Jeremy Lin got benched tonight in OT

[Kibago]

as someone who watched this game, this was inexplicable as it was happening and it might have lost them the game.
hopefully for them it was a fluke coaching-wise.

[JF5]

It was for defensive purposes.... But obviously that didn't work...

[inquisitive]

mistake by Sampson, but hey, it happened...time to move on.

[East_Coast]

Let me break it down for you before you go off some wild tangent.

Your opinion is that Lin gets abused by "quick, explosive guards" every game and can't stay in front of Lillard.

The FACT is that Lin is posting elite defensive ratings across the board by any objective measurements, and he also held Lillard in check the entire time.

Now, please reconcile facts and opinion. Refrain from passive aggressive personal attacks please.

Where can one find these "elite defensive ratings" for Lin?

Again, I direct you to what I posted. I did not see the entire game, but when I turned in it was obvious to me that Lin couldn't stay in front of Lillard. As Lillard was making his cuts, Lin was reduced to reaching and flailing.

I'm assuming that the coach saw the same thing, and sat Lin down in the overtime. I can't attest to what happened the rest of the game, but what I saw was very clear.

I also recall Lawson lighting Lin up for (I believe), about 15 points in the first half of a game earlier this season.

I don't care what "elite defensive ratings" you're putting so much faith in, but if there's a choice of a defender to go against a very quick guard, it would not be Lin, imo.

[sirdeadcat]

Where can one find these "elite defensive ratings" for Lin?

Again, I direct you to what I posted. I did not see the entire game, but when I turned in it was obvious to me that Lin couldn't stay in front of Lillard. As Lillard was making his cuts, Lin was reduced to reaching and flailing.

I'm assuming that the coach saw the same thing, and sat Lin down in the overtime. I can't attest to what happened the rest of the game, but what I saw was very clear.

I also recall Lawson lighting Lin up for (I believe), about 15 points in the first half of a game earlier this season.

I don't care what "elite defensive ratings" you're putting so much faith in, but if there's a choice of a defender to go against a very quick guard, it would not be Lin, imo.

According to synergy sports, Lin was 14th in PPP allowed prior to the game. That's 14th among all players, not just point guards. That's a FACT. In other words, there's only 13 other players that allowed less points when they are involved in a play this season. This is out of >100 play sample size. You don't get that kind of stats by "reaching and flailing". In other words, your opinion does not reconcile with the facts on the ground. Please justify your opinion with something more concrete than "I saw", because apparently, there's something else clouding your view and judgement of the game.

[Rallyks]

Lin's defensive numbers cannot be denied. Instead of asking someone to post the numbers, why don't you get off your lazy ass and type some characters into your web browser

From what I've seen, Lin's been most successful when he's allowed to initiate the offense. He's struggled when he's been regulated to off ball cuts and spot up shooting, that's just not his game.

[Durant Durant]

Where can one find these "elite defensive ratings" for Lin?

Again, I direct you to what I posted. I did not see the entire game, but when I turned in it was obvious to me that Lin couldn't stay in front of Lillard. As Lillard was making his cuts, Lin was reduced to reaching and flailing.

I'm assuming that the coach saw the same thing, and sat Lin down in the overtime. I can't attest to what happened the rest of the game, but what I saw was very clear.

I also recall Lawson lighting Lin up for (I believe), about 15 points in the first half of a game earlier this season.

I don't care what "elite defensive ratings" you're putting so much faith in, but if there's a choice of a defender to go against a very quick guard, it would not be Lin, imo.

According to synergy sports, Lin was 14th in PPP allowed prior to the game. That's 14th among all players, not just point guards. That's a FACT. In other words, there's only 13 other players that allowed less points when they are involved in a play this season. This is out of >100 play sample size. You don't get that kind of stats by "reaching and flailing". In other words, your opinion does not reconcile with the facts on the ground. Please justify your opinion with something more concrete than "I saw", because apparently, there's something else clouding your view and judgement of the game.

Just ignore him cat, obviously the hate is strong in that one. He's still butthurt why Lin took the starting job from his boy Toney. Lmao.

[sirdeadcat]

Where can one find these "elite defensive ratings" for Lin?

Again, I direct you to what I posted. I did not see the entire game, but when I turned in it was obvious to me that Lin couldn't stay in front of Lillard. As Lillard was making his cuts, Lin was reduced to reaching and flailing.

I'm assuming that the coach saw the same thing, and sat Lin down in the overtime. I can't attest to what happened the rest of the game, but what I saw was very clear.

I also recall Lawson lighting Lin up for (I believe), about 15 points in the first half of a game earlier this season.

