Woj/Shams: Ime Udoka Suspended for 2022-23 Season - Inappropriate Relationship, Conduct Violations

[lamscott]

Matt Barnes dropped support of Udoka and said its BAD.

It's fairly logical for it to be bed. I've written this at least 3 times:

- The C's like Udoka.
- A female staffer filed a complaint agaisnt Udoka.
- A relatioship turned from consensual to more than likely harrassment.
- Boston hired a law firm to investigate.

Do you think that it's possible that it isn't bad for Udoka considering all the facts?
I believe he will get fired, suspension is the first step.
I kinda wanted him to stay, but it is what it is and it's his fault. Awful judgement,selfish, putting himself before the team, his fiance, etc, etc, etc.

That is actually the most logical and reasonable. There we be more details but if the Celtics did not fire him, then whatever he did, did not warrant a termination.

[BobbyPortisEyes]

Why isn't he fired already? The investigation has been completed and the Celtics are not waiting for any new intel. Is the plan now to fire him once the Twitterverse knows too much and gets too loud.. and just sit tight until that happens? The Celtics have handled this in such a disastrous way.

[Paradise]

Matt Barnes dropped support of Udoka and said its BAD.

It's fairly logical for it to be bed. I've written this at least 3 times:

- The C's like Udoka.
- A female staffer filed a complaint agaisnt Udoka.
- A relatioship turned from consensual to more than likely harrassment.
- Boston hired a law firm to investigate.

Do you think that it's possible that it isn't bad for Udoka considering all the facts?
I believe he will get fired, suspension is the first step.
I kinda wanted him to stay, but it is what it is and it's his fault. Awful judgement,selfish, putting himself before the team, his fiance, etc, etc, etc.

Nice job taking accountability off of the female staffer for opening her legs and phone number to him personally as well. Anything non consensual is rape. We know that didn’t happen.

This is why this country is going to hell. You can’t act like he is the only one in selfishness when an EMPLOYEE cutting a check from the same owner is also not held accountable because she’s a woman. This is why women around male locker rooms was always considered a bad idea.

[bebopdeluxe]

Is it really that hard not to **** someone you work with AND that you have power over? Couple billion other fish in the sea.

not to excuse what udoka has done but easy access can be extremely tempting. that plus the fact you see these folks every day sometimes more than your own family so you naturally draw a close bond to them

Yup, I've dated co-workers and I started going out with a former boss of mine at my going away party. In the later case, the main reason I left was to pursue that relationship. It is quite normal. I'm middle aged and know multiple married couples via work.

But employers, understandably, don't want boss-employee relationships for several reasons.

1. Consensual relationships can devolve into sexual harassment if the employee knows or feels the boss will retaliate for ending the relationship.

2. The employee's co-workers may think they get special treatment for sleeping with the boss even if the employee hasn't gotten special treatment. This is bad for morale.

3. Employers get especially nervous about bosses who habitually pursue staff members. No guy's radar is 100% correct. If you constantly ask out co-workers, even if you think they are interested, you will miss sometimes and ask out someone who dislikes you but has to pretend otherwise because you are the boss.

4. Sexual harassers will often times exploit other people's consensual relationships. They'll tell their staff that a consensual relationship is really a quid pro quo and if you want to do well here we will have the same.

Excellent post. Well done.

[bebopdeluxe]

Matt Barnes dropped support of Udoka and said its BAD.

It's fairly logical for it to be bed. I've written this at least 3 times:

- The C's like Udoka.
- A female staffer filed a complaint agaisnt Udoka.
- A relatioship turned from consensual to more than likely harrassment.
- Boston hired a law firm to investigate.

Do you think that it's possible that it isn't bad for Udoka considering all the facts?
I believe he will get fired, suspension is the first step.
I kinda wanted him to stay, but it is what it is and it's his fault. Awful judgement,selfish, putting himself before the team, his fiance, etc, etc, etc.

Nice job taking accountability off of the female staffer for opening her legs and phone number to him personally as well. Anything non consensual is rape. We know that didn’t happen.

This is why this country is going to hell. You can’t act like he is the only one in selfishness when an EMPLOYEE cutting a check from the same owner is also not held accountable because she’s a woman. This is why women around male locker rooms was always considered a bad idea.

How can you listen to the video from Matt Barnes - someone who knows FROM PERSONAL CONTACTS way more that YOU about what happened - and still have this take? Huh?

Posts like THIS are why this country is going to hell, IMO.

[BaY AReA NaTiVe]

It's fairly logical for it to be bed. I've written this at least 3 times:

- The C's like Udoka.
- A female staffer filed a complaint agaisnt Udoka.
- A relatioship turned from consensual to more than likely harrassment.
- Boston hired a law firm to investigate.

Do you think that it's possible that it isn't bad for Udoka considering all the facts?
I believe he will get fired, suspension is the first step.
I kinda wanted him to stay, but it is what it is and it's his fault. Awful judgement,selfish, putting himself before the team, his fiance, etc, etc, etc.

