NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 3)

Cubbies2120 · Post #1441 » by **Cubbies2120** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 1:13 pm

Jokic last 20 games in 33mpg:
23/13/11 on 68/50/83% shooting splits and an incredible 74% true shooting percent. He shoots 13 times a game in this span, and the team is 17-3 in that span and has outscored opponents by 183 in that span.

ag3 · Post #1442 » by **ag3** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 1:27 pm

Brunson is the mvp

Mickey8 · Post #1443 » by **Mickey8** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 1:35 pm

ag3 wrote:Brunson is the mvp

I would give to him before Giannis and Embiid that's for sure

csh 19792001 · Post #1444 » by **csh 19792001** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 1:45 pm

HotRocks34 wrote:

Read on Twitter

His defensive rating last night was indeed 96.4. Which is truly outstanding!!!

csh 19792001 · Post #1445 » by **csh 19792001** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 2:01 pm

Wolfgang630 wrote:Jokic might beat Wilt’s triple double record in a year (by a center)

Most Triple Doubles in a season by a Center:

1. Wilt (1967): 31
2. Jokic (2023): 25
3. Wilt (1967): 22
4. Jokic (2022): 19
5. Jokic (2021): 16
6. Jokic (2020): 13
7. Jokic (2019): 12
8. Jokic (2018): 10
9. Wilt (1966): 9
T9: Sabonis (2021): 9
10. Sabonis (2023): 7

Yes, assists were harder to get in the 60's because of different assist rules, but, Wilt did this in ~46 MPG, Jokic is doing it in 33-34 MPG.

And, of course, we don't have official blocks for Wilt's era, in total fairness. I once went through 136 game wrapups that had Wilt's blocks counted. He averaged 8.75 blocks per game, and eclipsed 10 blocks a game 53 times in those 136 games. (38.9%).

There's also this data:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tTIVEWsAP14/VkFK-IE7GHI/AAAAAAAAHSo/n_u04_ScpoQ/s0-Ic42/Wilt%252520blocked%252520shots.jpg

In this sample, it looks as if Wilt had 40 10+ block Triple Doubles in the 112 games listed. (35.7%).

Wilt played 1205 career games. If this data holds for his career, he'd have 400+ Triple Doubles with blocks counted!!!

CharityStripe34 · Post #1446 » by **CharityStripe34** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 2:11 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:Here’s the thing. I have no issues with guys propping up Giannis. He’s playing freakishly well and Milwaukee just isn’t losing.

My only thing is Jokic is just not doing anything to lose his lead. 18/18/10 on elite efficiency (scoring and facilitating) over the 2nd seed in the West.

This is where I'm at. I said it over a month ago and I'm sticking by it, that it's hard to proclaim an MVP 50-60% into a season. Especially when you have guys playing historically great basketball. It also makes the regular season compelling, especially if you're a fan of said players who are in the running.

HotRocks34 · Post #1447 » by **HotRocks34** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 2:28 pm

GeorgeSears wrote:The national Jokic-for-MVP discourse is getting borderline embarrassing. I just watched a clip of Richard Jefferson, who is actually a solid commentator imo, criticizing Jokic for not getting enough "hockey assists." The heart of the criticism is that Jokic is hogging assists from his teammates - the players on the floor are just there to receive assists from Jokic.

The great news is that there will be no more Nuggets games on ESPN for the rest of the regular season.

Jefferson called the game last night on ESPN.

HotRocks34 · Post #1448 » by **HotRocks34** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 2:31 pm

csh 19792001 wrote:
Wolfgang630 wrote:Jokic might beat Wilt’s triple double record in a year (by a center)

Most Triple Doubles in a season by a Center:

1. Wilt (1968): 31
2. Jokic (2023): 25
3. Wilt (1967): 22

Note: Wilt won MVP in both of the above seasons.

HotRocks34 · Post #1449 » by **HotRocks34** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 2:36 pm

Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce talk about the MVP race for the first 6 minutes of this video. Video made like a day ago.

Watch on YouTube

;t=177s

HotRocks34 · Post #1450 » by **HotRocks34** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 2:38 pm

If Giannis makes the comeback and wins the award, I'm ok with that. I'm a huge Giannis fan.

I think, for now, Jokic deserves the award but Giannis is coming on strong.

I can't see anyone else besides those two winning the award. At least not right now.

Magic Giannison · Post #1451 » by **Magic Giannison** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 4:09 pm

Not sure if this was posted before but this is hilarious

Read on Twitter

Magic Giannison · Post #1452 » by **Magic Giannison** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 4:28 pm

Heres one for defense

Read on Twitter

minimum 1000 minutes played.

Embiid 42nd and Jokic 46

Wolfgang630 · Post #1453 » by **Wolfgang630** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 4:54 pm

I remember last years game with Milwaukee in Philly. Giannis had the famous block on Embiid.

Exp0sed · Post #1454 » by **Exp0sed** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 5:09 pm

Magic Giannison wrote:Heres one for defense

Read on Twitter

minimum 1000 minutes played.

Embiid 42nd and Jokic 46

well, at least now the Embiid fanboys might be forced to recognize that Embiid isn't actually playing elite defense consistently

he does when he feels like it, is focused enough (seems like he has attention span issue, keeps dozing off a-la WB)
and isn't still lying on the ground from his latest offensive flop

that's why the 76ers keep losing tough games despite having incredible talent - Embiid is way too incosistent and takes alot of plays off on the defensive end this season (but never fails to find his focus when he's got the ball, imagine that

)

Mickey8 · Post #1455 » by **Mickey8** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 5:13 pm

Giannis is playing on the team that is loaded with the defensive minded players which helps him a lot, he has as many blocks as Jokic for the season average.

CharityStripe34 · Post #1456 » by **CharityStripe34** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 5:21 pm

Mickey8 wrote:Giannis is playing on the team that is loaded with the defensive minded players which helps him a lot, he has as many blocks as Jokic for the season average.

Is this implying that without Holiday or Lopez he wouldn't be as great a defender?

Magic Giannison · Post #1457 » by **Magic Giannison** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 5:21 pm

Mickey8 wrote:Giannis is playing on the team that is loaded with the defensive minded players which helps him a lot, he has as many blocks as Jokic for the season average.

Blocks? are we gonna do a Hassan Widesie discussion this year as well ?

Giannis is still #1 even without brook at the rim, in fact Giannis makes anyone he defends shooting worse on average by 7% ( anywhere on the court)

People shoot 16% against Giannis at the rim...

There is a reason why Bucks are way ahead in defense.

There are multiple individual metrics that showcases Giannis as the best defender in the league much less on the Bucks

I find it hilarious anyone trying to downplay Giannis defense when he has been elite anchor since 2016 at the age of 20

Mickey8 · Post #1458 » by **Mickey8** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 5:22 pm

Milwaukee defense wouldn't be good without all defensive pieces they have this season .

JayMKE · Post #1459 » by **JayMKE** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 5:26 pm

Mickey8 wrote:Milwaukee defense wouldn't be good without all defensive pieces they have this season .

If Giannis defended like Jokic it wouldn't work at all, the defensive anchor can't be a liability or you're just always going to be bad defensively. You can't hide the 5.

Post #1460 » by **Duke4life831** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 5:48 pm

CharityStripe34 wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:Giannis is playing on the team that is loaded with the defensive minded players which helps him a lot, he has as many blocks as Jokic for the season average.

Is this implying that without Holiday or Lopez he wouldn't be as great a defender?

Ya there is no way to cut it, Giannis is an elite defender. Just because Milwaukee has multiple elite defenders doesn’t take away the fact Giannis is still elite.

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