Spurs open to trading Kawhi to Lakers

[bebopdeluxe]

If the Lakers give up any of the young core, that will suck since they really don't need to. Kawhi's health is still in question and Lebron isn't retiring a Laker, so why give up the bright future for potential rentals? Its unnecessary.

If Ingram and Kuzma are so valuable why does LA want to trade them for Kawhi? Those guys are a lot more affordable and under cheaper deals for the next couple years? They're bonfide superstars in the making, right? Why not try to use them to lure Lebron to LA to form the great LBJ/Ingram/Kuzma dynasty.

"bonfide superstars in the making"

[SK21209]

Unless I'm missing something, why in the world would we take Deng? The Lakers have cap room, salaries don't need to match. Obviously they want to put him in the deal, but if they want Kawhi they can fork over Ingram and Kuzma before Friday, use cap space, and settle for two stars.

That's probably right.

They should use Ball in a separate trade to get rid of Deng.

Unless LeBron demands they get rid of Lonzo, I'm not sure why they wouldn't just keep him. Seems like a good fit around a stacked lineup

[Pythagoras]

Aside from the 2021 pick ( and who knows how that turns out) that deal is Trash. Covington is older than Kawhi and Zhaire Smith and Saric are nothing special, Just role Players. Atleast Kuzma and Ingram have star potential.

Is that that same star potential that Nance Jr and Clarkson had? They're both neg RPM guys with sub 15 PERs. Ingram and Kuz are the pure definition of nothing special...unless you value points per game on lottery teams.

QFT

So then defend Fultz’s trade value.

[Luigi]

Unless I'm missing something, why in the world would we take Deng? The Lakers have cap room, salaries don't need to match. Obviously they want to put him in the deal, but if they want Kawhi they can fork over Ingram and Kuzma before Friday, use cap space, and settle for two stars.

That's probably right.

They should use Ball in a separate trade to get rid of Deng.

Unless LeBron demands they get rid of Lonzo, I'm not sure why they wouldn't just keep him. Seems like a good fit around a stacked lineup

Yeah, it could be interesting. He has a lot of passing and defense potential. A little like Rondo on those Celtics big 3 teams.

I do think Lebron would rather be free from the Ball family though. And they probably do need a speedier point guard to cover the smaller guys. Leonard, George, Lebron have the lanky size pretty well staffed. The killer though is his shot. You need someone who can spot up to play with Lebron, let alone also with George and possibly with Leonard. He's not gonna see a lot of the ball, he's gonna sit on the perimeter and catch and shoot.

[Jay 20]

If Magic sends out Kuzma, Ingram, Lonzo, picks plus Deng for Kawhi, he is one dumb mofo.
There is no way the Lakers with LeBron, Kawhi and even a third star can beat HOuston or GSW without depth.
In fact, they will be gutted for an aging LeBron and injury concern Kawhi.
I just cannot believe Magic and Pelinka would bend here.

The decision has to be 2 out of Kuzma, Ingram and Lonzo plus FRP for Kawhi.
Magic has to call LeBron's bluff and make him decide while trying to convince PG to come when FA starts.

This won't happen. LeBron will not committ and potentially put himself in a similar situation as in Cleveland, without knowing 100% what at least George is doing, he also probably will want to wait to see if they do get Leonard or not. LeBron holds all the cards, he doesn't have to sign with anyone until he decides what is best for him and that involves knowing where everyone else is.

This is right. But Lebron will also want to influence where other guys go. That's gotta be why he wants to get it done early. If everyone goes places where he can't put anything together, he'll lose out by waiting.

That's a good point, but I just have a feeling that if he decides LA, he knows PG is going to LA at the very least. He still may be hesitant to go to the Western Conference just for PG. I think he will be careful especially when it comes to going out West.

Signing with LA before knowing what is going to happen with other free agents is a risk. Maybe he is willing to take it I guess?
But he can still have his influence like you said without ink actually touching paper.

[Luigi]

This won't happen. LeBron will not committ and potentially put himself in a similar situation as in Cleveland, without knowing 100% what at least George is doing, he also probably will want to wait to see if they do get Leonard or not. LeBron holds all the cards, he doesn't have to sign with anyone until he decides what is best for him and that involves knowing where everyone else is.

