Woj/Shams: Ime Udoka Suspended for 2022-23 Season - Inappropriate Relationship, Conduct Violations

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Re: Woj/Shams: Ime Udoka Suspended for 2022-23 Season - Inappropriate Relationship, Conduct Violations 

Post#1541 » by Ben-N1ce » Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:42 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:I don't understand anything. I don't know why anyone cares who someone sleeps with. I understand the C's have to pretend they care, for legal reasons, that's about it.

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People date even get married from meeting at the workplace. If you don't understand that there is much more to that in this situation I'm not sure what to tell you except use common sense.

Surely the Celtics were like..
" I know we just got to the finals but I think suspending Ime for the whole year on a minor infraction is the best course of action for the franchise and a great look for the brand "
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Re: Woj/Shams: Ime Udoka Suspended for 2022-23 Season - Inappropriate Relationship, Conduct Violations 

Post#1542 » by HollowEarth » Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:00 pm

HotRocks34 wrote:
Read on Twitter


Another Celtics staffer says it wasn't her.

'Seeing uninvolved people's names thrown around in the media, including mine, with such carelessness is disgusting. This is a step backwards for women in sports who have worked hard to prove themselves in an industry they deserve to be in.'

Alongside the post, she added: 'It's time to speak up on this matter and to my female coworkers, I see you and I am always here #womeninsports.'

On that note, someone should scrub the posts earlier in this thread where people were playing internet detective and posting the names/photos/positions of various employees.
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Post#1543 » by DrCoach » Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:49 pm

Matt Barnes dropped support of Udoka and said its BAD.
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Post#1544 » by Capn'O » Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:56 pm

HollowEarth wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:
Read on Twitter


Another Celtics staffer says it wasn't her.

'Seeing uninvolved people's names thrown around in the media, including mine, with such carelessness is disgusting. This is a step backwards for women in sports who have worked hard to prove themselves in an industry they deserve to be in.'

Alongside the post, she added: 'It's time to speak up on this matter and to my female coworkers, I see you and I am always here #womeninsports.'

On that note, someone should scrub the posts earlier in this thread where people were playing internet detective and posting the names/photos/positions of various employees.


It would help the mod team here if any remaining posts like that were reported.
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Post#1545 » by Isocleas2 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:56 pm

Is it really that hard not to **** someone you work with AND that you have power over? Couple billion other fish in the sea.
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Post#1546 » by DaGawd » Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:08 pm

Isocleas2 wrote:Is it really that hard not to **** someone you work with AND that you have power over? Couple billion other fish in the sea.

not to excuse what udoka has done but easy access can be extremely tempting. that plus the fact you see these folks every day sometimes more than your own family so you naturally draw a close bond to them
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Post#1547 » by Tomtolbert » Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:13 pm

DrCoach wrote:Matt Barnes dropped support of Udoka and said its BAD.


Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Who knows the accuracy of what he heard.

At the start of this, clowns like Stephen A took and ran with word "consensual" to jump to conclusions, including racial ones, about the Celtics' front office and the other individual involved in this situation. Of course there was no effort on said clowns' behalf to examine the integrity of the original leak, where it may have come from, and what motives there may have been to make that leak.

People wanting to draw conclusions based on limited knowledge is nothing new. But the extent to which the media does this, is sad.
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Post#1548 » by Isocleas2 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:18 pm

DaGawd wrote:
Isocleas2 wrote:Is it really that hard not to **** someone you work with AND that you have power over? Couple billion other fish in the sea.

not to excuse what udoka has done but easy access can be extremely tempting. that plus the fact you see these folks every day sometimes more than your own family so you naturally draw a close bond to them


I can understand the temptation, one of my favorite coaches Bo Ryan also had an inappropriate relationship that led to his dismissal.

However unlike Bo who has the face and demeanor of a senior badger who just got stepped on, Ime is young and conventionally attractive. He could/should have known better and the fact he could probably pull any number of women just as attractive as her makes his weakness that much more unreasonable imo.
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Post#1549 » by Big J » Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:30 pm

Isocleas2 wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
Isocleas2 wrote:Is it really that hard not to **** someone you work with AND that you have power over? Couple billion other fish in the sea.

not to excuse what udoka has done but easy access can be extremely tempting. that plus the fact you see these folks every day sometimes more than your own family so you naturally draw a close bond to them


I can understand the temptation, one of my favorite coaches Bo Ryan also had an inappropriate relationship that led to his dismissal.

However unlike Bo who has the face and demeanor of a senior badger who just got stepped on, Ime is young and conventionally attractive. He could/should have known better and the fact he could probably pull any number of women just as attractive as her makes his weakness that much more unreasonable imo.


Damn, didn't know about Bo. How old was the chick he was smashing?
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Post#1550 » by Joshyjess » Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:33 pm

The more I read this thread, and see so many outrageous takes, the more that famous quote comes to mind "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt".
How about we wait and see what the real story is before we start tearing down innocent bystanders (like so many of the Celtic's female staff members who had nothing to do with this situation), or making up so many incredible theories to try to fill in the blanks. :thumbsup:
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Post#1551 » by dlts20 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:33 pm

Isocleas2 wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
Isocleas2 wrote:Is it really that hard not to **** someone you work with AND that you have power over? Couple billion other fish in the sea.

not to excuse what udoka has done but easy access can be extremely tempting. that plus the fact you see these folks every day sometimes more than your own family so you naturally draw a close bond to them


I can understand the temptation, one of my favorite coaches Bo Ryan also had an inappropriate relationship that led to his dismissal.

However unlike Bo who has the face and demeanor of a senior badger who just got stepped on, Ime is young and conventionally attractive. He could/should have known better and the fact he could probably pull any number of women just as attractive as her makes his weakness that much more unreasonable imo.

