76ers back to fining Ben Simmons

[kuclas]

Morey is an intelligent guy but he seems like a person who lacks the emotional intelligence to run the type of business the NBA is. If he really wanted to bring Simmons back, then he should have wrapped his arms around him after his disastrous playoff series and the comments from Doc and Embiid. You need to understand the temperament of your employees and having the media write hit pieces about how Simmons is coddled and hasn’t improved since his rookie season is not the way to smooth things over.

Agreed and I said this exact same thing months ago. Morey absolutely FAILED to diffuse the situation before the tailspin. After realizing that Simmons was sensitive to having his feelings hurt with comments made by Doc & Embiid, Morey should have been the mediator and gotten the 3 of them into a room to hash it out in private instead of public.

Assuming the 3 are reasonable men, this would've worked to at least stabilize the situation allowing Morey more time to make his next move - like maybe a trade. Without a public trade demand and sit out, and with a semi-cooperative Simmons, Morey would've had much more leverage to get the all star he so covets in a Simmons trade.

But it's too late now and the bonfire has turned into a wildfire and now the 2 of them are in a pissing contest.

Simmons will just keep rotting at home. That’s fine with most sixers fans like me. Only so much mental health excuses he can make. If he has to take a mental health retirement. That’s fine as well.

And I think most sixers fan will agree with me.

[dhsilv2]

Regardless, every person paid like Ben Simmons is pretty much agreed upon as better players than Simmons or agreed upon as overpaid.

Jamal Murray is neither better or really over paid either and he's paid the exact same amount lol. But I have no idea who you think is and isn't over paid. CJ is paid the same and simmons is better and imo they're both fairly paid. I don't recall too much hate on Jrue either for that matter.

There are 40 player making 28 or more this year. Being's extra 3 million is hardly some difference here.

$3M isn’t much more than $28M, but $10M more is which Simmons will make by the end of this contract as each year he makes much more. Again, $33-$38M over the next several years is a crazy amount for a guy who can’t and/or won’t shoot making him pretty inept at scoring, has significant leadership issues, and is willing to sit out countless games if he is unhappy.

Murray is currently not worth his contract. Nuggets fans are fine with it for the most part because he is young and they are hoping he becomes worth his contract, but he had a crazy bubble experience followed by people being generally disappointed with his follow up and then a serious injury.

CJ is widely accepted as overpaid. I don’t know a Blazers fan who is delusional enough to convince themselves otherwise.

Jrue is believed to be the top perimeter defender by several of the top perimeter scorers in the league, and he is able to do that without being inept as a jump shooter.

The thing that surprises me the most is that fans of these players can acknowledge contract concerns in relation to player flaws, but when it comes to Simmons who has had a bad attitude (enough that even Phili news outlets make fun of him and want him gone), refusal to play, he reportedly was a significant reason Butler left town, career of not demonstrating willingness to work on shooting, and a horrendous playoff performance, 76ers fans can’t accept how fans of other teams may see his contract as problematic.

I don't get why fans can't understand that everyone in the top 25 or hell 40 are under paid in the league...

[Nuntius]

The Sixers lost to a young, mediocre and inexperienced Hawks team in the second round. Now anything can happen, but chances are that it is going to take more than breaking Simmons into a couple lesser pieces that fit better to win the title.

1) Young and inexperienced, yes. Mediocre, no. The Hawks were a pretty good team and they proved that when they gave Milwaukee fits in the Conference Finals.

2) Simmons' adverse effects on Philly's offense were a big reason why the Sixers lost to the Hawks. Replace Simmons with a player who doesn't bring these adverse effects with him and the Sixers advance. There's no doubt in my mind that the Sixers would have made the ECF last year if they had any of the players rumored for them over this summer instead of Simmons.

What you describe is a star, at least if he is good at these things.
The players you mention, do not fit the criteria. They are average/ above average players who cant create or playmake against good\elite teams, which is what the Sixers need. Not one of these guys can be really trusted to run the offense and/or be the main perimeter threat deep in the playoffs, which is again what the Sixers care about. Simmons can also be a pretty good offensive player against bad/mediocre teams, thats not the point though.

The players I describe and the players I mention are the exact same thing. McCollum, Brogdon and FVV can all handle the ball under pressure, create their own shot and shoot from deep. OG lacks that kind of ball-handling but he's a very good and versatile defender so, he does fulfill 3 out of the 4 criteria that I set above. Siakam has a different playstyle, I'll grant you that, but he's also a bigger player (a forward) and he was an All-Star two years ago.