Nice job taking accountability off of the female staffer for opening her legs and phone number to him personally as well. Anything non consensual is rape. We know that didn’t happen.

This is why this country is going to hell. You can’t act like he is the only one in selfishness when an EMPLOYEE cutting a check from the same owner is also not held accountable because she’s a woman. This is why women around male locker rooms was always considered a bad idea.

How can you listen to the video from Matt Barnes - someone who knows FROM PERSONAL CONTACTS way more that YOU about what happened - and still have this take? Huh?

Posts like THIS are why this country is going to hell, IMO.

Kendrick Perkins also said the same thing about knowing more and held both accountable but to be fair at this point we just won't know more until something further gets leaked out

[Tomtolbert]

Why isn't he fired already? The investigation has been completed and the Celtics are not waiting for any new intel. Is the plan now to fire him once the Twitterverse knows too much and gets too loud.. and just sit tight until that happens? The Celtics have handled this in such a disastrous way.

On what basis exactly, can we assume the Celtics have handed this poorly? And how exactly do you know he should be fired at this moment? Why jump to all these conclusions when the Celtics are the ones who have all the information, and we just have limited tidbits and leaks/tweets/rumors of unproven veracity?

[hauntedcomputer]

The more I read this thread, and see so many outrageous takes, the more that famous quote comes to mind "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt".
How about we wait and see what the real story is before we start tearing down innocent bystanders (like so many of the Celtic's female staff members who had nothing to do with this situation), or making up so many incredible theories to try to fill in the blanks.

I'll bet this thread sets a RealGM record for deletes, edits, and "Somebody hacked my account" denials once the real truth or at least the polished official semi-truth emerges. Some of these taeks are pathetic reaches and others make me feel bad for the human race.

Like "sleep with whoever you want to, none of my business" and immediately deep-diving into the Celtics personnel records to rank hotness and speculate wildly. Weak.

[bebopdeluxe]

Why isn't he fired already? The investigation has been completed and the Celtics are not waiting for any new intel. Is the plan now to fire him once the Twitterverse knows too much and gets too loud.. and just sit tight until that happens? The Celtics have handled this in such a disastrous way.

On what basis exactly, can we assume the Celtics have handed this poorly? And how exactly do you know he should be fired at this moment? Why jump to all these conclusions when the Celtics are the ones who have all the information, and we just have limited tidbits and leaks/tweets/rumors of unproven veracity?

I am sure that the Celtics are properly lawyered up and - given the current status of the situation - they decided this was the best course of action. The fact that Udoka is not fighting this is very telling.

My guess is the person(s) inside the Celtics org that were impacted by Udoka's actions don't want it to go any further - because their names will be revealed, and living-in-their-parents-basement incels will make their lives a living hell. My guess is to go to the next step - voiding the contract - would probably be fought by Ukoka and would probably lead the woman (or women) to be revealed publically - which is something that the women and the team would like to avoid. Also - if they can keep the more sordid detalis out of the press (or a courtroom), there is a better chance that the Celtics give Udoka permission to find another job and some team potentially gives him another chance.

[bebopdeluxe]

The more I read this thread, and see so many outrageous takes, the more that famous quote comes to mind "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt".
How about we wait and see what the real story is before we start tearing down innocent bystanders (like so many of the Celtic's female staff members who had nothing to do with this situation), or making up so many incredible theories to try to fill in the blanks.

I'll bet this thread sets a RealGM record for deletes, edits, and "Somebody hacked my account" denials once the real truth or at least the polished official semi-truth emerges. Some of these taeks are pathetic reaches and others make me feel bad for the human race.

It is a sad commentary on humanity that I give this post a rec.

[Cubbies2120]

Matt Barnes dropped support of Udoka and said its BAD.

It's fairly logical for it to be bed. I've written this at least 3 times:

- The C's like Udoka.
- A female staffer filed a complaint agaisnt Udoka.
- A relatioship turned from consensual to more than likely harrassment.
- Boston hired a law firm to investigate.

Do you think that it's possible that it isn't bad for Udoka considering all the facts?
I believe he will get fired, suspension is the first step.
I kinda wanted him to stay, but it is what it is and it's his fault. Awful judgement,selfish, putting himself before the team, his fiance, etc, etc, etc.

Nice job taking accountability off of the female staffer for opening her legs and phone number to him personally as well. Anything non consensual is rape. We know that didn’t happen.

This is why this country is going to hell. You can’t act like he is the only one in selfishness when an EMPLOYEE cutting a check from the same owner is also not held accountable because she’s a woman. This is why women around male locker rooms was always considered a bad idea.

Would you hold a janitor to the same standards as you would hold the CEO of a company? One is in the public eye, getting paid SIGNIFICANTLY more, and with that comes more pressure, higher standards, etc.

Also, "anything non consensual is rape" applies only to the sex part of this. However, if it started as a consensual relationship, and then she cut him off, and he continued to pursue her, it's harassment as well.

