German Newspaper: Dirk defeats ghetto basketball

[Silk Wilkes]

So when you think of rock and roll .... you don't think of those things? I would say it would be rare that a musician / singer in rock is not white. In addition, when I think of the life they live it comes from sex, orgys, drugs.... insufferable divas that operate with no rules or boundaries.

Agree or disagree?

Well, there's always two sides to a story.

not sure I understand this reply.

Not all Rock & Roll artists fit the degenerate description.

[LLcoleJ]

Not all Rock & Roll artists fit the degenerate description.

Of course. But wouldn't that be the exception and not the rule?

[Sabas11]

Having travelled all over, Europe is much more racist towards immigrants and black people. Atleast in the US its somewhat hidden. In Europe people say things openly that would get them fired here. You also have right wing anti immigration parties that would never pass muster here.

My grandfather was in WW2. All black squadron which was part of the 1st Americans to reach the concentration camps. He said that Germans at that point had never seen black ppl before and that the Germans actually thought that black men had tails b/c they thought they were monkeys. He said the ppl would ask them where are your tails and that they were dead serious.

I was laughing so hard after reading that post I had to stop reading the thread.

Thank you. Thank you RealGM, you will never cease to amaze me.

[Sixerlover]

It's a not a racist article . Not a good one one either but it's not in any form meant racist , maybe poor choice of words but oh well .

The implication is painfully obvious.

[Silk Wilkes]

Not all Rock & Roll artists fit the degenerate description.

Of course. But wouldn't that be the exception and not the rule?

Maybe, I don't have knowledge about Rock & Roll artists besides what people who listen to it tell me. That's the reason why I can't compare anyone to Rock & Roll artists, just like the people in this thread who know nothing about Hip-Hop. It's all in the fairness of equality.

[Foye]

I just started reading the original German article. I stopped when it said Allan Iverson.

That article is just a piece of sh*t by an author looking for some attention.

Most of these sports authors here have probably less knowledge about the NBA than a 10 y/o kid in America.

[mysticbb]

And then it piles on with further falsehoods like Dirk being the first white MVP since Bird.

The article actually isn't saying that. There is a box about the finals series in which is written that Nowitzki won the finals MVP award, the first white player since Bird.

Whether the article's racist or not, it's useless. It's clearly written by someone who hasn't paid more than 4 seconds' worth of attention to the NBA. Skip Bayless' opinions are more worthy of serious consideration, and he's a professional troll.

While I agree that the article isn't worth much, I just want to say it again that most of that stuff comes form Bill Reiter, an author for foxsports. The whole article seems like just a compilation of Reiter's work. Someone else actually listed the links to the article by Reiter in this thread already.

[mysticbb]

I just started reading the original German article. I stopped when it said Allan Iverson. :lol:

You should have read until he mentioned Steve Nash, in a way as if Nash is some selfish player. Really weird stuff.

[LLcoleJ]

Not all Rock & Roll artists fit the degenerate description.

Of course. But wouldn't that be the exception and not the rule?

Maybe, I don't have knowledge about Rock & Roll artists besides what people who listen to it tell me. That's the reason why I can't compare anyone to Rock & Roll artists, just like the people in this thread who know nothing about Hip-Hop. It's all in the fairness of equality.

I don't think you are I are disagreeing on too much here. I just sense that you think it's incorrect to associate hiphop with the ghetto, right?

[Silk Wilkes]

Of course. But wouldn't that be the exception and not the rule?

Maybe, I don't have knowledge about Rock & Roll artists besides what people who listen to it tell me. That's the reason why I can't compare anyone to Rock & Roll artists, just like the people in this thread who know nothing about Hip-Hop. It's all in the fairness of equality.

I don't think you are I are disagreeing on too much here. I just sense that you think it's incorrect to associate hiphop with the ghetto, right?

We haven't disagreed once from what I can tell. And yes, you're right on the message I'm trying to convey.

[BubbaTee]

It proves that association solely between hip-hop, blacks and degenerates is false.

The attributes that were listed as "degenerative" not only had nothing to do with hip-hop, they had nothing to do with music at all. They were just general undesirable personality traits.

People are actually defending the typical mannerisms being promoted by today's degenerative urban hip-hop culture?

What exactly do the Heat do that classifies them into your clearly racist view of "degenerative" hip-hop culture?

1. Disrespectful
2. Self-entitled
3. Stupid
4. Arrogant

None of that has anything to do with music, of any genre.

You could just as easily apply those same 4 qualities to certain movie stars, or religious leaders, or politicians, or CEOs, or children, or cops, or any number of people.

