2022-23 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.1)

[eyeatoma]

This...

Giannis recently lost, Boston had a few bad losses, and Nuggets just lost to the Lakers without AD.

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[Bob8]

I don’t think the Mavs have won a chip recently with Luka leading them have they? It’s disrespectful putting him in the Curry convo when he’s still aiming to even do what Harden did.

So now you need to be better in the past to earn MVP?

I'm 100% sure that Curry wouldn't have had any titles with roster Luka has.

[ty 4191]

I was hoping Jokic would try to reclaim the top spot with a win over the Lakers but he played poorly and the Nuggets got embarrassed.

In what world is 25 points, 11 rebounds, 8 assists, and 4 steals a poor game?

His teammates shot (and played) horrendously. It IS really unfortunate. But, it happens. It's perhaps the worst game I've seen Denver play in about a year.

[Purch]

Embiid Last night:

34 PTS
13 REB
4 Assist
4 Ast
2 Blks

Averaging over 38 PPG in December.

The sixers are up to (16-12). If they continue to move up in the standings behind dominant Joel outings.. he'll definitely be in my top 2-3

[eyeatoma]

Embiid Last night:

34 PTS
13 REB
6 Assist
4 STL

Averaging over 38 PPG in December.

The sixers are up to (16-12). If they continue to move up in the standings behind dominant Joel outings.. he'll definitely be in my top 2-3

4 assists, 4 steals, 2 blocks. 2 threes as well...

[Purch]

Embiid Last night:

34 PTS
13 REB
6 Assist
4 STL

Averaging over 38 PPG in December.

The sixers are up to (16-12). If they continue to move up in the standings behind dominant Joel outings.. he'll definitely be in my top 2-3

4 assists, 4 steals, 2 blocks. 2 threes as well...

Oh you're right, just edited for accuracy.

It weird though the only team I've ever been a fan of is the Utah Jazz. However, I find myself posting a lot of stuff this season about Embiid, just because people seem to be ignoring just how great he's been playing

[eyeatoma]

Embiid Last night:

34 PTS
13 REB
6 Assist
4 STL

Averaging over 38 PPG in December.

The sixers are up to (16-12). If they continue to move up in the standings behind dominant Joel outings.. he'll definitely be in my top 2-3

4 assists, 4 steals, 2 blocks. 2 threes as well...

Oh you're right, just edited for accuracy.

It weird though the only team I've ever been a fan of is the Utah Jazz. However, I find myself posting a lot of stuff this season about Embiid, just because people seem to be ignoring just how great he's been playing

This board has a weird inability to appreciate him, because they think he's a FT merchant.

[Cubbies2120]

4 assists, 4 steals, 2 blocks. 2 threes as well...

Oh you're right, just edited for accuracy.

It weird though the only team I've ever been a fan of is the Utah Jazz. However, I find myself posting a lot of stuff this season about Embiid, just because people seem to be ignoring just how great he's been playing

This board has a weird inability to appreciate him, because they think he's a FT merchant.

Two things can be true - he can be an incredible player while also being a FT merchant

Ironically IMO he'd be the most dominant scorer in the league if he put his mind to playing more physically and finishing through contact instead of exaggerating it to get to FT line. He's got the physical tools and can score in many ways, and every few games he shows it and dominates without the FT line.

He's been the best player in the month of December, hope stays healthy and I'm praying for a Nets/Sixers and Bucks/Celtics 2nd round for max entertainment value

[Cubbies2120]

I don’t think the Mavs have won a chip recently with Luka leading them have they? It’s disrespectful putting him in the Curry convo when he’s still aiming to even do what Harden did.

So now you need to be better in the past to earn MVP?

I'm 100% sure that Curry wouldn't have had any titles with roster Luka has.

Curry missed the playoffs w/o Klay, and the following year Klay's back and they win it all...

Turns out RANGSSSS ERNEH are heavily influenced by your supporting cast...who'da thunk it?!

[BoatsNZones]

I don’t think the Mavs have won a chip recently with Luka leading them have they? It’s disrespectful putting him in the Curry convo when he’s still aiming to even do what Harden did.

So now you need to be better in the past to earn MVP?

I'm 100% sure that Curry wouldn't have had any titles with roster Luka has.

Curry missed the playoffs w/o Klay, and the following year Klay's back and they win it all...

Turns out RANGSSSS ERNEH are heavily influenced by your supporting cast...who'da thunk it?!

Of course they are, but Klay in his current form is a terrible example. He was carried all season, and the Warriors were by far the best team in the league last year before he came back.

[itsxtray]

So now you need to be better in the past to earn MVP?

I'm 100% sure that Curry wouldn't have had any titles with roster Luka has.

Curry missed the playoffs w/o Klay, and the following year Klay's back and they win it all...

Turns out RANGSSSS ERNEH are heavily influenced by your supporting cast...who'da thunk it?!

Of course they are, but Klay in his current form is a terrible example. He was carried all season, and the Warriors were by far the best team in the league last year before he came back.

Yeah, the warriors were 29-9 with the 2nd best record in the nba before Klay came back. Not the best example.

[Exp0sed]

Oh you're right, just edited for accuracy.

It weird though the only team I've ever been a fan of is the Utah Jazz. However, I find myself posting a lot of stuff this season about Embiid, just because people seem to be ignoring just how great he's been playing

This board has a weird inability to appreciate him, because they think he's a FT merchant.

Two things can be true - he can be an incredible player while also being a FT merchant

Ironically IMO he'd be the most dominant scorer in the league if he put his mind to playing more physically and finishing through contact instead of exaggerating it to get to FT line. He's got the physical tools and can score in many ways, and every few games he shows it and dominates without the FT line.