This is right. But Lebron will also want to influence where other guys go. That's gotta be why he wants to get it done early. If everyone goes places where he can't put anything together, he'll lose out by waiting.

That's a good point, but I just have a feeling that if he decides LA, he knows PG is going to LA at the very least. He still may be hesitant to go to the Western Conference just for PG. I think he will be careful especially when it comes to going out West.

Signing with LA before knowing what is going to happen with other free agents is a risk. Maybe he is willing to take it I guess?
But he can still have his influence like you said without ink actually touching paper.

Yup, this is why I think the Spurs have any leverage at all. Without Leonard, I don't think Lebron wants to join the Lakers with just Paul George. So the clock is ticking.

I mean, the Thunder were a more complete team than Lebron + George in LA, and Paul George came up very short in the playoffs. Lebron doesn't want to get bounced in the first round in the rough and tumble west. He'll want Leonard to be there, too.

[bebopdeluxe]

Is that that same star potential that Nance Jr and Clarkson had? They're both neg RPM guys with sub 15 PERs. Ingram and Kuz are the pure definition of nothing special...unless you value points per game on lottery teams.

QFT

So then defend Fultz’s trade value.

You must have me confused with someone who wants to trade Fultz. I think there is a greater-than-zero chance that the guy is going to come back with a vengrance. He's untouchable for me.


Covington is an NBA ALL-Defensive Team wing who shot 38% from 3 last season. Saric - who reports say was requested by multiple teams in draft night trade proposals and rejected - had a materially better year than ANY player the Lakers are offering - including a 27/10/4 Game 5 in Boston. Smith is a guy that reports suggest SAS would have taken at 18 if he was there, and the MIA 2021 pick is GOLD.


I think the Lakers trade being proposed around here (two of Ingram, Kuzma and Ball, a first round pick and Deng) is AZZ relative to the Sixers offer I just laid out...but that is just my opinion.

[Luigi]

QFT

So then defend Fultz’s trade value.

You must have me confused with someone who wants to trade Fultz. I think there is a greater-than-zero chance that the guy is going to come back with a vengrance. He's untouchable for me.


Covington is an NBA ALL-Defensive Team wing who shot 38% from 3 last season. Saric - who reports say was requested by multiple teams in draft night trade proposals and rejected - had a materially better year than ANY player the Lakers are offering - including a 27/10/4 Game 5 in Boston. Smith is a guy that reports suggest SAS would have taken at 18 if he was there, and the MIA 2021 pick is GOLD.


I think the Lakers trade being proposed around here (two of Ingram, Kuzma and Ball, a first round pick and Deng) is AZZ relative to the Sixers offer I just laid out...but that is just my opinion.

So we have

1) Ingram, Kuzma, LAL unrestricted 20XX, (maybe Deng)

vs

2) Saric, Covington, Smith, MIA unrestricted 2021 pick

I'm not sure what looks better from the Spurs perspective. I think the upside on the Lakers assets might be better for where the Spurs will be in a post-Leonard world. I'm also not sure 76ers would be wise to offer so much for a 1 year rental.

[Pythagoras]

QFT

So then defend Fultz’s trade value.

You must have me confused with someone who wants to trade Fultz. I think there is a greater-than-zero chance that the guy is going to come back with a vengrance. He's untouchable for me.


Covington is an NBA ALL-Defensive Team wing who shot 38% from 3 last season. Saric - who reports say was requested by multiple teams in draft night trade proposals and rejected - had a materially better year than ANY player the Lakers are offering - including a 27/10/4 Game 5 in Boston. Smith is a guy that reports suggest SAS would have taken at 18 if he was there, and the MIA 2021 pick is GOLD.


I think the Lakers trade being proposed around here (two of Ingram, Kuzma and Ball, a first round pick and Deng) is AZZ relative to the Sixers offer I just laid out...but that is just my opinion.

Out of curiosity, do you honestly think Covington has more trade value than Ingram? I’m genuinely curious here.

[IronflagNZ]

IMO the pressure is on the Lakers now.

If they don't want to trade for Kawaii how does Kawaii react to that? He is already sensitive over this Spurs issue it wouldn't surprise me if he took offence to Lakers wanting to wait a year also.

