What are the Sixers doing?

[BullyKing]

My only question is why didn't Philly keep Payton?

If you're trading MCW because his bad shooting is a problem, Payton is not exactly your solution.

[Da1RealRapsFan]

Lets do this slowly.


KJ walks = philly loses and asset for nothing in return


Trade KJ = get an asset in return.

A team is at risk of losing any player (or an asset, as you refer to them) if they get good. The goal is to find players who will get good; you want to be at risk off losing them because that means they are good enough for other teams to want.

So Philly has 4 million 2nd round picks. If one of them is as good as McDaniels, you'll just trade him for another 2 2nd rounders because, apparently, this is how you treat 'assets'.

This is just a cycle of mediocroty Hinkie has them in. He's playing NBA2K; the problem is that it's a real team, with real fans and real players.

He won't win anything because he is always playing for a future that will never come.

The team will be sold and re-located.

You're so myopic and short sighted. Do you have any money saved or do you just spend it all the first advertisement you see while walking down the sidewalk? Hinkie and ownership are committed to a long term goal. Do you think KJ McDaniels is a long term piece? For any team in the league?


Look at it this way. You bought 50 chicken nuggets and could only stuff 45 into your fat face. You can let the 5 extra ones get old and hard or you can trade them to your friend for a bag of potatoes. You can make multiple dishes with the potatoes. There is hope. You know what you have with the Mc nuggets and instead of wasting them you get a return. The 76ers have the best player evaluation metrics in the league hands down. You're telling me they should stray from their data to throw money at a **** player that you like just because he can dunk? The problem is most gms in the league are fat **** like you, and would rather eat old hard nuggets because they're too lazy or too stupid to make a baked potatoe or hash browns etc.



The 76ers are going to dominate the league. Hinkie is absolutely killing it right now. It's actually so laughable that people don't see this, but it's usually people like you who just can't comprehend things so hate on them. She's a witch, she's a witch!!!

[ORLMagicGirl15]

My only question is why didn't Philly keep Payton?

If you're trading MCW because his bad shooting is a problem, Payton is not exactly your solution.

I really wish people would watch Payton play. He's not yet a shooter but he has shown so much more in all other aspects of his game but he's going to be just fine. I know he needs to learn to shoot but I feel that if 76ers kept him, he would be awesome with their team.....actually that's not fair, I don't know who they are keeping on their team but I believed that Payton would be one of their cornerstone players.

[majortom71]

The revolving door keeps spinning.
2 years from 2 years....etc.

The nerve. Orlando is on its 3rd year of less than 25 wins.

I expected the Magic to have another tanking season, but it's good to see they are building around their youth.
With Sixers I am not sure what to expect next. Is Noel safe or is he trade material? When is it good enough?
Getting the next big player should not mean endless rebuild till you find him. But if you guys are fine with it, who am I to say anything right?

[gipper08]

WHo the hell would pay $8 mil to McDaniels? .

idiots. The same idiots that gave Meeks 6 million and Ben Gordon 4.5

[reignfire]

Some people think Hinkie is following the Spurs/OKC model, but in reality, Hinkie/Morey has created a new branch of GMing a basketball franchise.

A sh-t new branch mind you, but still a new branch.

Players as assets. Coaching doesn't matter. Every player has a WAR(wins above replacement). All you do collect guys with high WARs, combine them, now you are on your way to contending! Chemistry, fit, continuity; these things don't exist. No such thing as getting "hot" when shooting the basketball. Only 3s and Layups, no one knew those were great shots until Morey came into the NBA apparently.

The worst thing about all of this is that Sixers fans are some of the most arrogant. Hinkie has done absolutely NOTHING except bottom dwell and he's the genius, outsmarting the entire league. RIGHT.

[Big_Apple]

Some people think Hinkie is following the Spurs/OKC model, but in reality, Hinkie/Morey has created a new branch of GMing a basketball franchise.

A sh-t new branch mind you, but still a new branch.

Players as assets. Coaching doesn't matter. Every player has a WAR(wins above replacement). All you do collect guys with high WARs, combine them, now you are on your way to contending! Chemistry, fit, continuity; these things don't exist. No such thing as getting "hot" when shooting the basketball. Only 3s and Layups, no one knew those were great shots until Morey came into the NBA apparently.