That's the level of player that the Sixers need, imo. And that's because the Sixers already have a mega-star in place with Embiid. They don't need a Batman. They already have that in Embiid. What they need is a Robin and that's what these players are. Simmons, on the other hand, frequently had the impact of The Joker on the offensive end. He did more harm than good when it mattered.

Breaking Simmons into pieces is not an all in move. There is a reason every team wants to consilidate their talent instead of breaking it into multiple pieces. The all in move for the Sixers is to package Simmons with some picks in order to get an upgrade and try to win in the next years. If they waste their only major trade asset (other than their picks) they will have to wait a couple of years to get some cap flexibility before they are able to even attempt to make a big move, literaly wasting Embiid's prime.

I agree that teams generally try to consolidate their talent. That is particularly true for teams without top end talent. The Sixers aren't quite that team, though. They have that top-end talent in Embiid.

Would it be great for the Sixers if they were to package Simmons with some picks in order to get a top 25 player? Yes, that would be amazing. That would definitely be the best case scenario for them. Sadly for them, though, this isn't happening. No one is going to give up a top 25 player for Simmons + picks. Simmons simply isn't worth as much.

The best that the Sixers can do right now is to trade Simmons for a player around his range (somewhere between top 50 and top 75) that fits their team better than Simmons does. A lateral move. A win-win. Morey had the chance for that kind of move and he said no. In my opinion, that was a mistake that's gonna cost the Sixers a run at a title.

50 to 75

Nice troll

I'm not trolling. His flaws on offense are so severe for his player-type that they significantly bring down his value. If he even had range out to 15 feet he'd be a top 30 player, for sure, but he sadly doesn't. He has Gobert's range and that won't fly for someone who handles the ball as much he does in the modern NBA.

[jbk1234]

Jamal Murray is neither better or really over paid either and he's paid the exact same amount lol. But I have no idea who you think is and isn't over paid. CJ is paid the same and simmons is better and imo they're both fairly paid. I don't recall too much hate on Jrue either for that matter.

There are 40 player making 28 or more this year. Being's extra 3 million is hardly some difference here.

$3M isn’t much more than $28M, but $10M more is which Simmons will make by the end of this contract as each year he makes much more. Again, $33-$38M over the next several years is a crazy amount for a guy who can’t and/or won’t shoot making him pretty inept at scoring, has significant leadership issues, and is willing to sit out countless games if he is unhappy.

Murray is currently not worth his contract. Nuggets fans are fine with it for the most part because he is young and they are hoping he becomes worth his contract, but he had a crazy bubble experience followed by people being generally disappointed with his follow up and then a serious injury.

CJ is widely accepted as overpaid. I don’t know a Blazers fan who is delusional enough to convince themselves otherwise.

Jrue is believed to be the top perimeter defender by several of the top perimeter scorers in the league, and he is able to do that without being inept as a jump shooter.

The thing that surprises me the most is that fans of these players can acknowledge contract concerns in relation to player flaws, but when it comes to Simmons who has had a bad attitude (enough that even Phili news outlets make fun of him and want him gone), refusal to play, he reportedly was a significant reason Butler left town, career of not demonstrating willingness to work on shooting, and a horrendous playoff performance, 76ers fans can’t accept how fans of other teams may see his contract as problematic.

I don't get why fans can't understand that everyone in the top 25 or hell 40 are under paid in the league...

Because they're not all underpaid. The top 5-10 are arguably underpaid (if they're not on a supermax) but the drop off is steep once you get outside of that.

[Nuntius]

The Hawks were (and are) mediocre,

Agree to disagree. The Hawks were pretty damn good which is why they performed similarly with last year's WC Champion, the Suns. The Suns were clearly one of the two best teams in the WC last year, coming 2nd in the RS and reaching the Finals, so if they performed similarly to them, they really cannot be as mediocre as you claim.

the Sixers just chocked, otherwise they should have beaten them handedly. My point though is that if you are losing to a team like the Hawks you need a major upgrade. It's not like they lost a tight series against the future champions, where tweaking the roster might have sufficed. They lost against a mediocre, inexperienced team in an embarassing loss.

Right and a big reason why the Sixers choked was Ben Simmons. The post-process 76ers have always struggled with closing out games and a huge reason why is because Simmons puts the team at a clear disadvantage on offense during those periods. The guy simply isn't a threat to score and that forces the team to play 4 vs 5. Replace that with a player who is a threat to score during those periods and the Sixers would have had a lot more post-season success.

