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JustBuzzin wrote:At what point do we start talking about SGA in the MVP conversation?
Crazy as it sounds he's kind of been under the radar with the Chet hype. This dude might legit be a top 7 player in the league right now. OKC gets that #1 seed I think he can make a real push to upset Embiid for MVP.
tlee324 wrote:
Lebron made it to the finals with that cleveland team.
Bird would have won 4 rings with that team, in this weak ass era of basketball.
True, good point.LordCovington33 wrote:eyeatoma wrote:_NoMas wrote:Funny to see how prominent PER has become on this thread this year, when it was often used as a stick to beat Jokic with (so to speak) for being ‘the advanced stats man’ over eye test
Embiid has the stats and PER, thats' the crazy thing. Last year Jokic had PER, and all advanced stats. But this year Embiid has many of the advanced stats, and ridiculous raw stats.
Last season, PER was a non-issue as Embiid (31.69) and Jokic (31.78) were so close. This season Embiid is 34.9 and the next closest is 31.48. So, yes, the difference is significant enough to be taken into consideration.
eyeatoma wrote:True, good point.LordCovington33 wrote:eyeatoma wrote:
Embiid has the stats and PER, thats' the crazy thing. Last year Jokic had PER, and all advanced stats. But this year Embiid has many of the advanced stats, and ridiculous raw stats.
Last season, PER was a non-issue as Embiid (31.69) and Jokic (31.78) were so close. This season Embiid is 34.9 and the next closest is 31.48. So, yes, the difference is significant enough to be taken into consideration.
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We're not talking about Shai.timO wrote:eyeatoma wrote:True, good point.LordCovington33 wrote:Last season, PER was a non-issue as Embiid (31.69) and Jokic (31.78) were so close. This season Embiid is 34.9 and the next closest is 31.48. So, yes, the difference is significant enough to be taken into consideration.
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PER favours big men, so a C vs a G is a joke of stat
last year were C vs C, so do u understand?
eyeatoma wrote:We're not talking about Shai.timO wrote:eyeatoma wrote:True, good point.
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PER favours big men, so a C vs a G is a joke of stat
last year were C vs C, so do u understand?
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It's Embiid and him, 1 and 2 in my rankings.timO wrote:eyeatoma wrote:We're not talking about Shai.timO wrote:
PER favours big men, so a C vs a G is a joke of stat
last year were C vs C, so do u understand?
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ok but Shai is second in PER so...
LordCovington33 wrote:Mavrelous wrote:_NoMas wrote:Embiid/ SGA
Jokic/Giannis
Luka
Everybody else.
For the time being I still have Embiid ahead, but if he was to miss more time this month I could easily see SGA being the front runner
SGA is already the front runner IMO...
SGA
Embiid
Jokic
Giannis
Luka
Nobody is close to Embiid’s PER and his winning percentage (games in which he has played) is higher.
eyeatoma wrote:Mavrelous wrote:LordCovington33 wrote:
Nobody is close to Embiid’s PER and his winning percentage (games in which he has played) is higher.
Embiid winning percentage is heavily skewed by his injured games, and PER favours bigs because of the rebounds...
I think the 2 are close, and in case they are close, SGA should win it (for that reason specifically I supported Embiid for MVP last year).
SGA has been incredible, but the efficiency with which Embiid is scoring, rebounding and passing has been otherworldly. On top of that he's playing great defense like SGA. Embiid is also still averaging more points than minutes per game.
If both of them are tied with records I'll go with Embiid. If you can average 34 ppg+ on 65% TS, you are in another stratosphere.
In addition to PER, Embiid's EPM is 11 and SGA is 10.3. SGA had an opportunity to retake that lead, and he wasn't able to over the last week, in a stat that SGA was leading for about a month. Shows you how incredible Embiid has been. And unlike PER, there isn't a heavy skew of rebounds for EPM.
Let's also not forget that he's put up these numbers while not playing the 4th quarter for 9 games. If he wanted he could have easily padded his stats and dropped 40-50 in most of those games, and had an insurmountable statistical lead.
shrink wrote:“Shai Gilgeous-Alexander to me is at the top of the MVP discussion, along with Anthony Edwards, who somehow doesn’t get mentioned. We got to get over this whole thing that you got to play in Los Angeles or a big market to be considered, primarily for MVP.”
Michael Wilbon
I’m a Wolves fan, but I don’t put Ant at the same level as SGA, Jokic, Embiid or Giannis. At least not yet.
eyeatoma wrote:_NoMas wrote:Funny to see how prominent PER has become on this thread this year, when it was often used as a stick to beat Jokic with (so to speak) for being ‘the advanced stats man’ over eye test
Embiid has the stats and PER, thats' the crazy thing. Last year Jokic had PER, and all advanced stats. But this year Embiid has many of the advanced stats, and ridiculous raw stats.
