Preseason games discussion thread 2019

[KingDavid]

#1 pick here we come

The Heat played their best 8 players for over 20 minutes each and that kid Herro can flat out score. For the Hawks, Len only played 13 minutes; while Huerter and Crabbe did not play any. Hopefully they are both ready for opening night. The 1st 4 - 6 weeks is a tough schedule and it will be really tough without Huerter and Crabbe.

You do worry to much. In the plus/minus: Trae 0, Collins -2, Len -3, Vince -7. Coach Pierce gave Jones and Bruno 30 minutes at the center spot. Those are Lens minutes in the regular season. All three Hawk's rookies had a brutal night.

No. Dion Waiters didn't play. Kelly Olynyk is still out with injury. James Johnson still hasn't played in the preseason.

I'm sure this year you guys will progress quite a bit. This is part of the rebuilding process.

[Buzzard]

#1 pick here we come

The Heat played their best 8 players for over 20 minutes each and that kid Herro can flat out score. For the Hawks, Len only played 13 minutes; while Huerter and Crabbe did not play any. Hopefully they are both ready for opening night. The 1st 4 - 6 weeks is a tough schedule and it will be really tough without Huerter and Crabbe.

You do worry to much. In the plus/minus: Trae 0, Collins -2, Len -3, Vince -7. Coach Pierce gave Jones and Bruno 30 minutes at the center spot. Those are Lens minutes in the regular season. All three Hawk's rookies had a brutal night.

No. Dion Waiters didn't play. Kelly Olynyk is still out with injury. James Johnson still hasn't played in the preseason.

I'm sure this year you guys will progress quite a bit. This is part of the rebuilding process.

I did say top 8 eight. I will give you Waiters but Olynyk and Johnson were 10th and 12th in minutes per game last season. I imagine most Heat fans are hoping Herro replaces Waiters sooner than later.

[KingDavid]

miami heat fans, i am really liking what tyler herro is on the offensive end but hows his defense? you cant really see that in any highlight reels lol.

Sneaky thief in the passing lanes, couple of chasedown blocks. He's pretty solid on defense. He gets a few rebounds too. He's made some mistakes like getting caught on screens and not being aggressive enough to get around it. Rookie stuff that will be polished. Definitely surprised the Trex arms don't effect him negatively on that end.

[manlisten]

Trae young really needs to work on his turnovers

Scouting report is out on him. Teams have picked up that he's not a huge threat to score inside and have been sitting on his passing lanes. The run he went on last season was kind of a fluke and I think people think he's further along than he really is.

He needs to check his turn overs as was said but Trae's TS is 57.3 this preseason. Once his three starts dropping, and it will, Trae will be one of the more efficient high scoring PG's in the league.

His TS is high because he makes his free throws. So he can shoot 41% from the field and 25% from 3 but hit 4/4 from the line and have a good game if you overvalue TS%. He's never been efficient so I wouldn't take it as a given that his shot will start falling and that will always limit his upside.

[Buzzard]

Scouting report is out on him. Teams have picked up that he's not a huge threat to score inside and have been sitting on his passing lanes. The run he went on last season was kind of a fluke and I think people think he's further along than he really is.

He needs to check his turn overs as was said but Trae's TS is 57.3 this preseason. Once his three starts dropping, and it will, Trae will be one of the more efficient high scoring PG's in the league.

His TS is high because he makes his free throws. So he can shoot 41% from the field and 25% from 3 but hit 4/4 from the line and have a good game if you overvalue TS%. He's never been efficient so I wouldn't take it as a given that his shot will start falling and that will always limit his upside.

Most everyone said similar things after Trae's first full regular season month last year and all that did was get a lot of nasty tasting crow shoved in their mouth by seasons end. If he only shot 33% from three he would have over a 60.0 TS%. I can live with that and the turnovers will hopefully get cleaned up once starters start playing vs testing out different lineups in the preseason.

I mean seriously, Damian Jones has gotten more minutes than Alex Len and its not even close, Huerter has not played a minute. Summer League and Pre Season, enough said.

[KingDavid]

The Heat played their best 8 players for over 20 minutes each and that kid Herro can flat out score. For the Hawks, Len only played 13 minutes; while Huerter and Crabbe did not play any. Hopefully they are both ready for opening night. The 1st 4 - 6 weeks is a tough schedule and it will be really tough without Huerter and Crabbe.

You do worry to much. In the plus/minus: Trae 0, Collins -2, Len -3, Vince -7. Coach Pierce gave Jones and Bruno 30 minutes at the center spot. Those are Lens minutes in the regular season. All three Hawk's rookies had a brutal night.