Replacing Simmons with a player who is a threat to score late isn't just a small tweak. It's a necessary upgrade.

It's not about what they can do but at what level they can do it. I dont trust any of these players in the later playoff rounds. The Sixers, being built around a center, are also even more weak in terms of playmaking and perimeter creation and even Embiid himself has been shaky in the playoffs. It's not like the Sixers have Michael Jordan on the team and just need some good players to contend. An offense based on a center can be pretty limited in this era and this has been the case in all the recent playoff runs of the Sixers.

And I assert that the main thing that limits the Sixers in their playoff runs is Ben Simmons and the problems that he causes for his team's offense in the halfcourt, especially late in games when the pace slows down.

As for the "I don't trust them in later playoff rounds" the last few years have shown us that this argument doesn't hold much weight. Last year, we saw a 3rd-year Kevin Huerter win a game 7 for the Hawks. We saw Jrue Holiday, a very good player who has never been an All-Star and can be seen as being on a similar level with the players I mentioned, be one of the most crucial players for a title team. A year before that, in the bubble, we saw a then 2nd-year Tyler Herro be a key cog to a cinderella run by a Heat team that no one expected and made the Finals. So, no, don't give me that. Yes, star power is still important and will always be important but there's plenty of room for other players to show up in the playoffs and help put their team over the hump.

Your assumption (that the Sixers will not be able to get a star) may certainly be true but it is not shared by everyone, including the Sixers FO. Not because of their pride or ego but because they might see things differently and think that they have a reasonable chance to land a star.

That can definitely be true.

You basically take your opinion as a fact and then blame others (Morey in this case) for having a different view.

Not really. I never said that I hold the only truth or that others aren't entitled to their opinion. All I'm doing is stating my opinion. I can definitely be wrong and I never claimed otherwise. I'm not making any authoritative statements here.

[Nuntius]

Morey is an intelligent guy but he seems like a person who lacks the emotional intelligence to run the type of business the NBA is. If he really wanted to bring Simmons back, then he should have wrapped his arms around him after his disastrous playoff series and the comments from Doc and Embiid. You need to understand the temperament of your employees and having the media write hit pieces about how Simmons is coddled and hasn’t improved since his rookie season is not the way to smooth things over.

Agreed and I said this exact same thing months ago. Morey absolutely FAILED to diffuse the situation before the tailspin. After realizing that Simmons was sensitive to having his feelings hurt with comments made by Doc & Embiid, Morey should have been the mediator and gotten the 3 of them into a room to hash it out in private instead of public.

Assuming the 3 are reasonable men, this would've worked to at least stabilize the situation allowing Morey more time to make his next move - like maybe a trade. Without a public trade demand and sit out, and with a semi-cooperative Simmons, Morey would've had much more leverage to get the all star he so covets in a Simmons trade.

But it's too late now and the bonfire has turned into a wildfire and now the 2 of them are in a pissing contest.

Simmons will just keep rotting at home. That’s fine with most sixers fans like me. Only so much mental health excuses he can make. If he has to take a mental health retirement. That’s fine as well.

And I think most sixers fan will agree with me.

So, you prefer to punish a player who you believe has slighted you and let you down than trade him and get Embiid a chance at a title.

And then people wonder why I talk about spite and pride being leading factors on this fiasco

[dhsilv2]

$3M isn’t much more than $28M, but $10M more is which Simmons will make by the end of this contract as each year he makes much more. Again, $33-$38M over the next several years is a crazy amount for a guy who can’t and/or won’t shoot making him pretty inept at scoring, has significant leadership issues, and is willing to sit out countless games if he is unhappy.

Murray is currently not worth his contract. Nuggets fans are fine with it for the most part because he is young and they are hoping he becomes worth his contract, but he had a crazy bubble experience followed by people being generally disappointed with his follow up and then a serious injury.

CJ is widely accepted as overpaid. I don’t know a Blazers fan who is delusional enough to convince themselves otherwise.

Jrue is believed to be the top perimeter defender by several of the top perimeter scorers in the league, and he is able to do that without being inept as a jump shooter.

The thing that surprises me the most is that fans of these players can acknowledge contract concerns in relation to player flaws, but when it comes to Simmons who has had a bad attitude (enough that even Phili news outlets make fun of him and want him gone), refusal to play, he reportedly was a significant reason Butler left town, career of not demonstrating willingness to work on shooting, and a horrendous playoff performance, 76ers fans can’t accept how fans of other teams may see his contract as problematic.