[ButCanMarkDunk]

[Ballings7]

Pressure is on Kawhi where ever he goes... better look like 2017 or else he won't command max-level money where ever he is going to be. Other than probably the Spurs out of loyalty and optimism.

[Pythagoras]

So then defend Fultz’s trade value.

You must have me confused with someone who wants to trade Fultz. I think there is a greater-than-zero chance that the guy is going to come back with a vengrance. He's untouchable for me.


Covington is an NBA ALL-Defensive Team wing who shot 38% from 3 last season. Saric - who reports say was requested by multiple teams in draft night trade proposals and rejected - had a materially better year than ANY player the Lakers are offering - including a 27/10/4 Game 5 in Boston. Smith is a guy that reports suggest SAS would have taken at 18 if he was there, and the MIA 2021 pick is GOLD.


I think the Lakers trade being proposed around here (two of Ingram, Kuzma and Ball, a first round pick and Deng) is AZZ relative to the Sixers offer I just laid out...but that is just my opinion.

So we have

1) Ingram, Kuzma, LAL unrestricted 20XX, (maybe Deng)

vs

2) Saric, Covington, Smith, MIA unrestricted 2021 pick

I'm not sure what looks better from the Spurs perspective. I think the upside on the Lakers assets might be better for where the Spurs will be in a post-Leonard world. I'm also not sure 76ers would be wise to offer so much for a 1 year rental.

I’m fairly confident Saric and Covington don’t have as much value as some fans think. That’s a solid package from the Sixers for a mid tier playoff team’s mid tier AS if they were looking to shake things up (McCollum or Beal). That package is garbage for a rebuilding team, which is we’re the Spurs would find themselves if Kawhi left.

[Luigi]

Pressure is on Kawhi where ever he goes... better look like 2017 or else he won't command max-level money where ever he is going to be. Other than probably the Spurs out of loyalty and optimism.

That's a good point. The fact that he's willing to leave makes me think his health has been 100% for a long time now. Pretty weak of him not to help the Spurs last year when they had a fighting chance.

[woosah]

IMO the pressure is on the Lakers now.

If they don't want to trade for Kawaii how does Kawaii react to that? He is already sensitive over this Spurs issue it wouldn't surprise me if he took offence to Lakers wanting to wait a year also.

Hmm. Idk about pressure for the lakers. You bring an interesting point about his sensitivity. It would probably only be offensive if the lakers move in another direction after FA begins and chases another FA. I could see Kawhi being bothered by that. The way it stands now he would know it's out of the lakers hands if SAS refuse to trade him so not sure how offended he would be.

[bebopdeluxe]

So then defend Fultz’s trade value.

You must have me confused with someone who wants to trade Fultz. I think there is a greater-than-zero chance that the guy is going to come back with a vengrance. He's untouchable for me.


Covington is an NBA ALL-Defensive Team wing who shot 38% from 3 last season. Saric - who reports say was requested by multiple teams in draft night trade proposals and rejected - had a materially better year than ANY player the Lakers are offering - including a 27/10/4 Game 5 in Boston. Smith is a guy that reports suggest SAS would have taken at 18 if he was there, and the MIA 2021 pick is GOLD.


I think the Lakers trade being proposed around here (two of Ingram, Kuzma and Ball, a first round pick and Deng) is AZZ relative to the Sixers offer I just laid out...but that is just my opinion.

So we have

1) Ingram, Kuzma, LAL unrestricted 20XX, (maybe Deng)

vs

2) Saric, Covington, Smith, MIA unrestricted 2021 pick

I'm not sure what looks better from the Spurs perspective. I think the upside on the Lakers assets might be better for where the Spurs will be in a post-Leonard world. I'm also not sure 76ers would be wise to offer so much for a 1 year rental.

We will agree to disagree. Saric is the best player in either package right now, and he is the quintessential Spurs player - having played in a Spurs-like system his first two years. Frankly, I love the Homie - his effort in Game 5 in Boston was fabulous - but I would think the Spurs will demand him in any trade. Covington is arguably one of the best wing defenders in the league (as his All-Defensive Team selection would attest) and he is only 27. The Spurs get two guys that immediately go into their rotation and produce from day 1. And in terms of future assets, the Spurs get both a guy that they feportedly really liked in this draft (in Smith) and the MIA 2021 pick - which again, is better in terms of future assets than what the Lakers are offering.