No. Dion Waiters didn't play. Kelly Olynyk is still out with injury. James Johnson still hasn't played in the preseason.

I'm sure this year you guys will progress quite a bit. This is part of the rebuilding process.

I did say your top 8 eight. I will give you Waiters but Olynyk and Johnson were 10th and 12th in minutes per game last season. I imagine most Heat fans are hoping Herro replaces Waiters sooner than later.

We would rather keep Waiters. He'd make a terrific sixth man.

We had no set rotation last season but I'm pretty sure Olynyk was our starter at pf. Jj only played 55 games because of injury. Four of last year's top eight in mpg don't play for us anymore.

This will likely be our rotation to start the season.

Justise Winslow/Goran Dragic
Tyler Herro/Dion Waiters
Jimmy Butler/Derrick Jones Jr.
Meyers Leonard/James Johnson
Bam Adebayo/Kelly Olynyk

Waiters is going to be interesting to watch. Recently, he openly said he doesn't want to come off the bench. So, he's probably getting shipped out if Spo and Riley can't change his mind lol.

[Duke4life831]

Scouting report is out on him. Teams have picked up that he's not a huge threat to score inside and have been sitting on his passing lanes. The run he went on last season was kind of a fluke and I think people think he's further along than he really is.

He needs to check his turn overs as was said but Trae's TS is 57.3 this preseason. Once his three starts dropping, and it will, Trae will be one of the more efficient high scoring PG's in the league.

His TS is high because he makes his free throws. So he can shoot 41% from the field and 25% from 3 but hit 4/4 from the line and have a good game if you overvalue TS%. He's never been efficient so I wouldn't take it as a given that his shot will start falling and that will always limit his upside.

He has the ability to be a super efficient PG, his shot selection though is what holds him back.

[KingDavid]

He needs to check his turn overs as was said but Trae's TS is 57.3 this preseason. Once his three starts dropping, and it will, Trae will be one of the more efficient high scoring PG's in the league.

His TS is high because he makes his free throws. So he can shoot 41% from the field and 25% from 3 but hit 4/4 from the line and have a good game if you overvalue TS%. He's never been efficient so I wouldn't take it as a given that his shot will start falling and that will always limit his upside.

Most everyone said similar things after Trae's first regular season month last year and all that did was shove a lot of nasty tasting crow in their mouth by seasons end. If he only shot 33% from three he would have over a 60.0 TS%. I can live with that and the turnovers will hopefully get cleaned up once starters start playing vs testing out different lineups in the preseason.

I mean seriously, Damien Jones has gotten more minutes than Alex Len and its not even close, Huerter has not played a minute. Summer League and Pre Season, enough said.

The only glaring issues I have with Trae is his habit of picking up his dribble too soon, the jump passes, the long distance threes. He gets into the lane so easily, he could easily replicate Nash's game if he keeps his dribble alive.

Pgs take the most time to develop. He'll be fine.

[Marcus]

He needs to check his turn overs as was said but Trae's TS is 57.3 this preseason. Once his three starts dropping, and it will, Trae will be one of the more efficient high scoring PG's in the league.

His TS is high because he makes his free throws. So he can shoot 41% from the field and 25% from 3 but hit 4/4 from the line and have a good game if you overvalue TS%. He's never been efficient so I wouldn't take it as a given that his shot will start falling and that will always limit his upside.

He has the ability to be a super efficient PG, his shot selection though is what holds him back.

this was my point when talking to a co-worker about Trae. The kid can be a sniper if he just changed his selection and take the open looks provided by the offense. If Nash is the comp then that should be the emulation. Nash in today's climate would be ridiculous.

[Buzzard]

No. Dion Waiters didn't play. Kelly Olynyk is still out with injury. James Johnson still hasn't played in the preseason.

I'm sure this year you guys will progress quite a bit. This is part of the rebuilding process.

I did say your top 8 eight. I will give you Waiters but Olynyk and Johnson were 10th and 12th in minutes per game last season. I imagine most Heat fans are hoping Herro replaces Waiters sooner than later.

We would rather keep Waiters. He'd make a terrific sixth man.

We had no set rotation last season but I'm pretty sure Olynyk was our starter at pf. Jj only played 55 games because of injury. Four of last year's top eight in mpg don't play for us anymore.

This will likely be our rotation to start the season.

Justise Winslow/Goran Dragic
Tyler Herro/Dion Waiters
Jimmy Butler/Derrick Jones Jr.
Meyers Leonard/James Johnson
Bam Adebayo/Kelly Olynyk

Waiters is going to be interesting to watch. Recently, he openly said he doesn't want to come off the bench. So, he's probably getting shipped out if Spo and Riley can't change his mind lol.