I don't get why fans can't understand that everyone in the top 25 or hell 40 are under paid in the league...

Because they're not all underpaid. The top 5-10 are arguably underpaid (if they're not on a supermax) but the drop off is steep once you get outside of that.

Because the league min is something like 925k I suppose there's some truth here.

Just for fun and to see how far off I might be. Top 380 players in VORP last year I set to have a min salary at 925k. After 380 I set it to 150k as I don't know? But with 500+ guys playing last year, there's no way they all got even that so I'm likely stealing a lot of money from the active player's here.

I then spread out total salary by VORP which is as logical a way to do it as there is.

Simmons comes in worth about 30 million, almost on the dot, so I guess he's marginally over paid by a meaningless amount. That's clearly just one metric and a crude methodology, but I think it roughly does the job. This model shows 44 players are wroth about 28 million a year or more which is right around the initial max levels we see. 17 players should make over the 45 million or roughly what the super max is paying. Jokic, Curry, and Giannis are worth about 250 million combined lol

[dc]

So, you prefer to punish a player who you believe has slighted you and let you down than trade him and get Embiid a chance at a title.

And then people wonder why I talk about spite and pride being leading factors on this fiasco

Yeah, let's say you play this game of chicken or another 2 years just to "show him" you're down to play and that you'll come out of this on top. That's 2 years of Embiid's prime that are going to have a lesser chance at contending. With his health issues, you don't know exactly how long his prime is.....if he's still going to be playing at this level at age 30.

76ers should be looking for a solid move that gets them viable help over the next 2-3 years. Forget about this thing with 2 young prospects plus 4 future 1st rounders or whatever it is they're asking. Nobody is giving that up for a guy who's unplayable in the last 5 minutes of the game because he runs away from the ball.

I mean, I'll just assume Morey puts that up as a front/starting point for discussions and then just bargains a bit down from there, but so far there hasn't been any indication that anything's close to happening.

[Myth]

I don't get why fans can't understand that everyone in the top 25 or hell 40 are under paid in the league...

Because they're not all underpaid. The top 5-10 are arguably underpaid (if they're not on a supermax) but the drop off is steep once you get outside of that.

Because the league min is something like 925k I suppose there's some truth here.

Just for fun and to see how far off I might be. Top 380 players in VORP last year I set to have a min salary at 925k. After 380 I set it to 150k as I don't know? But with 500+ guys playing last year, there's no way they all got even that so I'm likely stealing a lot of money from the active player's here.

I then spread out total salary by VORP which is as logical a way to do it as there is.

Simmons comes in worth about 30 million, almost on the dot, so I guess he's marginally over paid by a meaningless amount. That's clearly just one metric and a crude methodology, but I think it roughly does the job. This model shows 44 players are wroth about 28 million a year or more which is right around the initial max levels we see. 17 players should make over the 45 million or roughly what the super max is paying. Jokic, Curry, and Giannis are worth about 250 million combined lol

Couldn’t help but notice your choice of player ranking (VORP) put Simmons at #38 and below CJ who is unanimously agreed upon as overpaid, and this is before considering issues of deciding not to play. So I guess I was wrong and CJ McCollum isn’t overpaid. Thanks for the info.

[kuclas]

Agreed and I said this exact same thing months ago. Morey absolutely FAILED to diffuse the situation before the tailspin. After realizing that Simmons was sensitive to having his feelings hurt with comments made by Doc & Embiid, Morey should have been the mediator and gotten the 3 of them into a room to hash it out in private instead of public.

Assuming the 3 are reasonable men, this would've worked to at least stabilize the situation allowing Morey more time to make his next move - like maybe a trade. Without a public trade demand and sit out, and with a semi-cooperative Simmons, Morey would've had much more leverage to get the all star he so covets in a Simmons trade.

But it's too late now and the bonfire has turned into a wildfire and now the 2 of them are in a pissing contest.

Simmons will just keep rotting at home. That’s fine with most sixers fans like me. Only so much mental health excuses he can make. If he has to take a mental health retirement. That’s fine as well.

And I think most sixers fan will agree with me.

So, you prefer to punish a player who you believe has slighted you and let you down than trade him and get Embiid a chance at a title.

And then people wonder why I talk about spite and pride being leading factors on this fiasco

Contract law. Simmons chose not
To report to sixers camp with 4 years remaining. Than acted like he didn’t want to be there. Than fake the back injury.

Tired of these nba players thinking they are above the law.