[BobbyPortisEyes]

Why isn't he fired already? The investigation has been completed and the Celtics are not waiting for any new intel. Is the plan now to fire him once the Twitterverse knows too much and gets too loud.. and just sit tight until that happens? The Celtics have handled this in such a disastrous way.

On what basis exactly, can we assume the Celtics have handed this poorly? And how exactly do you know he should be fired at this moment? Why jump to all these conclusions when the Celtics are the ones who have all the information, and we just have limited tidbits and leaks/tweets/rumors of unproven veracity?

It's not a question of whether he should be fired as in what's right or wrong.. it's just common sense that this is what it's heading towards and there's no other roadmap. You can't undo the suspension and you certainly can't bring him back after a whole year of sitting out.. the optics are just horrendous. So the question is why they are prolonging it? Most likely it's a legal conflict. Celtics want to void his contract and he wants to keep his money as any person would.

[CIN-C-STAR]

Just sucks for the Celtics that Will Hardy left for the Jazz shortly before all this came to pass.
For a young team coming off a Finals appearance, losing your head coach and his top assistant in one offseason is rough.

[Ayt]

Matt Barnes dropped support of Udoka and said its BAD.

It's fairly logical for it to be bed. I've written this at least 3 times:

- The C's like Udoka.
- A female staffer filed a complaint agaisnt Udoka.
- A relatioship turned from consensual to more than likely harrassment.
- Boston hired a law firm to investigate.

Do you think that it's possible that it isn't bad for Udoka considering all the facts?
I believe he will get fired, suspension is the first step.
I kinda wanted him to stay, but it is what it is and it's his fault. Awful judgement,selfish, putting himself before the team, his fiance, etc, etc, etc.

Nice job taking accountability off of the female staffer for opening her legs and phone number to him personally as well. Anything non consensual is rape. We know that didn’t happen.

This is why this country is going to hell. You can’t act like he is the only one in selfishness when an EMPLOYEE cutting a check from the same owner is also not held accountable because she’s a woman. This is why women around male locker rooms was always considered a bad idea.

You literally can't even comprehend what is going on in this situation, yet you have thoughts on "why the country is going to hell."

[NZB2323]

Everyone in the league got the memo now:

Actually Udoka could have banged 99% of the population and not got in trouble. Just don’t hang someone who is your subordinate at work, and if you do and things end, don’t harass her.

[JimmyPlopper]

That's because I said 2-4 women daily and you are thinking about 2-4 different women daily like I will only sleep with someone once. Not true. They come in and out of my life. This past week I literally slept with 3 different women that I hadn't seen in 2 years combined with at least 4 other women but I don't feel like counting all the way

I repeat : go get some help

Why can't you accept me for being different. Everyone isn't made the same. Again, people know that I don't brag about this or even speak in my D in real life. You won't hear me bragging to people about some chick that I banged. I'm not some goofy rapper. We're grown and it stays between her and I where it needs to be

Some types of different are objectively worse (like in your case). It's a shame for you if what you said is true. Hopefully you can get it figured out.

[Ill News]

Just sucks for the Celtics that Will Hardy left for the Jazz shortly before all this came to pass.
For a young team coming off a Finals appearance, losing your head coach and his top assistant in one offseason is rough.

Yup. The whole situation is heartbreaking because of all the names (female staffers) being dragged into it by senseless Twitter and media speculation, that worrying about the players themselves feels irrelevant now. But if we're just gonna focus on it from a purely basketball point of view, this is devastating for the team's morale especially after just being in the Finals a few months ago and reloading your already talented roster for another go at it. Don't be surprised if the Celtics underperform this season relative to their expectations because of this scandal (they'll also be led by a coach who's younger than their oldest player...).

[bisme37]

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My very chubby cat got tripped up and "plopped" down on the floor last night and without thinking I called her Jimmy Plopper haha. Yet another indication that I spend way too much time on this website.

[JimmyPlopper]

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My very chubby cat got tripped up and "plopped" down on the floor last night and without thinking I called her Jimmy Plopper haha. Yet another indication that I spend way too much time on this website.

I feel honored honestly

[Pointgod]

Matt Barnes dropped support of Udoka and said its BAD.

It's fairly logical for it to be bed. I've written this at least 3 times:

- The C's like Udoka.
- A female staffer filed a complaint agaisnt Udoka.
- A relatioship turned from consensual to more than likely harrassment.
- Boston hired a law firm to investigate.

Do you think that it's possible that it isn't bad for Udoka considering all the facts?
I believe he will get fired, suspension is the first step.
I kinda wanted him to stay, but it is what it is and it's his fault. Awful judgement,selfish, putting himself before the team, his fiance, etc, etc, etc.

Nice job taking accountability off of the female staffer for opening her legs and phone number to him personally as well. Anything non consensual is rape. We know that didn’t happen.

This is why this country is going to hell. You can’t act like he is the only one in selfishness when an EMPLOYEE cutting a check from the same owner is also not held accountable because she’s a woman. This is why women around male locker rooms was always considered a bad idea.

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Personal attack are not allowed. Please don't turn this thread into an insult battle. -b