Stephen Curry has been totally exposed

[therealbig3]

The question no one has answered, the warriors are #6 in defense: 109.0 but #20 in offense: 110.5. They're winning mostly because of their defense, who gets the credit for that? A couple pages back someone got clowned because of the "names" of the defenders... but F that WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING ON THE COURT IS ALL THAT MATTERS, WHO CARES WHAT THEIR NAMES ARE.

Curry isn't the guy making this a borderline top 5 defense: -1.61 Drpm, 0.0 Dbpm

Curry is my favorite player to watch and this thread is dumb, but the hyperbole about his teammates badness is insulting, especially on defense.

His teammates are awful outside of Green and Wiggins.

Its hard to have an NBA team with only 3 players on it worth a damn.

I don't think you can say that if they're able to play such good defense as a team. Clearly, there's value in what these other players are doing.

Or...Green is just that monstrous of a defender that he's able to anchor a great defense by himself...which means him being co-MVP is a fair statement.

[xdrta+]

His teammates are awful outside of Green and Wiggins.

Its hard to have an NBA team with only 3 players on it worth a damn.

If that's the case, let's give some credit to Steve Kerr. He's responsible for the defense and taking advantage of Steph's gravity, etc. on offense.

[Marrrcuss]

So yall are STILL calling Oubre awful???

[clyde21]

So yall are STILL calling Oubre awful???

you mean the guy barely shooting 40% from the field on 12 PER, -3.3 BPM and -10 Net Rating? uhhh...yes?

ya'll LeBron fans acting like you wouldn't be throwing every single one of these guys under the bus had LeBron been on this team instead is hysterical. history speaks for itself on that one.

[Marrrcuss]

So yall are STILL calling Oubre awful???

you mean the guy barely shooting 40% from the field on 12 PER, -3.3 BPM and -10 Net Rating? uhhh...yes?

ya'll LeBron fans acting like you wouldn't be throwing every single one of these guys under the bus had LeBron been on this team instead is hysterical. history speaks for itself on that one.

He started 0-25.

Hes playing better now, not sure why its a big deal.

Edit: Btw, SOMEbody has to play defense. As I watched the nets game, i saw a guy RUNNING from Kyrie and Harden.

[Ritzo]

This thread tops the Lonzo Ball is Curry with 40 inch vertical take.

[clyde21]

So yall are STILL calling Oubre awful???

you mean the guy barely shooting 40% from the field on 12 PER, -3.3 BPM and -10 Net Rating? uhhh...yes?

ya'll LeBron fans acting like you wouldn't be throwing every single one of these guys under the bus had LeBron been on this team instead is hysterical. history speaks for itself on that one.

He started 0-25.

Hes playing better now, not sure why its a big deal.

he's playing better than when he was the worst player in the entire NBA, yes, you've got a point there.

[Mujahydeen]

They looked like one of the worst teams of all time until Green came back.

It was a group of unfamiliar players who had never played together before, for the first time trying (and failing) to run Kerr's complex offense against two powerhouse teams and having to manage around Kelly Oubre shooting 1/21 for 3 during that stretch. It's not a surprise they struggled at the beginning.

[Flash Falcon X]

Green is getting credit now? I thought he’s an overrated triple single donkey who’s been washed up for the past several years and is useless when he’s not the 3rd/4th “star” on the team?

[xdrta+]

Green is getting credit now? I thought he’s an overrated triple single donkey who’s been washed up for the past several years and is useless when he’s not the 3rd/4th “star” on the team?

No, no, when he can be used to downgrade what Curry does, he becomes key to the whole team.

[WarriorGM]

I mean, pretty much all impact metrics could hardly separate Green and Curry during the Warriors peak years...for THIS team, he's been a co-MVP...sure, this year that's probably a stretch to say, but Green is still super valuable and is anchoring a borderline top 5 defense. It's not Curry by himself out there, and their offensive performance isn't the biggest reason they're 15-13. Green is still an excellent player, make no mistake about that.

With all that said, I think Curry is awesome, a top 5 player in the league this year, and honestly, I'd only take LeBron over him for sure.

Curry led the league in raw +/- during the regular season in 2014, 2015, 2017, and 2019. He was second in 2016 during his unanimous MVP year. In 2018 he was 7th—after he missed 31 games due to injury. But even in 2018 at the end of the playoffs he still ended up as having the highest +/- for the entire season.

