NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (continued)

[Hobo4President]

I swapped to Shai being my preferred MVP a week ago when Embiid continued to miss a bunch of games. This is looking like it'll come down to games played.

Games played will be fine IMO, it'll be record, and who they beat in the last month. If Embiid can do what he did last year where he beat a bunch of a good teams, then it'll be his. If SGA can do it, and Embiid loses to a few, it'll be SGA.

Yeah who the voters choose is probably going to be determined by record and seeding but I was saying who I personally believe the MVP should be. If they continue to both play as they have for the rest of the season and Embiid and Shai both miss a game here and there I'd probably think Embiid should be MVP, however if Embiid gets another injury or rests too many games I'd think it should be Shai who should win.

[eyeatoma]

I swapped to Shai being my preferred MVP a week ago when Embiid continued to miss a bunch of games. This is looking like it'll come down to games played.

Games played will be fine IMO, it'll be record, and who they beat in the last month. If Embiid can do what he did last year where he beat a bunch of a good teams, then it'll be his. If SGA can do it, and Embiid loses to a few, it'll be SGA.

Yeah who the voters choose is probably going to be determined by record and seeding but I was saying who I personally believe the MVP should be. If they continue to both play as they have for the rest of the season and Embiid and Shai both miss a game here and there I'd probably think Embiid should be MVP, however if Embiid gets another injury or rests too many games I'd think it should be Shai who should win.

Yup agreed.

[LordCovington33]

The voters also seem to be prisoners of the moment, to some degree. Whoever has a massive final month will be looked upon favourably too.

[dygaction]

SGA/Embiid

Jokic/Giannis
Luka

If Embiid did not win it last year, it would be Embiid/SGA

[dygaction]

I swapped to Shai being my preferred MVP a week ago when Embiid continued to miss a bunch of games. This is looking like it'll come down to games played.

Games played will be fine IMO, it'll be record, and who they beat in the last month. If Embiid can do what he did last year where he beat a bunch of a good teams, then it'll be his. If SGA can do it, and Embiid loses to a few, it'll be SGA.

It would have to be games won when players played instead of counting teams win while players rested/injured. Currently SGA is 2 games ahead and he is not under b2b pressure/scrutiny.

[eyeatoma]

I swapped to Shai being my preferred MVP a week ago when Embiid continued to miss a bunch of games. This is looking like it'll come down to games played.

Games played will be fine IMO, it'll be record, and who they beat in the last month. If Embiid can do what he did last year where he beat a bunch of a good teams, then it'll be his. If SGA can do it, and Embiid loses to a few, it'll be SGA.

It would have to be games won when players played instead of counting teams win while players rested/injured. Currently SGA is 2 games ahead and he is not under b2b pressure/scrutiny.

The voters have not scrutinized it. Only you guys have as per evidence of the straw poll.

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[Hussien Fatal]

I swapped to Shai being my preferred MVP a week ago when Embiid continued to miss a bunch of games. This is looking like it'll come down to games played.

Games played will be fine IMO, it'll be record, and who they beat in the last month. If Embiid can do what he did last year where he beat a bunch of a good teams, then it'll be his. If SGA can do it, and Embiid loses to a few, it'll be SGA.

It would have to be games won when players played instead of counting teams win while players rested/injured. Currently SGA is 2 games ahead and he is not under b2b pressure/scrutiny.

Well if you want to play it like that, I can play it like this

SGA in games played Thunders record: 23-8 74.2 win%

Joel in games played Sixers record: 21-5 80.7 win%

Embiid’s record would be the best record in the league surpassing the Celtics win% of 78%

[dygaction]

Games played will be fine IMO, it'll be record, and who they beat in the last month. If Embiid can do what he did last year where he beat a bunch of a good teams, then it'll be his. If SGA can do it, and Embiid loses to a few, it'll be SGA.

It would have to be games won when players played instead of counting teams win while players rested/injured. Currently SGA is 2 games ahead and he is not under b2b pressure/scrutiny.

