Eurobasket 2022 (daily OP updates), day 11, all quarter finals teams known, Italy shocks Europe, eliminates Serbia

[Dirk]

What's the story with Latvia.

Aren't they better than various teams that were at this tournament?

Didn't qualify, like Slovenia didn't qualify for last WC. Fiba has those stupid windows, where players from Nba and Euroleague can't participate. You're basically penalised for having good players playing in better leagues. For Example Croatia is already out next WC after the first phase. Serbia is in bad position and Slovenia might have some problems too. Turkey is almost out....

Why can't they fix it?

Can't they have more teams automatically qualified based on previous tournament. Or maybe schedule shorter qualification tournaments, but ensure that NBA/Euroleague players can participate?

I mean, giving Slovenia's example, it doesn't even make sense for Luka to play qualification games. But FIBA knows Slovenia has Luka and Slovenia should by default be at these tournaments. So they should ensure that this happens as much as they can.

[Archx]

I mean, giving Slovenia's example, it doesn't even make sense for Luka to play qualification games. But FIBA knows Slovenia has Luka and Slovenia should by default be at these tournaments. So they should ensure that this happens as much as they can.

This is a huge head scratcher. Why does a team that wins Eurocup even have to play qualify for WC? Or even worse, best teams with best players don't even qualify because best players can't play due to schedule.

And the absolute worst thing is, teams from more exotic countries with really bad players, get in easily. FIBA has dumb rules that hardly anyone understands.

[The Number 9]

Why can't they fix it?

Can't they have more teams automatically qualified based on previous tournament. Or maybe schedule shorter qualification tournaments, but ensure that NBA/Euroleague players can participate?

I mean, giving Slovenia's example, it doesn't even make sense for Luka to play qualification games. But FIBA knows Slovenia has Luka and Slovenia should by default be at these tournaments. So they should ensure that this happens as much as they can.

It was the previous system, a lot of teams qualify by the previous major tournament et a short qualification for most of the best teams left.
And, for the moment, they won't fix anything as FIBA doesn't see any problem with the current qualification system. They are, in fact, quite happy with it.

EDIT: To clarify, I'm not saying I like it.

[BelgradeNugget]

Not in Serbia. Losing in 2017 against Slovenia was like national disaster.

By the time you make finals, and are favorite, sure. Losing any final hurts. But if before tournament they just said - you get silver medal, no one would have said its ''national disaster''.

I can guarantee you that anything but winning will be treated as bad in Serbia this year too.

As UcanUwill wrote, of course you will be disappointed if you are a favorite and you lose in the finals like in 2017 against Slovenia. If you are not a favorite and you lose in finals to team USA like in Rio Olympics, 2016 and you play good game, no one will be disappointed. Everybody will say you WON silver medal.

Jokic has never won anything in his career.

Which leads us to your post and prove how it was wrong.

[Bob8]

By the time you make finals, and are favorite, sure. Losing any final hurts. But if before tournament they just said - you get silver medal, no one would have said its ''national disaster''.

I can guarantee you that anything but winning will be treated as bad in Serbia this year too.

As UcanUwill wrote, of course you will be disappointed if you are a favorite and you lose in the finals like in 2017 against Slovenia. If you are not a favorite and you lose in finals to team USA like in Rio Olympics, 2016 and you play good game, no one will be disappointed. Everybody will say you WON silver medal.

Jokic has never won anything in his career.

Which leads us to your post and prove how it was wrong.

No problem, I'm wrong. I just hope that he wins bronze medal this year.

[BelgradeNugget]

I mean, giving Slovenia's example, it doesn't even make sense for Luka to play qualification games. But FIBA knows Slovenia has Luka and Slovenia should by default be at these tournaments. So they should ensure that this happens as much as they can.

This is a huge head scratcher. Why does a team that wins Eurocup even have to play qualify for WC? Or even worse, best teams with best players don't even qualify because best players can't play due to schedule.

And the absolute worst thing is, teams from more exotic countries with really bad players, get in easily. FIBA has dumb rules that hardly anyone understands.

It is pretty easy to understand. They make money, they will sell TV rights with Luka/Jokic/Giannis or not. They DGAF about quality of product, they DGAF about future, just put money in pockets while you are in position (FIBA Central Board)

[Archx]

I mean, giving Slovenia's example, it doesn't even make sense for Luka to play qualification games. But FIBA knows Slovenia has Luka and Slovenia should by default be at these tournaments. So they should ensure that this happens as much as they can.

This is a huge head scratcher. Why does a team that wins Eurocup even have to play qualify for WC? Or even worse, best teams with best players don't even qualify because best players can't play due to schedule.

And the absolute worst thing is, teams from more exotic countries with really bad players, get in easily. FIBA has dumb rules that hardly anyone understands.

It is pretty easy to understand. They make money, they will sell TV rights with Luka/Jokic/Giannis or not. They DGAF about quality of product, they DGAF about future, just put money in pockets while you are in position (FIBA Central Board)

Yeah unfortunately. Problem is though, they sell a lot more if top players are around but FIBA officials are too dumb to do anything to improve the ratings and viewership. We had Eurocups before where arenas were almost empty due to top teams not being around. This time they're lucky all 3 best guys are playing.

