Lonzo Watch- 29 points 9 assists 11 rebounds

JusBus32 · Post #161 » by **JusBus32** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:54 pm

If your team’s rookie but up those numbers at any point this season, most or all of you wouldn’t care if it was against the worst team in the league, you would be generally happy about that performance. Think objectively people. Yes there’s room for a crap ton of improvement, but to score against legit NBA talent on a back to back on his 5th game of actual NBA run (including preseason) is impressive. Stop blaming the kid for his father’s actions

RightToCensor · Post #162 » by **RightToCensor** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:55 pm

PTPaQ wrote:Has Patrick Beverly ever in his career had a game close to what Lonzo did in his 2nd game ever in the league?

You must have missed Beverley showing out in Game 1 against the Thunder and putting the clamps on Russ throughout the playoff series. That alone means so much more than a game against the little Suns.

MartinToVaught · Post #163 » by **MartinToVaught** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:58 pm

E-Balla wrote:More than Pat Bev's career high in game 2 of his career.

Three more points than Bev's career high, on eight more shots. And Beverley isn't known for offense. Good to know we're holding the #2 overall pick to a high standard.

prime1time · Post #164 » by **prime1time** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:59 pm

Lalouie wrote:
prime1time wrote:
Lalouie wrote:
Don't think guard, think team. Zo is an egalitarian distributer. Not a traditional pg like cp3, or a scoring pg like Tony Parker, but a pg built for the transition game. I think this is a new position that Zo just invented. At UCLA, it wasn't the half court where he excelled, it was in transition and often,,, the hockey assist.

That is true, but the hard thing to visualize is what kind of guard plays well with that kind of style. I'm a Wiz fan and we have Beal. I think he'd be very good with a pg like Zo. In fact, I think that Zo's style fits the Wiz better than Wall's. Right now we have Otto Porter who's coming on strong but it's starting to get kind of weird with regards to who gets to be aggressive. Zo's style would really show if you had a squad like Zo (3 or 4 years from now), Beal, Porter, Morris and an athetlic big man like Thompson.

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As good as Zo is, shot creating isn't one of his strengths so the players that you surround him with will need to be able to space the floor, be solid on the fast break and create for themselves. Similar to how the Suns were built in Phoenix with Nash. It'll be fun to watch him Zo develop.

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I'm not being hyperbolic when I say Zo might be inventing a new position and maybe that's why it's so hard to visualize. Consider,,,, the days of the old pg is gone. Right now we're in the Era of the scoring pg. But even as we speak, positions are getting blurred and centers (cousins) are leading fast breaks. The open court pg, Zo, is a natural to get all these positionless multi talents involved. The result at UCLA was a bump in TEAM passing. I think that's what walton is looking for in Zo.

Eh. How is that different than what the Spurs did a couple years ago? Nonetheless, a bump in "team passing" can only take you so far. Look at what happened to those great ball movement Spurs when they played against OKC that one year. You still had players that can break down there man one-on-one. This is the most important aspect of a good offense.

PTPaQ · Post #165 » by **PTPaQ** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:00 pm

RightToCensor wrote:
PTPaQ wrote:Has Patrick Beverly ever in his career had a game close to what Lonzo did in his 2nd game ever in the league?

You must have missed Beverley showing out in Game 1 against the Thunder and putting the clamps on Russ throughout the playoff series. That alone means so much more than a game against the little Suns.

Point Missed.

azcatz11 · Post #166 » by **azcatz11** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:02 pm

I was at the game last night and the energy was palpable. And not for the Suns, it was for Lonzo. This kid puts on a show when he touches the ball and the crowd loves it. I honestly haven’t seen anything like it...except for Steph. And maybe Westbrook.

Lost Angel · Post #167 » by **Lost Angel** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:03 pm

zero Lakers fans have a problem with Lonzo shooting 27 times a game, as long as he's dropping 9 assists and grabbing 11 boards.

let us have this. we've taken a lot of **** and terrible luck for 5 years, so to see something promising is wonderful.

E-Balla · Post #168 » by **E-Balla** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:11 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:
E-Balla wrote:More than Pat Bev's career high in game 2 of his career.

Three more points than Bev's career high, on eight more shots. And Beverley isn't known for offense. Good to know we're holding the #2 overall pick to a high standard.

Good to know you're still hating.

TankCommander17 · Post #169 » by **TankCommander17** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:13 pm

The suns might be the worst defensive team I have ever seen. Last night was just an abomination defensively. Tyson Chandler has given up playing basketball.

If anyone thinks Ball is some savant because of last night then you got a rude awakening. He is not as bad as he was vs the Clippers but he is not as good as last night's numbers suggest.

Suns fans my condolences. I don't know how you can watch your team play defense and not want to throw the remote at the tv.