Well if you want to play it like that, I can play it like this

SGA in games played Thunders record: 23-8 74.2 win%

Joel in games played Sixers record: 21-5 80.7 win%

Embiid’s record would be the best record in the league surpassing the Celtics win% of 78%

Maxi Kleber has a 80% of winning rate, higher than SGA as well, comparable to Embiid.
Why an MVP player needs to take credit for games they did not play in, instead of actually being accountable for hurting their team by taking away a max player? In a team win, it was the team win albeit an MVP candidate's inability to play; In a team loss, it was the player hurting their chance to win.

[eyeatoma]

Mental hoops... Never get tired of them. Best part, the voters don't care about it one bit.

[dygaction]

Mental hoops... Never get tired of them. Best part, the voters don't care about it one bit.

Remember how Jokic won MVP as #6 seed over Embiid? Voters knew he won more games (46 vs. Embiid 45) albeit had much worse support. Spinners can enjoy more winning when their favorable players rest and team win, or claim winning when the team loss to highlight the "mvp". Both are wrong. The max player provided cap space hold and negative values during those win or loss.

[eyeatoma]

Mental hoops... Never get tired of them. Best part, the voters don't care about it one bit.

Remember how Jokic won MVP as #6 seed over Embiid? Voters knew he won more games (46 vs. Embiid 45) albeit had much worse support. Spinners can enjoy more winning when their favorable players rest and team win, or claim winning when the team loss to highlight the "mvp". Both are wrong. The max player provided cap space hold and negative values during those win or loss.

They didn't give a **** about the games played. They gave it to him because he dragged a lottery team to the playoffs. Although Embiid had great stats too, and they had a better record.

You really think 1 more game won, is going to swing an MVP vote lol.

Weird hill to die on.

[GrandTheftRondo]

SGA keeps this up and he may well have a very serious case.

[Hussien Fatal]

It would have to be games won when players played instead of counting teams win while players rested/injured. Currently SGA is 2 games ahead and he is not under b2b pressure/scrutiny.

Well if you want to play it like that, I can play it like this

SGA in games played Thunders record: 23-8 74.2 win%

Joel in games played Sixers record: 21-5 80.7 win%

Embiid’s record would be the best record in the league surpassing the Celtics win% of 78%

Maxi Kleber has a 80% of winning rate, higher than SGA as well, comparable to Embiid.
Why an MVP player needs to take credit for games they did not play in, instead of actually being accountable for hurting their team by taking away a max player? In a team win, it was the team win albeit an MVP candidate's inability to play; In a team loss, it was the player hurting their chance to win.

What are you talking about? I never once gave anybody credit for games they didn’t play, in fact if you could read I did the exact opposite of that by posting their teams record ONLY when they play. And stop please, Embiid is not max kleber please don’t act like he contributes to wins like Embiid does.

The Sixers are a top team when Embiid plays bottom line. And the same could be said for SGA. But not quite on the same level as Embiid has a higher win% than SGA’s in games that they play.

[dygaction]

Mental hoops... Never get tired of them. Best part, the voters don't care about it one bit.

Remember how Jokic won MVP as #6 seed over Embiid? Voters knew he won more games (46 vs. Embiid 45) albeit had much worse support. Spinners can enjoy more winning when their favorable players rest and team win, or claim winning when the team loss to highlight the "mvp". Both are wrong. The max player provided cap space hold and negative values during those win or loss.

They didn't give a **** about the games played. They gave it to him because he dragged a lottery team to the playoffs. Although Embiid had great stats too, and they had a better record.

You really think 1 more game won, is going to swing an MVP vote lol.

Weird hill to die on.

They (76ers) had a better record, Embiid did not, so there really was no case to be made.
Last year Jokic had 48 win, Embiid had 43 win. That's why so many people thought it was a robbery. At least you need to understand where people are coming from.

[eyeatoma]

Remember how Jokic won MVP as #6 seed over Embiid? Voters knew he won more games (46 vs. Embiid 45) albeit had much worse support. Spinners can enjoy more winning when their favorable players rest and team win, or claim winning when the team loss to highlight the "mvp". Both are wrong. The max player provided cap space hold and negative values during those win or loss.

