2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread

K_chile22 · Post #1521 » by **K_chile22** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:04 am

bondom34 wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:They still stink when he's not on court. Houston functions when Harden sits. OKC does not. No bus required.

OKC doesn't really stagger Adams and Westbrook at all, so it's not really true for him at all.

It's also not like OKC has an awesome offensive rating with Russ on the floor. If he maintained his in court rating for a whole game they would be 8th in offensive rating.

Having Samaj setting those guys up instead of a competent backup point guard shouldn't be a plus for Russ either, should be a minus for Presti

It is only because Payne has been injured the entire year. And these guys have played w/o Russ. Adams played 62 minutes with a TS of 50.

~5% of his playing time doesn't really have much statistical significance. He plays almost entirely with Russ. Bigs are also guard dependent so playing off non NBA players will do that. If the Thunder had someone like DJ Augustine, Russ on off stuff wouldn't be as huge

Post #1522 » by **bondom34** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:10 am

K_chile22 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:Adams and Kanter also help in different ways. Setting good screens and gobbling offensive rebounds helps have a good offense. Shooting isn't the only offensive skill that helps.

And yet, when Russ isn't on it doesn't matter. Harden sits and Houston's offense runs just fine.

Because the players coming in for him are competent. Don't know why better roster construction should be held against him, and poor roster construction should help Russ.

Because elevating your team matters in being valuable.

Post #1523 » by **bondom34** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:13 am

K_chile22 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:OKC doesn't really stagger Adams and Westbrook at all, so it's not really true for him at all.

It's also not like OKC has an awesome offensive rating with Russ on the floor. If he maintained his in court rating for a whole game they would be 8th in offensive rating.

Having Samaj setting those guys up instead of a competent backup point guard shouldn't be a plus for Russ either, should be a minus for Presti

It is only because Payne has been injured the entire year. And these guys have played w/o Russ. Adams played 62 minutes with a TS of 50.

~5% of his playing time doesn't really have much statistical significance. He plays almost entirely with Russ. Bigs are also guard dependent so playing off non NBA players will do that. If the Thunder had someone like DJ Augustine, Russ on off stuff wouldn't be as huge

And yet, his adjusted plus/minus goes against this idea as well.

K_chile22 · Post #1524 » by **K_chile22** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:17 am

bondom34 wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:It is only because Payne has been injured the entire year. And these guys have played w/o Russ. Adams played 62 minutes with a TS of 50.

~5% of his playing time doesn't really have much statistical significance. He plays almost entirely with Russ. Bigs are also guard dependent so playing off non NBA players will do that. If the Thunder had someone like DJ Augustine, Russ on off stuff wouldn't be as huge

And yet, his adjusted plus/minus goes against this idea as well.

How so? I'm talking about his on off stuff not his +/-
Of course his PM stuff is good, he's awesome

Post #1525 » by **bondom34** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:18 am

K_chile22 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:~5% of his playing time doesn't really have much statistical significance. He plays almost entirely with Russ. Bigs are also guard dependent so playing off non NBA players will do that. If the Thunder had someone like DJ Augustine, Russ on off stuff wouldn't be as huge

And yet, his adjusted plus/minus goes against this idea as well.

How so? I'm talking about his on off stuff not his +/-

You could use either, and both show they're at worst similar and at best Westbrook ahead overall.

K_chile22 · Post #1526 » by **K_chile22** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:21 am

bondom34 wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:And yet, his adjusted plus/minus goes against this idea as well.

How so? I'm talking about his on off stuff not his +/-

You could use either, and both show they're at worst similar and at best Westbrook ahead overall.

I think you're not understanding my point, may be my fault, I'm saying Russ insane on off stuff is so much better than Harden's because of who is coming in. I'm not saying Harden is definitely better, but that that number is skewed in Westbrooks favor

Post #1527 » by **bondom34** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:22 am

K_chile22 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:How so? I'm talking about his on off stuff not his +/-

You could use either, and both show they're at worst similar and at best Westbrook ahead overall.

I think you're not understanding my point, may be my fault, I'm saying Russ insane on off stuff is so much better than Harden's because of who is coming in. I'm not saying Harden is definitely better, but that that number is skewed in Westbrooks favor

Oh, well in that case this is easy, I totally agree. I expect it lowers w/ Payne back.

Goodfellaz · Post #1528 » by **Goodfellaz** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:19 am

Harden - back to back 40 point triple doubles... record now 31-9.... cleveland after tonight 28-9.... and people have the nerve to say lebron is the mvp.... oh god.

yicb · Post #1529 » by **yicb** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:21 am

with no Gordon and Capela either

menace2society · Post #1530 » by **menace2society** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:22 am

40 15 10 for Harden and another win. Every day I expect Hou to go on a cold losing streak and it never happens. Just an amazing start for them this year.

Clear frontrunner for MVP right now

Sgt P · Post #1531 » by **Sgt P** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:37 am

I have to give Harden his due. Never saw this coming from him. Hats off to you sir. As of now its a 2 man race between Russ and Harden. Seems like the best baller was not KD out those three. Harden and Russ just dominate really looking towards Western playoffs. Amazing season so far, just not the home team

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Hero · Post #1532 » by **Hero** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:53 am

Harden in the driving seat once he can maintain a top 3-4 record.

Pretty impressive stuff.

red96 · Post #1533 » by **red96** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:58 am

Harden now has the Rockets tied for #2 in the West. If the Cavs lose to Utah, they'll be ahead of them by a game and a half.
Edit: Nvm. They'll still be behind the Spurs percentage wise.

XPeak · Post #1534 » by **XPeak** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:02 am

What's the percentage of LeBron still winning this thing?

Harden's just been a beast. If they do fall off the cliff after the All-Star Break, I think LeBron will still have a realistic shot. I don't see the Thunder being relevant enough (meaning Top 2) as the NBA MVP has always been the Best Player on the Best Team Award.

red96 · Post #1535 » by **red96** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:30 am

The Rockets pull ahead of the Cavs.

Gil · Post #1536 » by **Gil** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:53 am

red96 wrote:The Rockets pull ahead of the Cavs.

That's actually pretty sad. :lol:

K_chile22 · Post #1537 » by **K_chile22** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:04 am

red96 wrote:The Rockets pull ahead of the Cavs.

As long as this holds there really shouldn't be any LeBron for MVP malarkey

Gibson22 · Post #1538 » by **Gibson22** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:27 am

Ok, now. Harden, 1000 miles away rw and lebron

Post #1539 » by **QRich3** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:48 am

Just finished watching the Hornets game. Wow, just wow, I keep thinking Harden, and the Rockets as a whole, will eventually come back to earth, but it just doesn't happen. He is having an amazing season, even by the unreal standards he set at the start of the season.

nbafan38 · Post #1540 » by **nbafan38** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:43 pm

Gil wrote:
red96 wrote:The Rockets pull ahead of the Cavs.

That's actually pretty sad.

The Cavs dont care about the regular season but honestly they should a little more because they aren't that far behind GSW and homecourt in the finals is huge.