What does that tell me? Curry is the driver of these numbers on Golden State. He was leading in plus-minus even before the Warriors took the league by storm. He was leading in plus-minus at the Warriors' pinnacle. He ended up leading in plus-minus even after being absent for a third of the year. Curry is the alpha and the omega when it comes to Golden State's success.

There are some people who look at Draymond Green having the the highest +/- in 2016 (the record for the regular season) and see this as proof that Green is a phenomenal player even arguing that he was the reason for their success. But this came during Steph's unanimous MVP season when he was putting up the most efficient offensive stats in history and sitting out 4th quarters on the regular. Are people seriously insinuating that Green was the driver of +/- and success on that team? It beggars belief to think this was a coincidence. It's plain as day to me that Green's record regular season plus-minus was largely a byproduct of Curry's play, something further supported by Curry setting the record plus-minus for combined regular and post season in 2017 and the results of 2014, 2018, and 2019.

Here's what makes more sense: a great deal of Green's numbers are dependent on Curry. In a proper evaluation they should be ascribed and credited to Curry. That means adding to Curry's already awesome numbers. But many people here don't want to go there because the logical conclusion would be Curry is not just a top 5 player in the league currently—he is a top 5 player all-time.

Here is my take on the current situation: the current Warriors still haven't fully gelled yet unlike the 2015 Warriors who had the opportunity to play with each other the previous two years. Once they do, even in the absence of higher IQ role players like Iguodala and Livingston, they will bridge the gap of not having a Klay Thompson at least for the regular season and break out on the upside of their current record hovering around .500. Expect people to start exclaiming how Oubre, Wiggins, and Wiseman are actually good players. Just remember though it is Steph who makes it possible—as he always has.

[itsxtray]

I mean, pretty much all impact metrics could hardly separate Green and Curry during the Warriors peak years...for THIS team, he's been a co-MVP...sure, this year that's probably a stretch to say, but Green is still super valuable and is anchoring a borderline top 5 defense. It's not Curry by himself out there, and their offensive performance isn't the biggest reason they're 15-13. Green is still an excellent player, make no mistake about that.

With all that said, I think Curry is awesome, a top 5 player in the league this year, and honestly, I'd only take LeBron over him for sure.

Curry led the league in raw +/- during the regular season in 2014, 2015, 2017, and 2019. He was second in 2016 during his unanimous MVP year. In 2018 he was 7th—after he missed 31 games due to injury. But even in 2018 at the end of the playoffs he still ended up as having the highest +/- for the entire season.

What does that tell me? Curry is the driver of these numbers on Golden State. He was leading in plus-minus even before the Warriors took the league by storm. He was leading in plus-minus at the Warriors' pinnacle. He ended up leading in plus-minus even after being absent for a third of the year. Curry is the alpha and the omega when it comes to Golden State's success.

There are some people who look at Draymond Green having the the highest +/- in 2016 (the record for the regular season) and see this as proof that Green is a phenomenal player even arguing that he was the reason for their success. But this came during Steph's unanimous MVP season when he was putting up the most efficient offensive stats in history and sitting out 4th quarters on the regular. Are people seriously insinuating that Green was the driver of +/- and success on that team? It beggars belief to think this was a coincidence. It's plain as day to me that Green's record regular season plus-minus was largely a byproduct of Curry's play, something further supported by Curry setting the record plus-minus for combined regular and post season in 2017 and the results of 2014, 2018, and 2019.

Here's what makes more sense: a great deal of Green's numbers are dependent on Curry. In a proper evaluation they should be ascribed and credited to Curry. That means adding to Curry's already awesome numbers. But many people here don't want to go there because the logical conclusion would be Curry is not just a top 5 player in the league currently—he is a top 5 player all-time.

Here is my take on the current situation: the current Warriors still haven't fully gelled yet unlike the 2015 Warriors who had the opportunity to play with each other the previous two years. Once they do, even in the absence of higher IQ role players like Iguodala and Livingston, they will bridge the gap of not having a Klay Thompson at least for the regular season and break out on the upside of their current record hovering around .500. Expect people to start exclaiming how Oubre, Wiggins, and Wiseman are actually good players. Just remember though it is Steph who makes it possible—as he always has.

How do you explain the warriors having a borderline top 5 defense? Is that all curry too? Mostly curry? Who gets the credit? They're only 20th in offense, they're winning is mostly defense related.