The worst thing about all of this is that Sixers fans are some of the most arrogant. Hinkie has done absolutely NOTHING except bottom dwell and he's the genius, outsmarting the entire league. RIGHT.

Shut it Sir Charles.

[mksp]

The amount of stupid on this thread is awe inspiring.

If, at the beginning of the season, one were to broach an "MCW for the LAL 1-5 Protected 2015 First Round Pick" trade, that individual would have been laughed off the board. Inefficient! Chucker! Good Counting Stats on a Bad Team!

After over half a season during which he has regressed, posting a PER of 12.8, after 15.5 in his rookie year, Sam Hinkie manages to make exactly that trade.

That LAL pick is one of the best picks that have been traded in recent memory, and it was traded for MCW. Let that sink in.

And now all you guys come out of the woodwork spitting hellfire over some perceived shot at the basketball gods.

I like MCW. He will be a good player for Milwaukee. I don't understand the trade from the Suns' perspective, but I digress. No matter how you slice it, the Sixers absolutely got very good value for MCW.

Pretend like Hinkie doesn't have a plan all you want, but it's clear that he does. Just because you're too shortsighted, impatient or angry to see it doesn't make it false.

When the 2016 Sixers look like this*:

D'Angelo Russell
Mario Hezonja
Dario Saric
Nerlens Noel
Joel Embiid

With Jerami Grant, RJ Hunter, Robert Covington and Malik Pope coming off the bench, then maybe you'll understand.

*And clearly, we have no clue what the actual 2016 team will look like. But I can almost assure you that it will be built around Joel Embiid. Which reminds me that y'all only have another 30 games or so to use the "never played a game", "injured big man" narrative against him.

One last thing: Brett Brown is a great coach. The team was playing well (without MCW even), and they will continue to play hard throughout the rest of the season. The "losing culture" and "don't care about their players" narrative is another patently false one.

[Just_Bullz]

At some point they have to start developing all their picks and try to be competitive.

I hope the front office starts doing that. Way too many picks at the moment imho.

[Unbreakable99]

Sure, then they can waste 10 more years trading for potential cornerstones which you speak of. By your logic, then every team should be dumping every non-cornerstone player less than 2 years into their professional careers for more draft picks.

Hinkie has enough draft picks to continue to build his team. Who said he has to build it around KJ and MCW? One's a rookie and the other is a sophomore. You don't just dump those young players with great promise for complete unknowns.

MCW great promise...

Not only is MCW's play trash, his body language is as well.

Great promise...

MCW is absolutely terrible. Chucker that can't shoot.

Great promise...

It's going to be humorous witnessing this boards perceptions of MCW change now that he's been traded. To clarify, I do believe MCW does have great promise, which I have since he was drafted.

His play has been horrible this season. But, promise =/= evaluation of current play. Promise reflects potential to play well, which is forward-looking. While I still don't like him nor what I perceive to be the empty stats he puts up, I think he has great promise. Nice try though, and I'm not surprised that this is coming from you, as you've historically had a problem with what I've said about your Sixers.

Please. If you don't like him then us trading him shouldn't be a big deal to you. Just stop. You're backtracking now because you got owned.

[Mik317]

It will be interesting to see how the team reacts to today's moves. Brown included.
Noel and MCW were great friends allegedly...how does he handle it?
Its easy to preach hard work and development....but it becomes harder when said hard work and development gets your ass on the first plane out of town. Nothing happens in a vaccume....future draft picks and agents will be wary with dealing with a team that doesn't give any **** about you and will ship your ass out at the drop of a hat.
This is a business, yes and it's all apart of that...but suddenly the hardworking, never give up environment I thought we were creating...seems like a sham. This is exactly what Charles and other anit analytic dudes were talking about..Hinkie is treating these dudes like numbers on a grid instead of actual people.

Whether or not it is a bad deal depends on who we draft with our pick and the Lakers pick (kinda like the Jrue deal that kinda sorta worked out so far)...but I wonder if this harms our rep with the people that matter (not the outside fans and not even our own fans...most are flip floppers anyway) but the players and more importantly..their agents. They can't be pleased with today's outcome for MCW and KJ. Morey is already feeling the heat for this with Dragic but they have Harden...we have????? If we get good this won't matter but yeesh.

[Ballerhogger]

its all about them future hot picks.