I don't care what "elite defensive ratings" you're putting so much faith in, but if there's a choice of a defender to go against a very quick guard, it would not be Lin, imo.

According to synergy sports, Lin was 14th in PPP allowed prior to the game. That's 14th among all players, not just point guards. That's a FACT. In other words, there's only 13 other players that allowed less points when they are involved in a play this season. This is out of >100 play sample size. You don't get that kind of stats by "reaching and flailing". In other words, your opinion does not reconcile with the facts on the ground. Please justify your opinion with something more concrete than "I saw", because apparently, there's something else clouding your view and judgement of the game.

Just ignore him cat, obviously the hate is strong in that one. He's still butthurt why Lin took the starting job from his boy Toney. Lmao.

Nah, I want to see him answer a direct question.

Here's a shot chart for East_coast

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart ... =400277849

Lillard made a grand total of 1 layup (While being guarded by chandler parson). He shot 3/9 with 0 assist while being guarded by Jeremy Lin. Now, please, justify your opinion with facts and figures. You know, something you learned in school.

[Rallyks]

Nah, I want to see him answer a direct question.

Here's a shot chart for East_coast

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart ... =400277849

Lillard made a grand total of 1 layup (While being guarded by chandler parson). He shot 3/9 with 0 assist while being guarded by Jeremy Lin. Now, please, justify your opinion with facts and figures. You know, something you learned in school.

He already explained himself. It's easy to understand.

All you need to do is watch two or three possessions in a single game to determine whether or not a player is a good defender

[sirdeadcat]

Nah, I want to see him answer a direct question.

Here's a shot chart for East_coast

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart ... =400277849

Lillard made a grand total of 1 layup (While being guarded by chandler parson). He shot 3/9 with 0 assist while being guarded by Jeremy Lin. Now, please, justify your opinion with facts and figures. You know, something you learned in school.

He already explained himself. It's easy to understand.

All you need to do is watch two or three possessions in a single game to determine whether or not a player is a good defender or not.

As I said, he's entitled to his own opinion, not his own facts. He's free to admit that everything he said is his personal opinion, and has nothing to do with reality.

[Rallyks]

Nah, I want to see him answer a direct question.

Here's a shot chart for East_coast

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart ... =400277849

Lillard made a grand total of 1 layup (While being guarded by chandler parson). He shot 3/9 with 0 assist while being guarded by Jeremy Lin. Now, please, justify your opinion with facts and figures. You know, something you learned in school.

He already explained himself. It's easy to understand.

All you need to do is watch two or three possessions in a single game to determine whether or not a player is a good defender or not.

As I said, he's entitled to his own opinion, not his own facts. He's free to admit that everything he said is his personal opinion, and has nothing to do with reality.

I'm poking fun of the fact that even he said he only watched a couple minutes of the game and determined Lin was awful defensively against Lillard.

He's clearly fabricating facts to facilitate his agenda.

[Never Wrong]

Nah, I want to see him answer a direct question.

Here's a shot chart for East_coast

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart ... =400277849

Lillard made a grand total of 1 layup (While being guarded by chandler parson). He shot 3/9 with 0 assist while being guarded by Jeremy Lin. Now, please, justify your opinion with facts and figures. You know, something you learned in school.

He already explained himself. It's easy to understand.

All you need to do is watch two or three possessions in a single game to determine whether or not a player is a good defender or not.

As I said, he's entitled to his own opinion, not his own facts. He's free to admit that everything he said is his personal opinion, and has nothing to do with reality.

[realgm1980]

Let me break it down for you before you go off some wild tangent.

Your opinion is that Lin gets abused by "quick, explosive guards" every game and can't stay in front of Lillard.

The FACT is that Lin is posting elite defensive ratings across the board by any objective measurements, and he also held Lillard in check the entire time.

Now, please reconcile facts and opinion. Refrain from passive aggressive personal attacks please.

Where can one find these "elite defensive ratings" for Lin?

Again, I direct you to what I posted. I did not see the entire game, but when I turned in it was obvious to me that Lin couldn't stay in front of Lillard. As Lillard was making his cuts, Lin was reduced to reaching and flailing.

I'm assuming that the coach saw the same thing, and sat Lin down in the overtime. I can't attest to what happened the rest of the game, but what I saw was very clear.

I also recall Lawson lighting Lin up for (I believe), about 15 points in the first half of a game earlier this season.