Hope they change cba and make contract like nfl. Even the reigning mvp of the nfl can’t pull a stunt like Simmons.

It comes down to money. He can’t fake his mental illness for duration of the contract. If it goes on for more than 12 months it qualifies for insurance payments.

[jbk1234]

I don't get why fans can't understand that everyone in the top 25 or hell 40 are under paid in the league...

Because they're not all underpaid. The top 5-10 are arguably underpaid (if they're not on a supermax) but the drop off is steep once you get outside of that.

Because the league min is something like 925k I suppose there's some truth here.

Just for fun and to see how far off I might be. Top 380 players in VORP last year I set to have a min salary at 925k. After 380 I set it to 150k as I don't know? But with 500+ guys playing last year, there's no way they all got even that so I'm likely stealing a lot of money from the active player's here.

I then spread out total salary by VORP which is as logical a way to do it as there is.

Simmons comes in worth about 30 million, almost on the dot, so I guess he's marginally over paid by a meaningless amount. That's clearly just one metric and a crude methodology, but I think it roughly does the job. This model shows 44 players are wroth about 28 million a year or more which is right around the initial max levels we see. 17 players should make over the 45 million or roughly what the super max is paying. Jokic, Curry, and Giannis are worth about 250 million combined lol

Then you get to another issue which is even if a player is worth his money according to the formula you laid out, is it a good idea to pay that player that money in terms of team building. Opinions on that are going to differ player to player and team to team. Those dollars can't be spent twice so there's a definite opportunity cost. Also, a player can be top 20 when he signs but fall off quite a bit over the course of the contract.

[Nuntius]

Simmons will just keep rotting at home. That’s fine with most sixers fans like me. Only so much mental health excuses he can make. If he has to take a mental health retirement. That’s fine as well.

And I think most sixers fan will agree with me.

So, you prefer to punish a player who you believe has slighted you and let you down than trade him and get Embiid a chance at a title.

And then people wonder why I talk about spite and pride being leading factors on this fiasco

Contract law. Simmons chose not
To report to sixers camp with 4 years remaining. Than acted like he didn’t want to be there. Than fake the back injury.

Tired of these nba players thinking they are above the law.

Hope they change cba and make contract like nfl. Even the reigning mvp of the nfl can’t pull a stunt like Simmons.

It comes down to money. He can’t fake his mental illness for duration of the contract. If it goes on for more than 12 months it qualifies for insurance payments.

So, you are more interested in preserving the owners' money than your team winning a title. Cool, I guess?

[Myth]

Rumour has it that Raps may had been willing to do a Fred Vanleet & OG for Ben Simmons with no picks.

FVV - is 50% on catch and shoot 3s on high volume. He's a really good shooter. And a really strong defender
Also averages 20 pts a game, and develop a mid-range (his biggest weakness)

OG is 40% on catch and shoot 3s, and one of the most versatile defender. Very strong defender.
And starting to build an iso game too. Averaging 19 pts a game.

Morey maybe able to get a Dame or Beal but i seriously would not count on it....the boat has sailed....

Do you think the Blazers are getting past the first round this year? They could easily be swept like the Heat where last post season. The idea that Dame or Beal has sailed makes no sense. The same thing with Beal, its a little bit more difficult with him since it would be a sign and trade.

I don't think the Blazers even make the playoffs, let alone get out of the first round.

Agreed, but I don’t think that makes Portland open to Simmons being the centerpiece of a trade for Lillard. Portland’s struggles have led to Portland being more willing to add more assets to a CJ/Simmons swap. Portland cares more about high character guys than the average team than others due to the Jail Blazers era, and this diva act is not a good look. You can sell the fans on making Lillard happy by adding Simmons, but they won’t be pleased with Simmons replacing Lillard as the face of the team.

[kuclas]

So, you prefer to punish a player who you believe has slighted you and let you down than trade him and get Embiid a chance at a title.

And then people wonder why I talk about spite and pride being leading factors on this fiasco

Contract law. Simmons chose not
To report to sixers camp with 4 years remaining. Than acted like he didn’t want to be there. Than fake the back injury.

Tired of these nba players thinking they are above the law.

Hope they change cba and make contract like nfl. Even the reigning mvp of the nfl can’t pull a stunt like Simmons.

It comes down to money. He can’t fake his mental illness for duration of the contract. If it goes on for more than 12 months it qualifies for insurance payments.

So, you are more interested in preserving the owners' money than your team winning a title. Cool, I guess?

I’m interested in preserving the integrity of contract law.