JusBus32 · Post #170 » by **JusBus32** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:16 pm

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MartinToVaught · Post #171 » by **MartinToVaught** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:16 pm

E-Balla wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:
E-Balla wrote:More than Pat Bev's career high in game 2 of his career.

Three more points than Bev's career high, on eight more shots. And Beverley isn't known for offense. Good to know we're holding the #2 overall pick to a high standard.

Good to know you're still hating.

Stating facts isn't hating. Sorry, but I'm not about to crown Lonzo as the best rookie since LeBron after two unimpressive games. I know people have decided that they feel bad for Lonzo because of his father, but he's still the #2 overall pick, so he needs to be judged by those standards.

King4Day · Post #172 » by **King4Day** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:17 pm

Kudi wrote:sounds bad but after the blazers and now anything against the suns just shouldn't count
they literally play 0 defense
tanking for that #1 spot
but at least we know he can hit some shots

Believe me, the Suns aren't tanking right now. This team is so flawed from top to bottom that a bottom 3 finish is being generous.

TankCommander17 · Post #173 » by **TankCommander17** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:18 pm

KobeBryant24 wrote:
Dez wrote:Good for him but he took 27 shots to get 29 points against no defense.

It's an improvement on his debut, but let's be real.
WalterBenjamin wrote:More Like the Suns have developed a new tipe od not defending. Pat Connoughton got his against them. Nobody is hipping him to have an all star career.

If its so easy why hasn't another rookie since LeBron put up those stats?

Because the Suns defense is probably an all time top 10 worst defense. They literally don't provide any help defense. NONE.

There were open lanes after open lane and their big would just stand there. A lot of Lonzo's assits came off of wide open shots for his teammates and not because of the set/pass but because the defenders just stopped playing D. I have never seen such a thing. I mean the Suns defense is all time awful.

ISayshowmee · Post #174 » by **ISayshowmee** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:34 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:
E-Balla wrote:More than Pat Bev's career high in game 2 of his career.

Three more points than Bev's career high, on eight more shots. And Beverley isn't known for offense. Good to know we're holding the #2 overall pick to a high standard.

Excuse machine above. Let me make it simple for ya.... Lonzo Ball exceeded Beverly's career high....period the end !!

MartinToVaught · Post #175 » by **MartinToVaught** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:39 pm

ISayshowmee wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:
E-Balla wrote:More than Pat Bev's career high in game 2 of his career.

Three more points than Bev's career high, on eight more shots. And Beverley isn't known for offense. Good to know we're holding the #2 overall pick to a high standard.

Excuse machine above. Let me make it simple for ya.... Lonzo Ball exceeded Beverly's career high....period the end !!

Context, not excuses. But by all means, keep bragging that a #2 overall pick barely outscored the career high of a #42 overall pick. It just makes you look foolish.

lamscott · Post #176 » by **lamscott** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:41 pm

So many Lakers haters.

DLO as the #2 was still young and played on dysfunctional teams and it wasn't his fault.....

Ball as the #2 pick should held held to a higher standard, he played the lowly suns, he ain't good, passing is overrated.

Lol.

NBAfan3024 · Post #177 » by **NBAfan3024** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:41 pm

very impressive bounce back game from lonzo

which he needed. although has to be said the suns are rather awful.

azcatz11 · Post #178 » by **azcatz11** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:42 pm

TankCommander17 wrote:The suns might be the worst defensive team I have ever seen. Last night was just an abomination defensively. Tyson Chandler has given up playing basketball.

If anyone thinks Ball is some savant because of last night then you got a rude awakening. He is not as bad as he was vs the Clippers but he is not as good as last night's numbers suggest.

Suns fans my condolences. I don't know how you can watch your team play defense and not want to throw the remote at the tv.

Bledsoe has fallen off a clif also. For some reason he doesn’t try defensively either anymore. Earl Watson is horrible and needs to go

azcatz11 · Post #179 » by **azcatz11** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:44 pm

ISayshowmee wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:
E-Balla wrote:More than Pat Bev's career high in game 2 of his career.

Three more points than Bev's career high, on eight more shots. And Beverley isn't known for offense. Good to know we're holding the #2 overall pick to a high standard.

Excuse machine above. Let me make it simple for ya.... Lonzo Ball exceeded Beverly's career high....period the end !!

Why does that matter? Bev owner Zo the game prior. What is the point here?

ISayshowmee · Post #180 » by **ISayshowmee** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:47 pm

azcatz11 wrote:
ISayshowmee wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:Three more points than Bev's career high, on eight more shots. And Beverley isn't known for offense. Good to know we're holding the #2 overall pick to a high standard.

Excuse machine above. Let me make it simple for ya.... Lonzo Ball exceeded Beverly's career high....period the end !!

Why does that matter? Bev owner Zo the game prior. What is the point here?

I guess I did not make it simple enough. Why do you want to know why this matters to others ?

Lonzo Ball exceeded Beveryly's career high !!!