[hebrewhammer]

Hail Hitler its all I got from this.

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Heil Hitler is what you mean.

Nazis were more about "Weimar Republic crushing the national soul of the German people" "we need to nationalize industry to mobilize the collective Aryan spirit" and "Pan Germanism is the road to the future"

blacks were an afterthought. like Indians or Chinese.

If anything it reminds me of good old fashioned American racism, West Coast style when people were crying about rap music and LAPD were pulling over black, latino and Asian kids to beat the **** out of them randomly.

whoever said this is based on crap from some American writer is probably the closest.

anyways I loled coz it's so honest in a way. in America you'd see the same racism sublimated. admit it 90% of viewers think of team ball as "white" and while they wont out and out say someone like Lebron is ghetto they'll use code words like "lack of leadership" "selfish" "arrogant" or question his integrity like they do with Cam Newton, Vick and others

[LLcoleJ]

We haven't disagreed once from what I can tell. And yes, you're right on the message I'm trying to convey.

Personally, I think hip-hop is great because it comes from real life experiences. Growing up in a 'fd up neighborhood, with poverty, drugs, violence. I think you would be hard pressed to find hip hop artists who don't come from these places. That doesn't mean they are bad, it means where they come from are. Which in turn inspires them to create their music.

Racial lines in the US have been drawn since the inception of this country and is rampant around the world. That doesnt mean anyone who listens/creates hip hop is a thug but that also don't exclude the fact that most, if not all ghetto thugs listen to hip-hop rather than Pink Floyd.

[Silk Wilkes]

We haven't disagreed once from what I can tell. And yes, you're right on the message I'm trying to convey.

Personally, I think hip-hop is great because it comes from real life experiences. Growing up in a 'fd up neighborhood, with poverty, drugs, violence. I think you would be hard pressed to find hip hop artists who don't come from these places. That doesn't mean they are bad, it means where they come from are. Which in turn inspires them to create their music.

Racial lines in the US have been drawn since the inception of this country and is rampant around the world. That doesnt mean anyone who listens/creates hip hop is a thug but that also don't exclude the fact that most, if not all ghetto thugs listen to hip-hop rather than Pink Floyd.

QFT

[Ditchweed]

Ladies and gentlemen, the country that gave us Adolph Hitler and the Holocaust. Give it up!

It also gave you the largest group of Americans. The highest ethnic origin group is German.

http://names.mongabay.com/ancestry/ance ... ation.html

Actually that's not true

According to American Community Survey in 2009 data, Americans reporting British ancestry made up an estimated (40,234,652) or 13.0% of the total U.S. population, and form the second largest European ancestry group after German Americans. This is an approx 35% drop from the population figures derived from the 1980 United States Census.

However, demographers regard this as an undercount as the index of inconsistency is high, and many, if not most, people from English stock have a tendency to identify simply as Americans or, if of mixed European ancestry, nominate a more recent and differentiated ethnic group. Consequently, most white Americans have at least some British ancestry, including many who identify primarily with other ethnic groups (such as Irish, German, Scandinavian, Italian, and so forth).

In the 1980 United States Census, over 61 million (61,311,449) Americans claimed British ancestry, at the time around 32.56% of the total population and largest reported group which, even today, would make them the largest ethnic group in the United States. This outnumbered the population of Great Britain at the time.

The British number around 72 million vs 51 million Germans. My bad for going off-topic but i had to correct that misconception.

If true, so be it and good to make the correction to get the right facts stated. My reference was an older one. First or second really doesn't matter, the idea is to let people know that ethnic Germans represent a large portion of the US makeup.

[Scorpion King]

I would like to reiterate what others have mentioned numerous times. Translation is taken out of context. Its comparing systems, individual vs team.

It did mention the NBA culture in the late 90's. The article is poorly written and the writer is knowledgeable and it is intended for German readers.

I would take this with grain of salt.

[Jimmy Recard]

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[ClosetMonkey]

I'm German, and am appalled of this article. This does not represent the opinion of Germans towards tolerance, racial prejudices etc. at all.
I do not know any other person who shares such kind of attitude. The only thing which sounds plausible to me, is that he utters this in order to gain attention.

[droponov]

We haven't disagreed once from what I can tell. And yes, you're right on the message I'm trying to convey.

Personally, I think hip-hop is great because it comes from real life experiences.

As opposed to other musical genres that come from artificial life ones?

[LLcoleJ]

We haven't disagreed once from what I can tell. And yes, you're right on the message I'm trying to convey.

Personally, I think hip-hop is great because it comes from real life experiences.

As opposed to other musical genres that come from artificial life ones?

context is key if you are going to jump in.