2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt. 1)

[ty 4191]

Not just in the running this season. They are the worst team of all time without Jokic.

This season has been hard to watch for new (as a new Nuggets fan).

That said, the 1965 Warriors without Wilt were actually worse.

[Bobbcats]

CP3 getting MVP would require a ton of buzz around that narrative starting a few months ago to override the fact he doesn't put up numbers. And if Reddit is anything to go by there is also the fact that majority of Suns fans don't think he's their MVP, they actually flipped out when he was 5th in MVP ladder taking that an insult to Booker

[Whopper_Sr]

Not just in the running this season. They are the worst team of all time without Jokic.

This season has been hard to watch for new (as a new Nuggets fan).

That said, the 1965 Warriors without Wilt were actually worse.

These Jokic-less Nuggets aren't the worst ever in terms of talent. There is just no structure to anything they try to run. Dribble, drive, kick out, repeat, then settle for a contested 2. They do not look like NBA players out there. Malone is to blame here too.

[DutchManDanFan]

Cp3 is good but he’s not in the mix his numbers are too inferior. Yes his team is on a roll and they are real contenders but he has no chance with Joel and Jokic putting up the numbers they have been.

The game is about winning games, not about numbers/stats. It's very difficult to compare different kind of players with high impact. You can look at stats as long as you want, but if one player leads his team to a lot more wins it gets to a point where you have to confirm the high value of the player. He doesn't need to have better stats to get his team to more wins. What he does is exactly what his team needs to get the best record in the league. By far.

[Infinite Llamas]

Can we please not mention Booker here again? Last two games he shoots 19-58 and his team STILL wins. His efficiency has fallen off of a cliff this year. CP3 is a top 5 in MVP for sure but Booker really doesn’t deserve that mention.

[Bobbcats]

Can we please not mention Booker here again? Last two games he shoots 19-58 and his team STILL wins. His efficiency has fallen off of a cliff this year. CP3 is a top 5 in MVP for sure but Booker really doesn’t deserve that mention.

2 games ago I don't think his efficiency was down, it's just a slump. Like Curry though he's still got the gravity . Neither are MVPs but Booker is really playing his role great, he does heavy lifting most of the game and contributes a lot more on defense this season while CP3 plays the most energy-conservative game style I've seen from any player for most of the game (so many possessions he doesn't even go down the court on offense), which has allowed him to stay healthy all year. He couldn't do that without a player who is able to score even when draped by defenders.

[eyeatoma]

Joel is coming for that MVP! Health withstanding, I don't think anything else will stop this freight train.

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[mediocrityrules]

Joel is coming for that MVP! Health withstanding, I don't think anything else will stop this freight train.

This would suggest that Jokic and Giannis all of a sudden just stop doing what they're doing, or also don't improve.

They're all 'freight trains' in my book.

[eyeatoma]

Joel is coming for that MVP! Health withstanding, I don't think anything else will stop this freight train.

This would suggest that Jokic and Giannis all of a sudden just stop doing what they're doing, or also don't improve.

They're all 'freight trains' in my book.

Yup agreed. If you listen to the full podcast they have them all as top scorers of the league and it's basically a toss up.

As far as the MVP because they're so close it'll come down to record.
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[AleksandarN]

Not just in the running this season. They are the worst team of all time without Jokic.

This season has been hard to watch for new (as a new Nuggets fan).

That said, the 1965 Warriors without Wilt were actually worse.

These Jokic-less Nuggets aren't the worst ever in terms of talent. There is just no structure to anything they try to run. Dribble, drive, kick out, repeat, then settle for a contested 2. They do not look like NBA players out there. Malone is to blame here too.

To show how bad they are. Look crazy

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[MrBigShot]

I think CP3 deserves to be in the conversation. The Suns are running away with the best record right now. What more does he have to do to win? I changed my vote.

1 CP3
2 Embiid
3 Giannis
4 Ja Morant
5/6 Jokic/Steph

CP3's not even remotely in the conversation for MVP. That's not a knock on him by any means. Jokic and Embiid are just having far better seasons while carrying an incredible amount of responsibility for their teams.

If CP3 went down, the Suns would suffer a bit but they'd stay afloat. The Sixers and Nuggets especially would sink like the titanic if either Jokic or Embiid went down. Pretty sure if either Embiid or Jokic had the supporting cast CP3 has their records would look a lot different.