[majortom71]

It will be interesting to see how the team reacts to today's moves. Brown included.
Noel and MCW were great friends allegedly...how does he handle it?
Its easy to preach hard work and development....but it becomes harder when said hard work and development gets your ass on the first plane out of town. Nothing happens in a vaccume....future draft picks and agents will be wary with dealing with a team that doesn't give any **** about you and will ship your ass out at the drop of a hat.
This is a business, yes and it's all apart of that...but suddenly the hardworking, never give up environment I thought we were creating...seems like a sham. This is exactly what Charles and other anit analytic dudes were talking about..Hinkie is treating these dudes like numbers on a grid instead of actual people.

Whether or not it is a bad deal depends on who we draft with our pick and the Lakers pick (kinda like the Jrue deal that kinda sorta worked out so far)...but I wonder if this harms our rep with the people that matter (not the outside fans and not even our own fans...most are flip floppers anyway) but the players and more importantly..their agents. They can't be pleased with today's outcome for MCW and KJ. Morey is already feeling the heat for this with Dragic but they have Harden...we have????? If we get good this won't matter but yeesh.

Good point. At the end of the day it is a business, however in team sports there is the human element.
These players see each other as a family, a unit and need to work and grow together to play well together.
Developing team chemistry does not mean putting player A who has a high score based on your analytics algorithm with player B who has a high score. Getting good players is one thing but having them properly work together is another.

Another thing I was thinking about is their draft pick Saric, would he be reluctant coming over seeing how players are easily put on the trading block?

I guess call me old fashioned but I was hoping Sixers would rebuild with their squad and let them develop. Hinkie's plan clearly is not that.
With this type of tanking/cleaning house the Sixers fans better hope they have a Championship when all is said and done.

[mksp]

It will be interesting to see how the team reacts to today's moves. Brown included.
Noel and MCW were great friends allegedly...how does he handle it?
Its easy to preach hard work and development....but it becomes harder when said hard work and development gets your ass on the first plane out of town. Nothing happens in a vaccume....future draft picks and agents will be wary with dealing with a team that doesn't give any **** about you and will ship your ass out at the drop of a hat.
This is a business, yes and it's all apart of that...but suddenly the hardworking, never give up environment I thought we were creating...seems like a sham. This is exactly what Charles and other anit analytic dudes were talking about..Hinkie is treating these dudes like numbers on a grid instead of actual people.

Whether or not it is a bad deal depends on who we draft with our pick and the Lakers pick (kinda like the Jrue deal that kinda sorta worked out so far)...but I wonder if this harms our rep with the people that matter (not the outside fans and not even our own fans...most are flip floppers anyway) but the players and more importantly..their agents. They can't be pleased with today's outcome for MCW and KJ. Morey is already feeling the heat for this with Dragic but they have Harden...we have????? If we get good this won't matter but yeesh.

We don't know what we don't know.

Was MCW putting in the work necessary to be great? Was he actually "developing"?

Maybe trading MCW serves notice to the rest of the team that anyone is on the table.

It's not like his jumper has improved in two years.

[Mik317]

It will be interesting to see how the team reacts to today's moves. Brown included.
Noel and MCW were great friends allegedly...how does he handle it?
Its easy to preach hard work and development....but it becomes harder when said hard work and development gets your ass on the first plane out of town. Nothing happens in a vaccume....future draft picks and agents will be wary with dealing with a team that doesn't give any **** about you and will ship your ass out at the drop of a hat.
This is a business, yes and it's all apart of that...but suddenly the hardworking, never give up environment I thought we were creating...seems like a sham. This is exactly what Charles and other anit analytic dudes were talking about..Hinkie is treating these dudes like numbers on a grid instead of actual people.

Whether or not it is a bad deal depends on who we draft with our pick and the Lakers pick (kinda like the Jrue deal that kinda sorta worked out so far)...but I wonder if this harms our rep with the people that matter (not the outside fans and not even our own fans...most are flip floppers anyway) but the players and more importantly..their agents. They can't be pleased with today's outcome for MCW and KJ. Morey is already feeling the heat for this with Dragic but they have Harden...we have????? If we get good this won't matter but yeesh.

We don't know what we don't know.

Was MCW putting in the work necessary to be great? Was he actually "developing"?