A player like Simmons signs a 5 year super max contract is obligated to play for that team. Whoever owned their rights.

It’s not like he’s on a minimum salary contract and underpaid.

Players like Leonard and Davis and even butler have more leverage when they are in their walk year acting up. Even at 2 years with harden. But Simmons has zero leverage.

He doesn’t even want to show his face.

And yes. If the difference between getting role players thar still get sixers booted in the second round Vs letting Simmons rot. I choose to let Simmons rot. He’s being fined left and right. May show up for some
Therapy sessions once money is running low. But the dude sends a ton.

I guess he can choose to go to therapy for another 9 months. Once it gets to 12 months all bets are off with regards to sixers filing medical disability claims on behalf of Simmons. There is only so much of this side show he can continue.

[kuclas]

Do you think the Blazers are getting past the first round this year? They could easily be swept like the Heat where last post season. The idea that Dame or Beal has sailed makes no sense. The same thing with Beal, its a little bit more difficult with him since it would be a sign and trade.

I don't think the Blazers even make the playoffs, let alone get out of the first round.

Agreed, but I don’t think that makes Portland open to Simmons being the centerpiece of a trade for Lillard. Portland’s struggles have led to Portland being more willing to add more assets to a CJ/Simmons swap. Portland cares more about high character guys than the average team than others due to the Jail Blazers era, and this diva act is not a good look. You can sell the fans on making Lillard happy by adding Simmons, but they won’t be pleased with Simmons replacing Lillard as the face of the team.

Portland fans won’t be happy with any trade. Even if a team like timberwolves trades 4 numbers 1 picks and pick swaps. And role players like Dlo/beasley and say a young guy like mcdaniels. They will still want Ant Edwards on top of that.

That’s just not gonna to happen.

But Dame has got a shorter lifespan being a smaller guard. Portland has about 1/2 season to try to get max value for dame.

[ProcessDoctor]

Do you think the Blazers are getting past the first round this year? They could easily be swept like the Heat where last post season. The idea that Dame or Beal has sailed makes no sense. The same thing with Beal, its a little bit more difficult with him since it would be a sign and trade.

I don't think the Blazers even make the playoffs, let alone get out of the first round.

Agreed, but I don’t think that makes Portland open to Simmons being the centerpiece of a trade for Lillard. Portland’s struggles have led to Portland being more willing to add more assets to a CJ/Simmons swap. Portland cares more about high character guys than the average team than others due to the Jail Blazers era, and this diva act is not a good look. You can sell the fans on making Lillard happy by adding Simmons, but they won’t be pleased with Simmons replacing Lillard as the face of the team.

I don’t know if there’s any report or evidence to support that they’ve been willing to add more to CJ in a Simmons trade. Even then, the problems are that 1) CJ isn’t a good enough piece to let Simmons go for, and 2) Morey wouldn’t make a trade to keep Lillard more content in Portland.

Edit: I agree that Simmons wouldnt be able to replace Dame as the face of that franchise.

[Myth]

I don't think the Blazers even make the playoffs, let alone get out of the first round.

Agreed, but I don’t think that makes Portland open to Simmons being the centerpiece of a trade for Lillard. Portland’s struggles have led to Portland being more willing to add more assets to a CJ/Simmons swap. Portland cares more about high character guys than the average team than others due to the Jail Blazers era, and this diva act is not a good look. You can sell the fans on making Lillard happy by adding Simmons, but they won’t be pleased with Simmons replacing Lillard as the face of the team.

Portland fans won’t be happy with any trade. Even if a team like timberwolves trades 4 numbers 1 picks and pick swaps. And role players like Dlo/beasley and say a young guy like mcdaniels. They will still want Ant Edwards on top of that.

That’s just not gonna to happen.

But Dame has got a shorter lifespan being a smaller guard. Portland has about 1/2 season to try to get max value for dame.

I would be happier with that because Minny’s picks are likely to be better.

[Tomjas]

lol at “preserving the integrity of contract law”

The Simmons kicked my dog crew get weirder by the day

[thelead]

So… what’s going on with this situation? Who’s going to blink first?

[Nuntius]

And yes. If the difference between getting role players thar still get sixers booted in the second round Vs letting Simmons rot. I choose to let Simmons rot.

Is that the difference, though? Or have you simply convinced yourself that this is the difference because you're pissed at the guy?

And I get being pissed at Simmons. You're a Sixers fan so the stance makes sense. I just don't see why you're fine with your team wasting Embiid's prime in order to win this pissing contest.