He's been the best player in the month of December, hope stays healthy and I'm praying for a Nets/Sixers and Bucks/Celtics 2nd round for max entertainment value

it's not a "weird inability" lol, it's 100% tied to the flopping, foul baiting, flailing and falling on every play while endangering other players (and sometimes ending their career, rip Danny Green )

When ha Embiid shown he can be dominant without getting phantom calls and getting a dozen+ times to the line?

just for reference, this season Embiid has had 10 games when he got 10 or fewer FTA

7/8 vs the Lakers in an OT win
8/9 vs the Grizz in a loss
7/9 vs the Cavs in a bad loss
6/8 vs the Bucks in a win
8/0 vs the Hawks in a loss
6/9 vs Chiacho in a win
5/7 vs Tor in a loss
9/9 vs Indy in a win
2/3 vs the Bucks in a loss
7/9 vs the Celtics in a loss

The 76ers are 4-6 in those games and Embiis is averaging 25 ppg in these and that includes the highest scoring games (38) which was against the lakers in 46 mins

incidentally his lowerst scoring game of the season in that Bucks loss in which he attmpted a season low 3 FTA and shot 6-21 from the field for a season low of 15 pts

Embiid's scoring prowess (all the ridicilous per min comparisons with all time great scorers etc.) has always been tied to the foul baiting and prefferential treatment from the refs

he is an incredible scorer but he's not THAT good when you take away the ridicilous calls -he's "just" a great scorer, but not "best scorer ever" good (and not even close) which is precisely why he fails in the playoffs as well, when whistles tend to dry out

it'd actualy be great for him if refs stop rewarding him for his bs, cuz then he'd adjust and learn to play the proper way and then he'll be really good then he could play in finals and not just 1t rounds

[Exp0sed]

oops delete plz

[HoopsterJones]

Shoutout to Booker dropping 58 on 21/35 FG and 10/15 FT. (Could have gotten 60 if he didn’t miss so many FTs)

[eyeatoma]

This board has a weird inability to appreciate him, because they think he's a FT merchant.

Two things can be true - he can be an incredible player while also being a FT merchant

Ironically IMO he'd be the most dominant scorer in the league if he put his mind to playing more physically and finishing through contact instead of exaggerating it to get to FT line. He's got the physical tools and can score in many ways, and every few games he shows it and dominates without the FT line.

He's been the best player in the month of December, hope stays healthy and I'm praying for a Nets/Sixers and Bucks/Celtics 2nd round for max entertainment value

it's not a "weird inability" lol, it's 100% tied to the flopping, foul baiting, flailing and falling on every play while endangering other players (and sometimes ending their career, rip Danny Green )

When ha Embiid shown he can be dominant without getting phantom calls and getting a dozen+ times to the line?

just for reference, this season Embiid has had 10 games when he got 10 or fewer FTA

7/8 vs the Lakers in an OT win
8/9 vs the Grizz in a loss
7/9 vs the Cavs in a bad loss
6/8 vs the Bucks in a win
8/0 vs the Hawks in a loss
6/9 vs Chiacho in a win
5/7 vs Tor in a loss
9/9 vs Indy in a win
2/3 vs the Bucks in a loss
7/9 vs the Celtics in a loss

The 76ers are 4-6 in those games and Embiis is averaging 25 ppg in these and that includes the highest scoring games (38) which was against the lakers in 46 mins

incidentally his lowerst scoring game of the season in that Bucks loss in which he attmpted a season low 3 FTA and shot 6-21 from the field for a season low of 15 pts

Embiid's scoring prowess (all the ridicilous per min comparisons with all time great scorers etc.) has always been tied to the foul baiting and prefferential treatment from the refs

he is an incredible scorer but he's not THAT good when you take away the ridicilous calls -he's "just" a great scorer, but not "best scorer ever" good (and not even close) which is precisely why he fails in the playoffs as well, when whistles tend to dry out

it'd actualy be great for him if refs stop rewarding him for his bs, cuz then he'd adjust and learn to play the proper way and then he'll be really good then he could play in finals and not just 1t rounds

You have no idea what you're talking about. Embiid's FTA in the playoffs is quite similar to what he gets in the regular season.

[LFAHFN22]

@eyeatoma

You have no idea what you're talking about. Not that I have any argument for or against Embiid, but he shot nearly 3 fewer free throws per game during last year's playoffs than he did during the regular season.

[eyeatoma]

@eyeatoma

You have no idea what you're talking about. Not that I have any argument for or against Embiid, but he shot nearly 3 fewer free throws per game during last year's playoffs than he did during the regular season.

How about previous years.
Over his career Embiid has averaged 9.7 fta during the regular season.

During the playoffs? 9.3

The difference is basically insignificant.

So yes, I do know what I'm talking about.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/embiijo01.html

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[Phreak50]

If Giannis plays enough games he's a runaway winner.

Nearly top of the East with their second best player out all season till the last week.

There's no other player that dominates both ends of the floor and simultaneously puts fear into opponents, also on both ends.

[eyeatoma]

If Giannis plays enough games he's a runaway winner.

Nearly top of the East with their second best player out all season till the last week.

There's no other player that dominates both ends of the floor and simultaneously puts fear into opponents, also on both ends.

I find it curious you're saying that when he has been at his least efficient this year. He's missed games, fg percentage much lower than years past. 3 pt, ft percentage and blocks are all down.

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[Bob8]

If Giannis plays enough games he's a runaway winner.

Nearly top of the East with their second best player out all season till the last week.

There's no other player that dominates both ends of the floor and simultaneously puts fear into opponents, also on both ends.

He plays in pretty good team too, 4:1 without him.