They didn't give a **** about the games played. They gave it to him because he dragged a lottery team to the playoffs. Although Embiid had great stats too, and they had a better record.

You really think 1 more game won, is going to swing an MVP vote lol.

Weird hill to die on.

They (76ers) had a better record, Embiid did not, so there really was no case to be made.
Last year Jokic had 48 win, Embiid had 43 win. That's why so many people thought it was a robbery. At least you need to understand where people are coming from.

You can only play the games you are able to play. Embiid missed time. No, people thought that it was a robbery because he averaged a near triple double. Embiid didn't take time off the last month and Jokic did. It's a narrative award, obviously stats matter, and sure wins matter, but when it's neck and neck in everything else, and one is trying his hardest and the other is coasting it's not very hard to see why Embiid won. Also to claim a robbery would make it seem like the vote was close. It wasn't, Embiid won by a landslide. You keep harping about this stuff, but if it truly mattered, the voters would have accounted for it more, but that vote shows they didn't.

In the end Embiid played 66 games, Joker 69 (lol). It's not that deep, and that is not a huge disparity.

This is seriously nitpicking to the highest level.

[mediocrityrules]

SGA keeps this up and he may well have a very serious case.

There's no 'may' about it. He's moving to the top of many people's lists right now.

[Hussien Fatal]

SGA keeps this up and he may well have a very serious case.

He is definitely a top 2 candidate atm and I expect him to play at this level all season long, but it’s going to be really hard for him to win it with the way Embiid is playing. Embiid has a ridiculous PER of 35.0 while averaging more points than minutes.

SGA has been playing so damn good but the fact of the matter is Embiid has been a fair bit better so it’s going to be really hard to justify giving SGA the award with Embiid playing like this.

[GrandTheftRondo]

SGA keeps this up and he may well have a very serious case.

He is definitely a top 2 candidate atm and I expect him to play at this level all season long, but it’s going to be really hard for him to win it with the way Embiid is playing. Embiid has a ridiculous PER of 35.0 while averaging more points than minutes.

SGA has been playing so damn good but the fact of the matter is Embiid has been a fair bit better so it’s going to be really hard to justify giving SGA the award with Embiid playing like this.

The worry with Embiid is that he picks up a random injury.

He’s already missed 7.

[CobraCommander]

SGA/Embiid

Jokic/Giannis
Luka

If Embiid did not win it last year, it would be Embiid/SGA

I agree with this - today

Mvp is about the moment

SGA and OKC winning against Minny, Denver (twice), Clippers and Boston in the last 10 games...SGA gets a Ton of credit for it

[dygaction]

They didn't give a **** about the games played. They gave it to him because he dragged a lottery team to the playoffs. Although Embiid had great stats too, and they had a better record.

You really think 1 more game won, is going to swing an MVP vote lol.

Weird hill to die on.

They (76ers) had a better record, Embiid did not, so there really was no case to be made.
Last year Jokic had 48 win, Embiid had 43 win. That's why so many people thought it was a robbery. At least you need to understand where people are coming from.

You can only play the games you are able to play. Embiid missed time. No, people thought that it was a robbery because he averaged a near triple double. Embiid didn't take time off the last month and Jokic did. It's a narrative award, obviously stats matter, and sure wins matter, but when it's neck and neck in everything else, and one is trying his hardest and the other is coasting it's not very hard to see why Embiid won. Also to claim a robbery would make it seem like the vote was close. It wasn't, Embiid won by a landslide. You keep harping about this stuff, but if it truly mattered, the voters would have accounted for it more, but that vote shows they didn't.

In the end Embiid played 66 games, Joker 69 (lol). It's not that deep, and that is not a huge disparity.

This is seriously nitpicking to the highest level.

Then in the end, Jokic was 48w-21l and Embiid was 43w/23l. Not only Jokic won more but also at higher winning rate. The reason Jokic did not win was because the 3x MVP should not be given until winning a championship, as you have always championed, as well as Perk's racial campaign.

Think this way, if winning rate is so important, all MVP candidates will skip b2b strong team to benefit the individual but hurt the team.