I really don’t think it is close. Both Ingram and Kuzma - while offensively skilled - were sub-15 PER players that are all potential and projection. Neither is the defender that Covington is.

To be honest, I am not that thrilled about the deal - especially with no guarantee that Kawhi stays. Frankly, I want this over with - and I would be fine with keeping everyone or potentially turning our sights on someone like Bradley Beal - if he is available.

[kuclas]

Teams are just offering spurs junk it seems. Especially with reports saying ainge never included Tatum or brown or anything of real immediate value to spurs for Leonard. And 2019 nba draft is considered weak. So unless sac pick ends up number 2-3. Chances are. The players available after 3rd overall may not be any good. Look at the nets pick for 2018. It was only 8th and Cleveland got no where any can’t miss prospect at number 8

Lakers likely offering junk to spurs as well and Ingram likely isnt included.

Teams are looking at a D cousins type of trade where cousins was a top 5-6 player in the league. Cousins would have been first team all nba if not injured. But what the heck did Sacramento get in return for cousins? On similar type of deal. 1.5 years left. Buddy hield for essentially cousins!

[badass316]

Pressure is on the Spurs to get something for Kawhi now or they will lose him for nothing. I'm curious to see if Pelinka and Magic have the capacity to fleece the Spurs since they're ripe for the picking.

The Lakers should hold onto Ingram and Kuzma. Give the Spurs Ball, Deng, and future 1st's (1 or 2).

[bebopdeluxe]

You must have me confused with someone who wants to trade Fultz. I think there is a greater-than-zero chance that the guy is going to come back with a vengrance. He's untouchable for me.


Covington is an NBA ALL-Defensive Team wing who shot 38% from 3 last season. Saric - who reports say was requested by multiple teams in draft night trade proposals and rejected - had a materially better year than ANY player the Lakers are offering - including a 27/10/4 Game 5 in Boston. Smith is a guy that reports suggest SAS would have taken at 18 if he was there, and the MIA 2021 pick is GOLD.


I think the Lakers trade being proposed around here (two of Ingram, Kuzma and Ball, a first round pick and Deng) is AZZ relative to the Sixers offer I just laid out...but that is just my opinion.

So we have

1) Ingram, Kuzma, LAL unrestricted 20XX, (maybe Deng)

vs

2) Saric, Covington, Smith, MIA unrestricted 2021 pick

I'm not sure what looks better from the Spurs perspective. I think the upside on the Lakers assets might be better for where the Spurs will be in a post-Leonard world. I'm also not sure 76ers would be wise to offer so much for a 1 year rental.

I’m fairly confident Saric and Covington don’t have as much value as some fans think. That’s a solid package from the Sixers for a mid tier playoff team’s mid tier AS if they were looking to shake things up (McCollum or Beal). That package is garbage for a rebuilding team, which is we’re the Spurs would find themselves if Kawhi left.

I assume you know - of course - that not only does Saric’s stats (both counting and advanced) basically blow Ingram out of the water, his numbers across the board went UP in the playoffs...right? If Saric doesn’t have value around the league, then why did Ian Begley report that multiple teams inquired about Saric on draft night when the Sixers wanted to move up?

https://hoopshype.com/storyline/dario-saric-trade/

Don’t you hate it when FACTS get in the way of a good narrative?

Also, both Saric and Cov come to the Spurs haveing played in a Spursian system under Brett Brown - they will plug right in.

And - in terms of a “rebuliding team” the Spurs get a guy they liked in this draft in Smith and the MIA 2021 pick. I really don’t think the two deals are even close.

[bebopdeluxe]

Pressure is on the Spurs to get something for Kawhi now or they will lose him for nothing. I'm curious to see if Pelinka and Magic have the capacity to fleece the Spurs since they're ripe for the picking.

The Lakers should hold onto Ingram and Kuzma. Give the Spurs Ball, Deng, and future 1st's (1 or 2).

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