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Re: OT: Melo signs with Rockets 

Post#161 » by NBAFan93 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:39 pm

Bruteque wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:Houston needs to sign Corey Brewer ASAP. Morey needs to get more blame for that Ryan Anderson contract. That is currently the worst contract in the nba at 2yr 40mill.


He was actually quite useful against most teams before he was injured last year. I mean, c'mon, not when we have George Hill at $19m per and Joakim and Luol chugging along at $18+m per.

:lol:


Hill isn’t guaranteed the second year. He’s only due like $2-3M and can be waived. His contract isn’t that bad. Deng and Noah are really bad as they have been declared completely unplayable by their teams.

Parsons, however, is so bad that they tried to get someone to take him for the 4th pick in a loaded draft this summer and got no takers. Think about that - that contract is so bad its not even worth an asset that would take a team and entire season of shameless tanking to obtain! So bad.

Batum is also a frightening contract in terms of expense and length, but at least he is playable/plays,
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Re: OT: Melo signs with Rockets 

Post#162 » by LakersSoul » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:41 pm

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If Melo comes in as a humbled player after getting shipped to Atlanta and then waived,
then Houston has a useful bench player and he can help.

If Melo comes in thinking he is a difference makers and wanting starter minutes,
then Houston will be much, much worse.

I see them taking a drop with this signing.

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Re: OT: Melo signs with Rockets 

Post#163 » by Bruteque » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:44 pm

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Bruteque wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:Houston needs to sign Corey Brewer ASAP. Morey needs to get more blame for that Ryan Anderson contract. That is currently the worst contract in the nba at 2yr 40mill.


He was actually quite useful against most teams before he was injured last year. I mean, c'mon, not when we have George Hill at $19m per and Joakim and Luol chugging along at $18+m per.

:lol:


Both deng and g.hill would fair better in Houston compared to Ryan Anderson ri about now


I highly doubt that. George Hill maybe a slight chance, Luol not a snowball's chance in hell.
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Re: OT: Melo signs with Rockets 

Post#164 » by Nate505 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:44 pm

Sweet. Rockets get worse.
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Re: OT: Melo signs with Rockets 

Post#165 » by Nate505 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:46 pm

nbafan38 wrote:I know every likes to rag on Melo but for the veterans minimum it's not a bad pickup

It's an awful pickup, at least if he's Thunder Melo. He made them worse in the playoff series. They would have been better putting any G league scrub out there than him.
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Re: OT: Melo signs with Rockets 

Post#166 » by Luigi » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:46 pm

LakersSoul wrote:
baller16 wrote:
Read on Twitter


If Melo comes in as a humbled player after getting shipped to Atlanta and then waived,
then Houston has a useful bench player and he can help.

If Melo comes in thinking he is a difference makers and wanting starter minutes,
then Houston will be much, much worse.

I see them taking a drop with this signing.

Tier 1:
GSW

Tier 2:
Houston
Lakers
OKC
SAS
Utah

Tier 3:
Portland
Minn
NO
Denver

Darkhorse:
Dallas


I can't see any difference between tier 2 and tier 3. It's a total wash 2 - 10. Any one of those team could miss the playoffs.

With Melo instead of defense, I think the Rockets are just as vulnerable as anyone in tier 2 and 3, and just as capable at getting the 2 spot, too.
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Re: OT: Melo signs with Rockets 

Post#167 » by The_Ghost_of_JB » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:54 pm

Joest2003 wrote:Melo has finally humbled himself and is taking a huge pay cut so they can keep Capella and stay competitive with the Warriors. People will still hate and say rockets got worse.


I mean he just was bought out for 28m bucks so no matter where he went he was going to get about the same money. Regardless I think it is a good signing for the rockets even though it won't help them get past the warriors.
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Re: OT: Melo signs with Rockets 

Post#168 » by LakersSoul » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:01 pm

Luigi wrote:
LakersSoul wrote:
baller16 wrote:
Read on Twitter


If Melo comes in as a humbled player after getting shipped to Atlanta and then waived,
then Houston has a useful bench player and he can help.

If Melo comes in thinking he is a difference makers and wanting starter minutes,
then Houston will be much, much worse.

I see them taking a drop with this signing.

Tier 1:
GSW

Tier 2:
Houston
Lakers
OKC
SAS
Utah

Tier 3:
Portland
Minn
NO
Denver

Darkhorse:
Dallas


I can't see any difference between tier 2 and tier 3. It's a total wash 2 - 10. Any one of those team could miss the playoffs.

With Melo instead of defense, I think the Rockets are just as vulnerable as anyone in tier 2 and 3, and just as capable at getting the 2 spot, too.


Lakers, OKC, SAS and Utah improved themselves to become a tier 2 group.
Houston did worst to join the tier 2 group.

Portland, Minn, NO didnt help or worsened their situation.
Denver just belonged in tier 3.

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Re: OT: Melo signs with Rockets 

Post#169 » by Luigi » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:12 pm

LakersSoul wrote:Lakers, OKC, SAS and Utah improved themselves to become a tier 2 group.
Houston did worst to join the tier 2 group.

Portland, Minn, NO didnt help or worsened their situation.
Denver just belonged in tier 3.


The way I see it, last year we have

Tier 1 = GSW
Tier 1.5 = Houston
Tier 2 = Teams 3-10, since they are separated by 3 only games

This year, Houston drops down. LAL gets into Tier 2.
OKC swapped Melo for Shoeder, I don't think that's a big deal.
SAS improves with Derozen, but I still don't see that making much of a difference in the margins of tier 2 teams.
Utah kept the crew together. Mitchell could get better, or could have a sophomore slump. I think we stand pat in Tier 2.