[CharityStripe34]

Yeah, I find it weird that FIBA can't figure out a way to help ensure that the world's best players are available for the WC.

[Mamba81p]

What's the story with Latvia.

Aren't they better than various teams that were at this tournament?

Didn't qualify, like Slovenia didn't qualify for last WC. Fiba has those stupid windows, where players from Nba and Euroleague can't participate. You're basically penalised for having good players playing in better leagues. For Example Croatia is already out next WC after the first phase. Serbia is in bad position and Slovenia might have some problems too. Turkey is almost out....

Why can't they fix it?

Can't they have more teams automatically qualified based on previous tournament. Or maybe schedule shorter qualification tournaments, but ensure that NBA/Euroleague players can participate?

I mean, giving Slovenia's example, it doesn't even make sense for Luka to play qualification games. But FIBA knows Slovenia has Luka and Slovenia should by default be at these tournaments. So they should ensure that this happens as much as they can.

It was fixed, but they broke it. I think it was part of a bigger plan to get the power back, at least in the European basketball with ULEB. They went at first against teams from Eurocup(second league) but they ultimately failed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA%E2%80%93EuroLeague_dispute

They hoped teams/players would be desperate to qualify and want to play in a competition that follows the FIBA calendar.

[UcanUwill]

No problem, I'm wrong. I just hope that he wins bronze medal this year.

I understand that Serbia is very strong and want nothing but gold, but I am just saying, silver medal is far from national disaster. 2005 was a national disaster.

[Evenacus]

Btw, Croatia lost just recently to Finland in a bizzare fashion and was eliminated from World Cup qualifiers so that matchup is 50-50 imho.

Oddscheckker has the win for Croatia 52% and the win for Finland 44% (I suppose the missing 4% are the betting companies cut), which is indeed pretty close to 50-50.

I' ve checked a few bookies and odds offered look more like Croatia is 60-40 favorite, but that is thereabouts to what you said.
I haven't seen Marky Mark and the funky bunch ( Finland ) in this tournament so far, but from what I've seen from Croatia, it's hard for me to claim Croatia should be favored in this tie at all.

[Mavrelous]

I mean, giving Slovenia's example, it doesn't even make sense for Luka to play qualification games. But FIBA knows Slovenia has Luka and Slovenia should by default be at these tournaments. So they should ensure that this happens as much as they can.

This is a huge head scratcher. Why does a team that wins Eurocup even have to play qualify for WC? Or even worse, best teams with best players don't even qualify because best players can't play due to schedule.

And the absolute worst thing is, teams from more exotic countries with really bad players, get in easily. FIBA has dumb rules that hardly anyone understands.

It is pretty easy to understand. They make money, they will sell TV rights with Luka/Jokic/Giannis or not. They DGAF about quality of product, they DGAF about future, just put money in pockets while you are in position (FIBA Central Board)

No one watches FIBA WC, casuals around me are talking about Eurobasket because of Giannis/Jokic/Luka.

[hippesthippo]

Other than a couple of NBA MVPs you mean?

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Playing for his NT or his club in Europe or Nba.

I believe Serbia is a favourite, I was just answering previous poster. You can't say that he's proven winner, if he didn't win anything in his life.

I dont think anyone has ever won a championship with half their cap space sitting on the bench injured, not even Michael Jordan could do that.

It's a miracle he got as far as he did.

With reference to the og post of this side thread he was talking about not being able to count a team out because of a specific player.

I know I've seen the Nuggets come back from crazy 1-3 deficits before on the back of Jokic. Count him out at your own risk.

[BelgradeNugget]

It is pretty easy to understand. They make money, they will sell TV rights with Luka/Jokic/Giannis or not. They DGAF about quality of product, they DGAF about future, just put money in pockets while you are in position (FIBA Central Board)

No one watches FIBA WC, casuals around me are talking about Eurobasket because of Giannis/Jokic/Luka.

You mean - No one watches FIBA WC in USA. Europeans were watching it before and will again with or without Jokic/Giannis/Luka. The question was why qualification system so stupid. Could they make it better. How it works?

Fiba has those stupid windows, where players from Nba and Euroleague can't participate. You're basically penalised for having good players playing in better leagues. For example Croatia is already out of next WC after only the first phase of qualifications, Serbia is in bad position and Slovenia might have some problems too. Turkey is almost out....

Why can't they fix it?
Can't they have more teams automatically qualified based on previous tournament. Or maybe schedule shorter qualification tournaments, but ensure that NBA/Euroleague players can participate?
I mean, giving Slovenia's example, it doesn't even make sense for Luka to play qualification games. But FIBA knows Slovenia has Luka and Slovenia should by default be at these tournaments. So they should ensure that this happens as much as they can.

