Stein: Mozgov Traded To Cleveland For 2 First Round Picks

[tidho]

Wow, Bulls and Heat fans really think Cleveland screwed this one up.

[Michael Lucky]

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I'm sick of this . bulls need to enter this sweepstakes. 2nd round pick to okc for Anthony morrow. If all it takes is a crapy pick to become major contenders. How bout tony Snell for Kevin martin. The gm`s are drunk for already championship teams so why not join in. Waiters got gift wrapped to okc for bordenline trash. Caves lose one player and gain 3 needed players. Hell let's trade taj Gibson for LA Marcus aldridge

yeah they traded one player for a guy that is worse and plays the same while adding another who's likely to bust out of the league and seemingly always injured. Then they replace Verajao with Mozgov when the former is the better of the two. I don't see how they've gotten better at all unless you're really in the business of overvaluing Mozgov.

Usually when people talk about if a deal makes a team better they are referring to the team before the trade and the team after the trade. I'm not sure why your definition includes a comparison from before Andy is injured, lol. If the Lakers traded Nash for Westbrook tommorow would that make them better, or is the answer no because that '85/86 team was really stacked?

Because i'm looking at the whole picture, not whether or not they are slightly better today than yesterday. The point is with Varejao they were far from looking like contenders. Now they replace the loss of Varejao with a player that isn't as good as him. Thus they still don't look like contenders while also sending two first round picks out with one that could end up being a lottery pick.

[IFeelsYaBrah]

Even though they paid a lot for a player of his caliber, this is a good move. The cavs are in win-now mode, and if this move pans out well the team will have a better chance of winning it all. They have to go all-out while Lebron is still in his prime, since he's on the tail-end on his prime so waiting is not an option.

[NBAfan3024]

Cavs are the clear favorites now. They have the best Euro Center in the East.

you joking right?

[JohnnyNightrain]

Is this guy even good?

Statistically, he's pretty much only better than Varejao at blocking.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 4=&p5=&p6=

Sooooooooooo this move means nothing

Eh, it just means they are replacing an injured player. I don't think it's a "puts them over the top" move. They did what they had to do. Can't fault them for that, but, like I said, I think it'd be wise not to start up the "team to beat in the East" conversation just yet.

[The Penguin]

Sauces say Love got tired of being the guy in other teams posters and told GM Lebron to get the Mozgov deal done.

[tbennett5438]

I really don't think this trade for the Cavs. Trading two first round picks for a guy that in my opinion doesn't fit what the Cavs need. Yes the Cavs need a staring caliber center, but I think he is too slow to help on the defense side to pick up other players man.

[ferk]

if mem passed on this deal chris wallace should be fired lol. at least now we know the value of KK but what other teams would pay what cle did ?

[jasonic]

del plz

[lakersin4]

Cavs definitely played this correctly. Instead of giving up Dion & a pick or their only 2 1st's for Moz, they got another 1st to flip & got Moz while keeping all of their own picks. I also think people are underrating Shump's place in all of this. My bro is a Cavs/Dion fan, before the season started I told him the team would be better with a defense 1st player like Tony Allen in Dion's spot. Obviously Shump is no Tony Allen but probably the closest they could come to that while also getting the extra 1st they needed. I expect a very strong finish from Cleveland, the pieces fit now.

[infinite11285]

If the Cavs can now grab Dalembert that's a really deep roster. It would be even deeper if Varejao wasn't injured.

[dunkman04]

They said Toronto had a close relationship with the nuggets tho ...Im so excited cause just yesterday i picked up Nurkic in fantasy

Get ready to curse at the TV/Box Score as Shaw plays Hickson 30 minutes a night at center.

I really do think this is a great trade for both teams. Yes, it's absolutely an overpay for Mozgov. However, he is a massive improvement over anyone the Cavs have and he instantly makes their team substantially better.

[Illmatic12]

Cavs are the clear favorites now. They have the best Euro Center in the East.

Is there any Euro Center in the East other than Pachulia and Antic?

[JLei]

if mem passed on this deal chris wallace should be fired lol. at least now we know the value of KK but what other teams would pay what cle did ?

Unlikely since Mosgov has an extra year at a very cheap amount while Koufos is a free agent after this year.

Probably only 1 pick was offered.

[nomansland]

They said Toronto had a close relationship with the nuggets tho ...Im so excited cause just yesterday i picked up Nurkic in fantasy

Get ready to curse at the TV/Box Score as Shaw plays Hickson 30 minutes a night at center.

It's ok we're tanking now anyway.

[Benedict_Boozer]

Personally, two first rounders is an overpay. And I really like Mozgov.

I think the rationale is, Lebron is already starting to show signs of wear and tear. He might have 3-4 years left tops where he is at a level where the Cavs can truly contend. The reality is once the wheels fall off Lebron, the Cavs title hopes are zero.

So the Cavs GM + Ownership decided to cash in all their chips and go for it now, with the title window fairly open with no Shaq + Kobe type teams out there, and try to get a ring in the next 2-3 years.

If it doesn't work, going to be a rebuild anyways once Lebron falls off and most of the guys they have picked up are still in their 20's, so at least you aren't starting from scratch.

[Effigy]

So Cleveland turned Dion Waiters and the Memphis pick (Which looks like it's going to be in the 28-30 range) for Iman Shumpert, JR Smith and Mozgov? Wow. Great set of moves. Even if you hate JR, he's a bench guy and when he sucks, back to the bench he goes. But Mozgov and Shump dramatically improve their defense. These are guys who will be solid rotation guys even when the whole team is healthy.

[Nuggets_Talk]

cavs got a steal. a starting double double C with good defense on a super cheap deal for 2 years. who gives a sht about those 1sts?
denver gets....idk. unless they are planning on consolidating later, they let a valuable piece go for marginal assets.

Nothing against Cleveland as I'm sure they are pleased but Denver getting two firsts for a role player is insane value for us.

[tidho]

if mem passed on this deal chris wallace should be fired lol. at least now we know the value of KK but what other teams would pay what cle did ?

Unlikely since Mosgov has an extra year at a very cheap amount while Koufos is a free agent after this year.

Probably only 1 pick was offered.

Yeah, Mosgov was always viewed as option #1, even going back to the summer.

[Bankai]

Cavs are the clear favorites now. They have the best Euro Center in the East.

Is there any Euro Center in the East other than Pachulia and Antic?

Mozgov is a decent player but thats all he is, he is getting overrated real fast. It was an overpay but the Cavs needed to shore up the Front Court so it was needed. In a way it was a Win-Win but 2 First Round Picks is not indicative on the caliber of player Mozgov is who is being rid of for a rookie in Nurkic.