I have never cared for Waiters because his shooting confidence does not translate to efficiency. He does not do anything really well like getting to the line, rebounds, or assist. 6th man may be his best role and if he gets shipped, I do not think he ever is a starter for a championship team. So I agree with you, he is an eventual 6th man or maybe a starter for a bad team.

[Marcus]

I did say your top 8 eight. I will give you Waiters but Olynyk and Johnson were 10th and 12th in minutes per game last season. I imagine most Heat fans are hoping Herro replaces Waiters sooner than later.

We would rather keep Waiters. He'd make a terrific sixth man.

We had no set rotation last season but I'm pretty sure Olynyk was our starter at pf. Jj only played 55 games because of injury. Four of last year's top eight in mpg don't play for us anymore.

This will likely be our rotation to start the season.

Justise Winslow/Goran Dragic
Tyler Herro/Dion Waiters
Jimmy Butler/Derrick Jones Jr.
Meyers Leonard/James Johnson
Bam Adebayo/Kelly Olynyk

Waiters is going to be interesting to watch. Recently, he openly said he doesn't want to come off the bench. So, he's probably getting shipped out if Spo and Riley can't change his mind lol.

I have never cared for Waiters because his shooting confidence does not translate to efficiency. He does not do anything really well like getting to the line, rebounds, or assist. 6th man may be his best role and if he gets shipped, I do not think he ever is a starter for a championship team. So I agree with you, he is an eventual 6th man or maybe a starter for a bad team.

said it before Herro might be playing KobeWade out a job. Bruh Bruh better get in line or he'll be Dion Waivers soon.

[manlisten]

His TS is high because he makes his free throws. So he can shoot 41% from the field and 25% from 3 but hit 4/4 from the line and have a good game if you overvalue TS%. He's never been efficient so I wouldn't take it as a given that his shot will start fallil
He has the ability to be a super efficient PG, his shot selection though is what holds him back.

this was my point when talking to a co-worker about Trae. The kid can be a sniper if he just changed his selection and take the open looks provided by the offense. If Nash is the comp then that should be the emulation. Nash in today's climate would be ridiculous.

His shot selection is poor because it's hard for him to get separation and clean looks. That's why he tends to shoot from so deep early in the clock before the defense can set up. Westbrook could also be super efficient if he changed his shot selection but we see that's not happening. Efficiency from the field is just not Trae's game IMO.

[Duke4life831]

His TS is high because he makes his free throws. So he can shoot 41% from the field and 25% from 3 but hit 4/4 from the line and have a good game if you overvalue TS%. He's never been efficient so I wouldn't take it as a given that his shot will start falling and that will always limit his upside.

He has the ability to be a super efficient PG, his shot selection though is what holds him back.

this was my point when talking to a co-worker about Trae. The kid can be a sniper if he just changed his selection and take the open looks provided by the offense. If Nash is the comp then that should be the emulation. Nash in today's climate would be ridiculous.

And going all the way back to his high school and USA days, this is the main reason (defense as well) that I have never been fully on the Trae Young train. Last year he had 1 month where he shot at least 35% from 3 (shot very well with 43%), but that's it just one month. Its not from a lack of shooting ability, its from horrible shot selection.

I do think he's a good enough shooter (especially from the line) that he is never going to be horrific from an efficiency stand point. But with his turnovers, shot selection and defense, ya that stuff prevents me from buying into him going to be a star one day.

[amcoolio]

PJ Washington's TS is 76.7. And he's taking three 3's a game too.

[RCM88x]

We've honestly looked much worse than I expected in the preseason. Moderately concerned.

[clyde21]

3 blocks 1 steal for Thybulle in 11 mins...this guy is a defensive demon

[Duffman100]

lol, the Pistons have two 5 second violations. Casey coached teams always seem to have issues inbounding.

[Marcus]

lol, the Pistons have two 5 second violations. Casey coached teams always seem to have issues inbounding.

lmao. that is a wild issue to have at this level.

[Duffman100]

lol, the Pistons have two 5 second violations. Casey coached teams always seem to have issues inbounding.

lmao. that is a wild issue to have at this level.

When he coached the Raptors, we'd HATE late game timeouts because we were so nervous about inbounding. It was a legit issue.

[Marcus]

lol, the Pistons have two 5 second violations. Casey coached teams always seem to have issues inbounding.

lmao. that is a wild issue to have at this level.

When he coached the Raptors, we'd HATE late game timeouts because we were so nervous about inbounding. It was a legit issue.

lmao.

Nursed them to healthy inbound deliveries.