AleksandarN wrote:Magic Giannison wrote:Heres an interesting numbers game about TS%.
Rudy Gobert had a 70% TS in 2019-20 averaging 15.1 points on 8.2 FGA
Jokic this year is posting a 70% TS% averaging 24.6 on 14.8 FGA (lowest or 2nd lowest since he became a star)
Giannis this year is posting 60% TS% averaging 31.3 on 20.7 FGA ( highest in his career)
Jokic efficiency rose while shooting 2.9 less shots on average compared to last year where he had 66%TS.
Compared to last year Jokic raw production fell hence why his efficiency rose.
This however doesn't make Jokic last year better because his raw production dropped but because a portion of it translated into him playmaking and passing more when his roster is much healthier.
This one of example on how taking advanced stats and especially TS% and trying to single it out but itself its either misleading because Jokic just shifted his game into different focus while dropping usage by 4 %, rebounding and raw scoring.
This is why when i see people freaking out about 70% TS it means absolutely nothing.
This is why when i see people saying that Giannis is having a down year is flat out wrong.
For the record, i do believe Jokic this year is better than last year.
Again context matters. The amount of shots and types matter. So throwing in Gobert’s ts is disingenuous. I expected you to discuss and debate in good faith. Just like you did with calling out plus minus stats
It seems you completely missed my point allow me to clarify.
Goberts numbers weren't to directly thrown in to compare him to Jokic it was to showcase why he isnt considered an elite offensive player despite having TS as high as 73 % because of his volume.
This is why i put FGA and even bolded because the production part matters a lot.
For Jokic i highlighted where the 4 % increase came from ( which is lower usage,rebounding on
3 less shots ), in fact i believe last year Jokic was better in terms of scoring because he had near playoff usage% on higher volume shooting and higher overall raw production. Shot selection here is irrelevant for explaining the rise in TS% for Jokic as its similar to his previous year.
This is also why i threw in Giannis as third explanation to showcase people saying him having a down year is wrong just because his TS dropped which is explained on his insane high usage and high volume.
My whole point is to give context on why people taking TS % as a gospel is simply is misleading without context .
Jokic reason of being a better player this year is not his 4% increase TS% but because he raised his playmaking/passing to higher level despite being already high. That his biggest case for the MVP and not his already highly efficient scoring.