I don't care what "elite defensive ratings" you're putting so much faith in, but if there's a choice of a defender to go against a very quick guard, it would not be Lin, imo.

according to game log
http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameI ... 9&period=0
lawson shoot 5-12 for 12 point against lin
4-8 for 9 point against douglas

[NashtyNas]

Lin isn't very good. That's what happened.

do you even watch basketball? Lin played a great game tonight did a little of everything as usual. Douglas 9 pts 2 assists 2-11 shooting in 23min. Typical butthurt Knicks fan. And you wonder why people hate Knicks fans.

Define "great" please?

11 points on 3/8 shooting with 3 TO's and 4 fouls in 36 minutes is not great whatsoever, it's mediocre.
Yeah he made up for it with the play making but that's because other guys were making shots, not because he was creating excellent opportunities for them that Douglas couldn't (which is why you say McHale go to Douglas down the stretch). Now, it didn't work because Douglas sucks but that's besides the point.

Jeremy Lin played an okay game, probably shouldn't have been benched, definitely NOT for Toney Douglas; but please don't act like he had some astonishing game and got benched, or he's Kobe and he got benched, because neither is the case. He's a young player trying to prove himself, he's going to get benched. It's not a big deal, he's not Kobe/LeBron/Durant.

[Ginger Bean]

Yeah he made up for it with the play making but that's because other guys were making shots, not because he was creating excellent opportunities for them that Douglas couldn't (which is why you say McHale go to Douglas down the stretch). Now, it didn't work because Douglas sucks but that's besides the point.

You kind of disqualified yourself there.

[East_Coast]

Nah, I want to see him answer a direct question.

Here's a shot chart for East_coast

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart ... =400277849

Lillard made a grand total of 1 layup (While being guarded by chandler parson). He shot 3/9 with 0 assist while being guarded by Jeremy Lin. Now, please, justify your opinion with facts and figures. You know, something you learned in school.

I see the stat brigaide is out in force today.

I asked for the source of the "elite defensive rating" because I wanted to know. There are lots of places to pull up stats from, and if I'm going to argue a point at least I should know what the other person is referencing.

As far as the rest of the posts, this is the third time I've said that I didn't see the entire game and my impressions were formed in the minutes before the OT, when Lin had trouble keeping Lillard in front of him.

Stats say one thing, but if the figures contradict the eye test, then I'll trust my judgment over a computer.

[blazinskillz]

Funny this guy still has hype. I don't care if you guys attack me but looking at advance statistics this early in the season is rubbish. Especially when the other guy doesnt play equal minutes. For the record, Douglas does suck, even moreso but they're not too far from each other. And LMAO at him being the 14 best overall defender. Stan Van Gundy said he loves advance statistics, PER and all that, but you can't get a grasp for the defensive side of things because it doesnt take into defensive schemes teams may have and whatnot.

[East_Coast]

http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=400277779&period=0
lawson shoot 5-12 for 12 point against lin
4-8 for 9 point against douglas

The problem with a source like this is obvious. The game log can tell you who was on the court at a given time, and thus likely to be defending a given player, but it can't give you the manner in which it was done.

How easily is the offensive player getting to the hoop? How much resistance is given? Is there defensive help? Are there double teams?

I prefer to go by what I can see. Its also quite telling that the coaching staff doesn't seem to be very confident in Lin's defense -- but I guess the excuse will be that Sampson is incompetent. Its always soeone else's fault but Jeremy's. You fanboys are going to raise a spoiled child.

[sirdeadcat]

I said before the season started that Lin would get abused nightly by quick, explosive guards, and its happening.

Of which I showed you that Lin's been doing the exact opposite. These quick, explosive guards been chucking up inefficient shots so far this season. Please reconcile facts and opinion.

As far as the rest of the posts, this is the third time I've said that I didn't see the entire game and my impressions were formed in the minutes before the OT, when Lin had trouble keeping Lillard in front of him.

Therefore, I showed you the shot chart and game stats showing Lillard was denied penetration for the overwhelmingly majority of plays.

Stats say one thing, but if the figures contradict the eye test, then I'll trust my judgment over a computer.

No, its your judgement and opinion against cold hard facts. Aren't we glad that you are just some guy in front of a computer and not the ultimate arbitrator of basketball talent. Again, you are entitled to your opinion, not your own facts.

[East_Coast]

[Therefore, I showed you the shot chart and game stats showing Lillard was denied penetration for the overwhelmingly majority of plays, and none at the minutes before OT.

This is a flat-out lie. Just a blatant lie. Did you watch the game at all, for all your pontificating?

From the Game Log near the end of regulation when Lin was defending Lillard:

108-109 Damian Lillard makes driving layup

108-111 Damian Lillard makes two point shot

Those were two daggars by Lillard on Lin, and that's what I saw.