If you have an addiction then it is extremely hard. I'm sorry but I am a natural flirt and I am not turning down a bear woman. That's why it sucks because you really have to trust that the other person can keep quiet just like you will but a woman can easily catch feelings and switch up. A lot of men can also
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Post#1552 » by celtxman » Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:46 pm

Tomtolbert wrote:
DrCoach wrote:Matt Barnes dropped support of Udoka and said its BAD.


Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Who knows the accuracy of what he heard.

At the start of this, clowns like Stephen A took and ran with word "consensual" to jump to conclusions, including racial ones, about the Celtics' front office and the other individual involved in this situation. Of course there was no effort on said clowns' behalf to examine the integrity of the original leak, where it may have come from, and what motives there may have been to make that leak.

People wanting to draw conclusions based on limited knowledge is nothing new. But the extent to which the media does this, is sad.
I actually have always liked Stephen A. But if he has missed this as badly as it appears he has, I am hoping be is contrite and apologetic with no "buts" in his statement come Monday morning.


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Re: Woj/Shams: Ime Udoka Suspended for 2022-23 Season - Inappropriate Relationship, Conduct Violations 

Post#1553 » by sp6r=underrated » Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:49 pm

DaGawd wrote:
Isocleas2 wrote:Is it really that hard not to **** someone you work with AND that you have power over? Couple billion other fish in the sea.

not to excuse what udoka has done but easy access can be extremely tempting. that plus the fact you see these folks every day sometimes more than your own family so you naturally draw a close bond to them


Yup, I've dated co-workers and I started going out with a former boss of mine at my going away party. In the later case, the main reason I left was to pursue that relationship. It is quite normal. I'm middle aged and know multiple married couples via work.

But employers, understandably, don't want boss-employee relationships for several reasons.

1. Consensual relationships can devolve into sexual harassment if the employee knows or feels the boss will retaliate for ending the relationship.

2. The employee's co-workers may think they get special treatment for sleeping with the boss even if the employee hasn't gotten special treatment. This is bad for morale.

3. Employers get especially nervous about bosses who habitually pursue staff members. No guy's radar is 100% correct. If you constantly ask out co-workers, even if you think they are interested, you will miss sometimes and ask out someone who dislikes you but has to pretend otherwise because you are the boss.

4. Sexual harassers will often times exploit other people's consensual relationships. They'll tell their staff that a consensual relationship is really a quid pro quo and if you want to do well here we will have the same.
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Post#1554 » by ellobo » Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:09 pm

We don't really know any of the facts of what happened.

We do know that the Celtics thought it necessary to conduct a months-long investigation, and the results of that investigation led to a conclusion that a year's suspension of their star coach was warranted, and that Udoka is accepting the suspension.

We do know that Matt Barnes heard the facts from a source he believes and immediately withdrew his previous comments and characterized the situation as "deep," "bad," and "ugly."

Now someone else in possession of the facts might potentially disagree with the Celtics' conclusion, but without possession of the facts we have no basis for doing so.

Matt Barnes's source may be wrong and/or someone else in possession of the facts might disagree with his interpretation of them, but without possession of the facts we have no basis for doing so.

So I'm reserving any specific judgment or comment until the facts inevitably and eventually leak out and I can reach my own conclusions.

However, based on the actions and reactions of those who DO have, or claim to have, full and accurate knowledge, it doesn't sound good.
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Post#1555 » by SNPA » Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:10 pm

Think what you will of Matt Barnes but this video makes it clear whatever happened here is bad.

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Post#1556 » by Crunch 99 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:10 pm

If they can name the guy, why not name the women...


Cricket23 wrote:I'm still noticing some saying that if it were consensual the other party should also be punished. Even if a woman knowingly and willingly violated team policy, this is not possible for the organization. All it would take if for the woman later saying she felt taken advantage of, and suddenly the look is that the Celtics punished the female victim. True or not, fair or not, no way it would happen.


I can appreciate why companies usually only hold the superior employee accountable and do not hold the subordinate employee accountable. It is reasonable to demand a higher standard of behavior from the superior employee who has more power. When a subordinate engages in a consensual affair with a superior who can directly or indirectly impact the subordinate's career, there is an undeniable power difference dynamic in the background that can be brought up at any time.

Were a company to publicly name and/or suspend or fire a subordinate for violating company policy for reason of having an affair with a superior, they would very likely have a big, losable, civil lawsuit on their hands, even if they had an initial statement from the subordinate that the affair was entirely consensual, and even if they had evidence that the subordinate wrongly pushed to have the affair in the first place.
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Post#1557 » by Patsfan1081 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:14 pm

Why are people still focusing on the “relationship” aspect? Thats not what got him suspended. The one piece of info that has come out is that he committed multiple offenses.
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Post#1558 » by FlatearthZorro » Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:23 pm

DrCoach wrote:Matt Barnes dropped support of Udoka and said its BAD.


It's fairly logical for it to be bad. I've written this at least 3 times:

- The C's like Udoka.
- A female staffer filed a complaint agaisnt Udoka.
- A relatioship turned from consensual to more than likely harrassment.
- Boston hired a law firm to investigate.

Do you think that it's possible that it isn't bad for Udoka considering all the facts?
I believe he will get fired, suspension is the first step.
I kinda wanted him to stay, but it is what it is and it's his fault. Awful judgement,selfish, putting himself before the team, his fiance, etc, etc, etc.
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Post#1559 » by lamscott » Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:28 pm

What is up with athletes and the rampant sexual deviance?
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Post#1560 » by HoopsterJones » Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:28 pm

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