Maybe trading MCW serves notice to the rest of the team that anyone is on the table.

It's not like his jumper has improved in two years.

I am almost hoping that it was something we don't see, like maybe he was a **** teammate and lazy behind the scenes...I'd imagine that would leak out tho

However you can't expect a guy to make massive strides in two years...not even two years..plus he missed the offseason thanks to injury (also could be a factor ).

and I don't think a "play like Jesus or get traded" environment is great for guys trying to figure things out....you could have them begin to second guess themselves on every move because Hinkie might off you....I am interested to see what the team and Brown feel about this....They were torn up after Davies got traded...

[eagereyez]

The amount of stupid on this thread is awe inspiring.

If, at the beginning of the season, one were to broach an "MCW for the LAL 1-5 Protected 2015 First Round Pick" trade, that individual would have been laughed off the board. Inefficient! Chucker! Good Counting Stats on a Bad Team!

After over half a season during which he has regressed, posting a PER of 12.8, after 15.5 in his rookie year, Sam Hinkie manages to make exactly that trade.

That LAL pick is one of the best picks that have been traded in recent memory, and it was traded for MCW. Let that sink in.

And now all you guys come out of the woodwork spitting hellfire over some perceived shot at the basketball gods.

I like MCW. He will be a good player for Milwaukee. I don't understand the trade from the Suns' perspective, but I digress. No matter how you slice it, the Sixers absolutely got very good value for MCW.

Pretend like Hinkie doesn't have a plan all you want, but it's clear that he does. Just because you're too shortsighted, impatient or angry to see it doesn't make it false.

When the 2016 Sixers look like this*:

D'Angelo Russell
Mario Hezonja
Dario Saric
Nerlens Noel
Joel Embiid

With Jerami Grant, RJ Hunter, Robert Covington and Malik Pope coming off the bench, then maybe you'll understand.

*And clearly, we have no clue what the actual 2016 team will look like. But I can almost assure you that it will be built around Joel Embiid. Which reminds me that y'all only have another 30 games or so to use the "never played a game", "injured big man" narrative against him.

One last thing: Brett Brown is a great coach. The team was playing well (without MCW even), and they will continue to play hard throughout the rest of the season. The "losing culture" and "don't care about their players" narrative is another patently false one.

You do realize the odds of LA keeping their pick this season are very high, right? It's top 5 protected and the Lakers are hell bent on their tank. LA will keep their pick this season, and next season they'll have Randle, Kobe, whoever they drafted and any other FA's they might bring in. They will win games next season and make that pick land somewhere in the 11-18th range... the same draft spot Philly used to take MCW. This is basically a mulligan for Hinkie, who realized MCW isn't the long term piece he thought he was. It's amusing because so many Philly posters on this board were so high on MCW, despite him having one of the worst offensive seasons in NBA history. Now that he's gone, it's a smart move because he sucked anyway

[NickAnderson]

Is this the first time a roy has been traded in his 2nd yr?

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[JustBlaze]

How often do teams draft a player; the player plays below expectations; and then they trade that player for a draft picker HIGHER than the one they used? The Sixers definitely have issues, and need to start showing results - but that doesn't mean they should have turned down a good deal.

Like someone else said, if everyone honestly answered the question "What has more value, MCW or a top pick this year or next" I bet almost everyone would have selected the draft pick

[Unbreakable99]

This thread is LOL worthy. A lot of posters are ignorant. Just because we drafted a player it doesn't mean we have to keep him for at least 5 years no matter what. People get attached to players to easily. This was a good trade. Anyone who says otherwise is just short sighted. The people who are joking about Hinkie trading Embiid are clueless. If Embiid is dominant then he isn't getting traded. Hinkie isn't attached to anyone. He's about winning championships and building a contender. MCW is good. Milwaukee is a good fit for him. MCW is not someone you lose sleep over getting traded though.

[mksp]

We can be high on MCW and still agree that a 6-10 LAL pick this year (or 4-12 next) is good value for him.

Hinkie is playing for the superstar. MCW was never going to develop into one. He's playing the odds, that's okay from my perspective.

As an aside, anyone who thinks the Lakers with a 37 year old Kobe Bryant, limited and first year PF in Randle and a rookie are (A) going to be an attractive FA destination, or (B) make any type of noise whatsoever next year, are delusional.