[WarriorGM]

How do you explain the warriors having a borderline top 5 defense? Is that all curry too? Mostly curry? Who gets the credit? They're only 20th in offense, they're winning is mostly defense related.

One can afford to overload on defensive players when you have the greatest offensive player in NBA history on your team. So the answer that will be surprising for many is this: Curry is who allows the Warriors to have the defense they have. Maybe not directly but definitely indirectly. Without Curry's offense this team is garbage no matter what defense it brings.

The concept should be similar to how the Warriors were able to stack better than other superteams of the past. Curry's efficiency allows stacking without taking as big a hit due to there being only one ball.

Those who don't rank Curry highly regularly miss all the ways he influences a team. The usual numbers people look at fail to capture everything he does.

[itsxtray]

How do you explain the warriors having a borderline top 5 defense? Is that all curry too? Mostly curry? Who gets the credit? They're only 20th in offense, they're winning is mostly defense related.

One can afford to overload on defensive players when you have the greatest offensive player in NBA history on your team. So the answer that will be surprising for many is this: Curry is who allows the Warriors to have the defense they have. Maybe not directly but definitely indirectly. Without Curry's offense this team is garbage no matter what defense it brings.

The concept should be similar to how the Warriors were able to stack better than other superteams of the past. Curry's efficiency allows stacking without taking as big a hit due to there being only one ball.

Those who don't rank Curry highly regularly miss all the ways he influences a team. The usual numbers people look at fail to capture everything he does.

I agree in principle, but nobody thought you were getting Wiggins/Oubre/Bazemore etc... for their defense... and no one could have foreseen a borderline top 5 defense, especially since defense is where the dynasty slipped over the years, not offense.

Curry is my favorite player to watch and he's been great. I just don't like the disrespect to his teammates. Dude above said they only have 3 nba level players on the team, just stop the ridiculous hyperbole.

[MindState]

How do you explain the warriors having a borderline top 5 defense? Is that all curry too? Mostly curry? Who gets the credit? They're only 20th in offense, they're winning is mostly defense related.

One can afford to overload on defensive players when you have the greatest offensive player in NBA history on your team. So the answer that will be surprising for many is this: Curry is who allows the Warriors to have the defense they have. Maybe not directly but definitely indirectly. Without Curry's offense this team is garbage no matter what defense it brings.

The concept should be similar to how the Warriors were able to stack better than other superteams of the past. Curry's efficiency allows stacking without taking as big a hit due to there being only one ball.

Those who don't rank Curry highly regularly miss all the ways he influences a team. The usual numbers people look at fail to capture everything he does.

I agree in principle, but nobody thought you were getting Wiggins/Oubre/Bazemore etc... for their defense... and no one could have foreseen a borderline top 5 defense, especially since defense is where the dynasty slipped over the years, not offense.

Curry is my favorite player to watch and he's been great. I just don't like the disrespect to his teammates. Dude above said they only have 3 nba level players on the team, just stop the ridiculous hyperbole.

They have 4 NBA level players, (Curry, Dray, Wiggins, Oubre) the rest are either litereally right out of the g-league, cast-offs that nobody wanted, or rookies/second year players who still dont have a solid place in the NBA and might be sent to the g-league at any moment.

[michaelm]

I mean, pretty much all impact metrics could hardly separate Green and Curry during the Warriors peak years...for THIS team, he's been a co-MVP...sure, this year that's probably a stretch to say, but Green is still super valuable and is anchoring a borderline top 5 defense. It's not Curry by himself out there, and their offensive performance isn't the biggest reason they're 15-13. Green is still an excellent player, make no mistake about that.

With all that said, I think Curry is awesome, a top 5 player in the league this year, and honestly, I'd only take LeBron over him for sure.

Curry led the league in raw +/- during the regular season in 2014, 2015, 2017, and 2019. He was second in 2016 during his unanimous MVP year. In 2018 he was 7th—after he missed 31 games due to injury. But even in 2018 at the end of the playoffs he still ended up as having the highest +/- for the entire season.

What does that tell me? Curry is the driver of these numbers on Golden State. He was leading in plus-minus even before the Warriors took the league by storm. He was leading in plus-minus at the Warriors' pinnacle. He ended up leading in plus-minus even after being absent for a third of the year. Curry is the alpha and the omega when it comes to Golden State's success.

