levon wrote:Exp0sed wrote:MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
so the Bucks need to really dominate and be head and shoulders ahead of the league for Giannis to really have a case, it's just the way it is and the way it's always been
If this year's version of Dame disqualifies Giannis, then Booker should disqualify KD and vice versa and Maxey should disqualify Embiid. It's always been a dumb argument but if we're going to apply it to this dumb award, let's apply it consistently. Q-rating shouldn't be part of on/off metrics.
I didn't say it "disqualifies" Giannis, I said he and the Bucks really need to dominate, above and beyond his competitors teams, for him to be in serious MVP contention
Idk if it's a dumb argument or not (there is some logic to te argument) I just argued that it's always been like this
also "this version of Dame" is kind of disingenious, yes he's shooting just 33% from 3 (that was before the 5-7 from tonight) and we all know he'll be back to his regular averages soon, one of the best 3 point shooters in history didn't just suddenly forget how to shoot at 33, right?
so imagine his %'s creeping back to the mean, he'll be averaging 30\7\5, what "version" of Dame is that? the regular top 10 player version?
as for Booker and Maxey - ur right
Booker is a top 10 player as well, the only reason KD is in the convo is because Booker missed half of the games so far and KD was holding the fort on his own and doing a great job at it. in an alternate universe where KD, Booker and Beal were all playing, even if the Suns had the best record - KD wouldn't have won MVP
we can quibble if that's th right way to go about it, you called it a "dumb argument" so ur position is known I was just pointing out that that's the way it goes, dumb or not.
as for Maxey, yes, he's been playing like an All-NBA player and if he continues like this - it would hurt Embiid's case as well. realistically it would hurt him less, because Maxey is young and doesn't have the national profile of stars like Dame and Book
again, that's how it is not nessescarily the way it should be
to me, Embiid doesn't have a case at all so it isn't relevant. the man is ducking the tough games, intentionally, to inflate his stats and conserve his energy. you can't compare stats and perfomance between players that show up, play the tough back to back, 4 in 5's and grind their bodies and minds to a guy who sits out the tough games and then shows up (after resting) to blast juggernauts like the Wizards and Pistons to smitherins
he's been doing it for years too. that table of how many games he played in Philly vs away from Philly against the top Centers in the past couple of years well...that table alone disqualifies him
here's a tally of splits for most of his career (regardless of SOS)
Embiid this season: 10 home games 6 away
Embiid 2022: 36 home \ 30 away
2020: 29 home \ 22 away
2019: 28 \ 23
2018: 35 \ 29
2017: 34 \ 29
2016: 22 \ 9 (!)
Last I checked, NBA teams play an even number of home and away games in a season
it's not just the home\away discrepency it's also the cherry picking of games according to the strength of the opposition and he also does it while being able to allocate his energy differently throughout the season, when he knows he'll only need to play about 65 games per season with plenty of rest in between (and sit out the toughest matchcups, to boot). can't compare that to guys like Jokic, Giannis who play the vast majority of games and are rarely load-managed intentionally and when they are, it's rarely against the top competiton.
it's easy to go hard and inflate stats vs. tanking teams when you know you'll have the rest of the week off when ur team faces a top opponent away from their home floor. that's no "MVP".
so that - disqualifies him. can't use stats as comparison when he's playing a different field in more favorable conditions on a regular basis.