[Ron Swanson]

Eh, is that roster worse than the 2005-06 Lakers sans Kobe?

Lamar Odom
Smush Parker
Kwame Brown
Chris Mihm
Devean George
Luke Walton
Sasha Vujacic

And miraculously, Kobe dragged that pathetic roster to 45-37 in at that time, a much tougher Western Conference (they actually had a 48-34 record based on point differential). Outside of Odom I'd take every single one of the Nuggets' next 6 rotation guys (Barton, Green, Gordon, Morris, Rivers, Campazzo) over anyone else on that Lakers roster.

Lot of hyperbole being thrown around and it's unneeded. Jokic has been the best individual player this year thus far, but if he's going to win the award and have the kind of comparisons to the ATG regular season peaks, I don't think it's too much to ask for him to lift that Nuggets squad to that 45-48 win range, especially considering they're probably gonna get Murray back sometime before the playoffs. He does that and maintain his current statistical profile, and I'd have no issue with him winning back-to-back.

[eyeatoma]

This season has been hard to watch for new (as a new Nuggets fan).

That said, the 1965 Warriors without Wilt were actually worse.

These Jokic-less Nuggets aren't the worst ever in terms of talent. There is just no structure to anything they try to run. Dribble, drive, kick out, repeat, then settle for a contested 2. They do not look like NBA players out there. Malone is to blame here too.

To show how bad they are. Look crazy

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Embiid's is quite similar haha.

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[MrBigShot]

Eh, is that roster worse than the 2005-06 Lakers sans Kobe?

Lamar Odom
Smush Parker
Kwame Brown
Chris Mihm
Devean George
Luke Walton
Sasha Vujacic

And miraculously, Kobe dragged that pathetic roster to 45-37 in at that time, a much tougher Western Conference (they actually had a 48-34 record based on point differential). Outside of Odom I'd take every single one of the Nuggets' next 6 rotation guys (Barton, Green, Gordon, Morris, Rivers, Campazzo) over anyone else on that Lakers roster.

Lot of hyperbole being thrown around and it's unneeded. Jokic has been the best individual player this year thus far, but if he's going to win the award and have the kind of comparisons to the ATG regular season peaks, I don't think it's too much to ask for him to lift that Nuggets squad to that 45-48 win range, especially considering they're probably gonna get Murray back sometime before the playoffs. He does that and maintain his current statistical profile, and I'd have no issue with him winning back-to-back.

I agree with you, the 2012 bobcats and 2016 sixers were easily worse as well. Stats might paint them out as worse than they are because they are overly reliant on Jokic so they have no clue what to do when he's not in the game, but I think he has enough to work with to secure a playoff spot.

[AleksandarN]

These Jokic-less Nuggets aren't the worst ever in terms of talent. There is just no structure to anything they try to run. Dribble, drive, kick out, repeat, then settle for a contested 2. They do not look like NBA players out there. Malone is to blame here too.

To show how bad they are. Look crazy

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Embiid's is quite similar haha.

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They should be mvps no one comes close than those two right now

[Genjuro]

These Jokic-less Nuggets aren't the worst ever in terms of talent. There is just no structure to anything they try to run. Dribble, drive, kick out, repeat, then settle for a contested 2. They do not look like NBA players out there. Malone is to blame here too.

To show how bad they are. Look crazy

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Embiid's is quite similar haha.

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[eyeatoma]

To show how bad they are. Look crazy

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Embiid's is quite similar haha.

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If Joker can get his team to a top 3 he could win again.

[Genjuro]

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If Joker can get his team to a top 3 he could win again.

He would most likely win, but we'll never know because it's impossible for the Nuggets to get there, let's get real. He still could make it without being a top-3 seed. As great as he's playing, I wouldn't bet on him right now anyway.

[eyeatoma]

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If Joker can get his team to a top 3 he could win again.

He would most likely win, but we'll never know because it's impossible for the Nuggets to get there, let's get real. He still could make it without being a top-3 seed. As great as he's playing, I wouldn't bet on him right now anyway.

I disagree, he is have an amazing season, but you're not getting an MVP for having your team barely over .500. Embiid and Giannis are having equally stunning seasons, although slightly less statistically significant and they have their teams in the running for top seed in the east.

[Hobo4President]

Why is it that homers when arguing for MVP always restrict their games? Average over the last 5 games - wait average over the last month. Oh wait, I know why.