There are some people who look at Draymond Green having the the highest +/- in 2016 (the record for the regular season) and see this as proof that Green is a phenomenal player even arguing that he was the reason for their success. But this came during Steph's unanimous MVP season when he was putting up the most efficient offensive stats in history and sitting out 4th quarters on the regular. Are people seriously insinuating that Green was the driver of +/- and success on that team? It beggars belief to think this was a coincidence. It's plain as day to me that Green's record regular season plus-minus was largely a byproduct of Curry's play, something further supported by Curry setting the record plus-minus for combined regular and post season in 2017 and the results of 2014, 2018, and 2019.

Here's what makes more sense: a great deal of Green's numbers are dependent on Curry. In a proper evaluation they should be ascribed and credited to Curry. That means adding to Curry's already awesome numbers. But many people here don't want to go there because the logical conclusion would be Curry is not just a top 5 player in the league currently—he is a top 5 player all-time.

Here is my take on the current situation: the current Warriors still haven't fully gelled yet unlike the 2015 Warriors who had the opportunity to play with each other the previous two years. Once they do, even in the absence of higher IQ role players like Iguodala and Livingston, they will bridge the gap of not having a Klay Thompson at least for the regular season and break out on the upside of their current record hovering around .500. Expect people to start exclaiming how Oubre, Wiggins, and Wiseman are actually good players. Just remember though it is Steph who makes it possible—as he always has.

How do you explain the warriors having a borderline top 5 defense? Is that all curry too? Mostly curry? Who gets the credit? They're only 20th in offense, they're winning is mostly defense related.

Green is a great defensive player, and others are definitely playing good defense and have bought in on defense as well, particularly Wiggins. If they can get some rim protection which they should be able to get by training Wiseman up defensively which Green has taken on, their defense might be really good. Having a superstar like Curry at the very least trying hard on defense has always helped GSW as a defensive team.

[Dom801e]

They have 4 NBA level players, (Curry, Dray, Wiggins, Oubre) the rest are either litereally right out of the g-league, cast-offs that nobody wanted, or rookies/second year players who still dont have a solid place in the NBA and might be sent to the g-league at any moment.

Kent Bazemore has 12000 minutes and more than 250 starts in his career. Looney, Lee, and Wanamaker are all NBA quality bench players.

[xdrta+]

They have 4 NBA level players, (Curry, Dray, Wiggins, Oubre) the rest are either litereally right out of the g-league, cast-offs that nobody wanted, or rookies/second year players who still dont have a solid place in the NBA and might be sent to the g-league at any moment.

I guess that makes Kerr the best coach in the world, if he has a winning record with that trash. A top 5 defense with scrubs like that? Credit to Kerr. An offense that can maximize Curry and survive the 15 minutes he's on the bench with the worst bench in the league? Credit to Kerr. Let's give credit where it's due.

[MindState]

They have 4 NBA level players, (Curry, Dray, Wiggins, Oubre) the rest are either litereally right out of the g-league, cast-offs that nobody wanted, or rookies/second year players who still dont have a solid place in the NBA and might be sent to the g-league at any moment.

Kent Bazemore has 12000 minutes and more than 250 starts in his career. Looney, Lee, and Wanamaker are all NBA quality bench players.

Stop it.

Looney has the body of a 72 year old and hasnt been able to stay healthy for 2 seasons.
Lee is a 3rd stringer who was just pulled up from the G-League last year.
Wanamaker is awful, should probably be playing overseas, almost every warrior fan wants him gone.

If we count Baze thats 5 NBA players that would be wanted by other teams besides the Warriors front office. The depth is god awful.

If the warriors GM does his job correctly in the off season, Warriors will be getting rid of 7-8 players that are currently getting minutes this season. Not to mention their two draft picks from last year that were getting minutes are in the damn G-League THIS year, meaning they had a full season to play and regressed.

[Asianiac_24]

They have 4 NBA level players, (Curry, Dray, Wiggins, Oubre) the rest are either litereally right out of the g-league, cast-offs that nobody wanted, or rookies/second year players who still dont have a solid place in the NBA and might be sent to the g-league at any moment.

Kent Bazemore has 12000 minutes and more than 250 starts in his career. Looney, Lee, and Wanamaker are all NBA quality bench players.

Bazemore started years ago. He's barely a NBA caliber bench player at this point.

Looney is NBA caliber but too injury prone to depend on.

Lee is 10th man level player.

Wanamaker is not NBA quality.

The only players I would add that is NBA caliber are Anderson and Wiseman.