It was the previous system, a lot of teams qualify by the previous major tournament et a short qualification for most of the best teams left.
And, for the moment, they won't fix anything as FIBA doesn't see any problem with the current qualification system. They are, in fact, quite happy with it.

So they had better system, better product, but they **** it up just to get more games played in "windows system". Those qualification games are played in different countries. Someone may ask for some bribe money to decide where those games will be played. You know how Olympic system works? It is less money than Olympic but some will try to grab as many when they have a chance. And they don't care about quality of product obviously.

[SpreeS]

Playing for his NT or his club in Europe or Nba.

I believe Serbia is a favourite, I was just answering previous poster. You can't say that he's proven winner, if he didn't win anything in his life.

I dont think anyone has ever won a championship with half their cap space sitting on the bench injured, not even Michael Jordan could do that.

It's a miracle he got as far as he did.

With reference to the og post of this side thread he was talking about not being able to count a team out because of a specific player.

I know I've seen the Nuggets come back from crazy 1-3 deficits before on the back of Jokic. Count him out at your own risk.

Murray in 5/7 games

.516/.545/.900 29pts 6reb 6ast 2.3tov

[Swuul]

I' ve checked a few bookies and odds offered look more like Croatia is 60-40 favorite, but that is thereabouts to what you said.
I haven't seen Marky Mark and the funky bunch ( Finland ) in this tournament so far, but from what I've seen from Croatia, it's hard for me to claim Croatia should be favored in this tie at all.

The odds for the match on all online betting companies registered to take bets officially in UK. There is quite a bit of variation between the companies, but seems the odds for Finland has been shortening since this morning, and lengthening for Croatia.

[ShazamDaShiznt]

Another low quality tournament from FIBA. How surprising. The famous names are obviously carrying this show, but FIBA once again is lazy to fix the problems. The reffing has been horrible in so many games and I can imagine it will be even worse next year in world championship.

Also, I'm not a fan of Turkish coach, but he's said it well...what kind of tournament is this. A group had to play in Tbilisi and they traveled for hours to reach Berlin while B group was in Cologne. Turkey could not even hold a proper training before the game and their game is the earliest this Saturday. That is a horrible management on Fiba's behalf. One country, especially a country like Germany, is capable of holding the entire Eurobasket. No need for multiple cities, especially if one of them is so far away.

[Hugi Mancura]

Another low quality tournament from FIBA. How surprising. The famous names are obviously carrying this show, but FIBA once again is lazy to fix the problems. The reffing has been horrible in so many games and I can imagine it will be even worse next year in world championship.

Also, I'm not a fan of Turkish coach, but he's said it well...what kind of tournament is this. A group had to play in Tbilisi and they traveled for hours to reach Berlin while B group was in Cologne. Turkey could not even hold a proper training before the game and their game is the earliest this Saturday. That is a horrible management on Fiba's behalf. One country, especially a country like Germany, is capable of holding the entire Eurobasket. No need for multiple cities, especially if one of them is so far away.

Their last game was on Wednesday and today is their next game. They didn't have enough time to travel? Did they walk there?

Honestly he is just giving excuses before the game. He knows he is incompetent and he knows with his coaching they will lose, so he is just trying to save his own a**.

[Swuul]

Btw, Croatia lost just recently to Finland in a bizzare fashion and was eliminated from World Cup qualifiers so that matchup is 50-50 imho.

Oddscheckker has the win for Croatia 52% and the win for Finland 44% (I suppose the missing 4% are the betting companies cut), which is indeed pretty close to 50-50.

Have to return to this again. Oddschecker now has Finland Win 51% and Croatia Win 47% In all other matches the odds has stayed pretty much same from yesterday, I wonder if there is some recent news I am missing regarding either Team Croatia or Team Finland?

[lambchop]

Another low quality tournament from FIBA. How surprising. The famous names are obviously carrying this show, but FIBA once again is lazy to fix the problems. The reffing has been horrible in so many games and I can imagine it will be even worse next year in world championship.

Also, I'm not a fan of Turkish coach, but he's said it well...what kind of tournament is this. A group had to play in Tbilisi and they traveled for hours to reach Berlin while B group was in Cologne. Turkey could not even hold a proper training before the game and their game is the earliest this Saturday. That is a horrible management on Fiba's behalf. One country, especially a country like Germany, is capable of holding the entire Eurobasket. No need for multiple cities, especially if one of them is so far away.

Their last game was on Wednesday and today is their next game. They didn't have enough time to travel? Did they walk there?

Honestly he is just giving excuses before the game. He knows he is incompetent and he knows with his coaching they will lose, so he is just trying to save his own a**.

I think the tournament is split between countries in order to have a home game atmosphere in every group. That said, Germany could definitely host the thing on its own.

As for the travel bit, yea, Turkey had more than enough time to travel to Germany on Thursday, then get physio and shooting around in on Thursday, plus more of the same on Friday while running through their opponents plays etc. Unless they somehow travelled by bus? It's a 50 hour bus ride. It actually seems very likely they went by bus, if the coach says they didn't have enough time.