I just don't see a strong enough reason to make distinction among these playoff seeking teams in the west. Until someone gets injured, or something is wrong chemistry wise through the season, the preseason rankings have to be a 10 way tie out west outside of GSW.
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Re: OT: Melo signs with Rockets 

Post#170 » by Soulcatcher33 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:15 pm

Luigi wrote:
LakersSoul wrote:
baller16 wrote:
Read on Twitter


If Melo comes in as a humbled player after getting shipped to Atlanta and then waived,
then Houston has a useful bench player and he can help.

If Melo comes in thinking he is a difference makers and wanting starter minutes,
then Houston will be much, much worse.

I see them taking a drop with this signing.

Tier 1:
GSW

Tier 2:
Houston
Lakers
OKC
SAS
Utah

Tier 3:
Portland
Minn
NO
Denver

Darkhorse:
Dallas


I can't see any difference between tier 2 and tier 3. It's a total wash 2 - 10. Any one of those team could miss the playoffs.

With Melo instead of defense, I think the Rockets are just as vulnerable as anyone in tier 2 and 3, and just as capable at getting the 2 spot, too.


:roll: No team with James Harden and Chris Paul is going to miss the playoffs.
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Re: OT: Melo signs with Rockets 

Post#171 » by Freefloater » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:16 pm

Biased_Fan6425 wrote:Rockets got worse this offseason.

And they still have that Capela problem..

Yikes...

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yeah this is what they say every year and this is what they said last year yet we were one ref away from being champions
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Re: OT: Melo signs with Rockets 

Post#172 » by Luigi » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:18 pm

Soulcatcher33 wrote:
Luigi wrote:
LakersSoul wrote:
If Melo comes in as a humbled player after getting shipped to Atlanta and then waived,
then Houston has a useful bench player and he can help.

If Melo comes in thinking he is a difference makers and wanting starter minutes,
then Houston will be much, much worse.

I see them taking a drop with this signing.

Tier 1:
GSW

Tier 2:
Houston
Lakers
OKC
SAS
Utah

Tier 3:
Portland
Minn
NO
Denver

Darkhorse:
Dallas


I can't see any difference between tier 2 and tier 3. It's a total wash 2 - 10. Any one of those team could miss the playoffs.

With Melo instead of defense, I think the Rockets are just as vulnerable as anyone in tier 2 and 3, and just as capable at getting the 2 spot, too.


:roll: No team with James Harden and Chris Paul is going to miss the playoffs.


There are the Warriors, then there are playoff competetive teams in the west. I see no way to distinguish between them.

Chris Paul and James Harden won't have a defense to back them up this year, with Ariza and Mbah a Moute out, and Melo in. They could miss the playoffs in the West as easily as LAL, OKC, SAS, Utah, Portland, Minni, NO, or Denver. They are all 1 injury away from sitting home. The odds for each are that they make the playoffs. But a couple of them won't. That's the west.
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Re: OT: Melo signs with Rockets 

Post#173 » by LakersSoul » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:18 pm

Luigi wrote:
LakersSoul wrote:Lakers, OKC, SAS and Utah improved themselves to become a tier 2 group.
Houston did worst to join the tier 2 group.

Portland, Minn, NO didnt help or worsened their situation.
Denver just belonged in tier 3.


The way I see it, last year we have

Tier 1 = GSW
Tier 1.5 = Houston
Tier 2 = Teams 3-10, since they are separated by 3 only games

This year, Houston drops down. LAL gets into Tier 2.
OKC swapped Melo for Shoeder, I don't think that's a big deal.
SAS improves with Derozen, but I still don't see that making much of a difference in the margins of tier 2 teams.
Utah kept the crew together. Mitchell could get better, or could have a sophomore slump. I think we stand pat in Tier 2.

I just don't see a strong enough reason to make distinction among these playoff seeking teams in the west. Until someone gets injured, or something is wrong chemistry wise through the season, the preseason rankings have to be a 10 way tie out west outside of GSW.


OKC GOT RID OF MELO!! They also get a healthy Roberson and add Schroder.
SAS added DD to that team that was in tier 3. DD is an all-star although not a good 3 point shooter.

I worry aobut SAS because they lost Anderson, Green and Parker and DD is good but a bit of a fools gold. The troop also know there is no Kawhi waiting in the wings. This could be a bad thing or a good thing. DD should still get them into lower tier 2 level.

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Re: OT: Melo signs with Rockets 

Post#174 » by Freefloater » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:19 pm

Bruteque wrote:
PaKwAn wrote:If they couldn't stop kd last season they just made it worse defensively this year.


Ironically, by far the bigger problem HOU had against GSW last year was HOU's offense.

:o


actually the biggest problem vs gsw were the refs and the health...i hope morey is signing foster and brothers under the table while cp3 is learning from harden how to stay healthy
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Re: OT: Melo signs with Rockets 

Post#175 » by F N 11 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:22 pm

The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:
Joest2003 wrote:Melo has finally humbled himself and is taking a huge pay cut so they can keep Capella and stay competitive with the Warriors. People will still hate and say rockets got worse.


I mean he just was bought out for 28m bucks so no matter where he went he was going to get about the same money. Regardless I think it is a good signing for the rockets even though it won't help them get past the warriors.

LMAO! If Melo opted out and took that kind of money I would of did a complete 180 on him.
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Re: OT: Melo signs with Rockets 

Post#176 » by Luigi » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:22 pm

LakersSoul wrote:
Luigi wrote:
LakersSoul wrote:Lakers, OKC, SAS and Utah improved themselves to become a tier 2 group.
Houston did worst to join the tier 2 group.

Portland, Minn, NO didnt help or worsened their situation.
Denver just belonged in tier 3.


The way I see it, last year we have

Tier 1 = GSW
Tier 1.5 = Houston
Tier 2 = Teams 3-10, since they are separated by 3 only games

This year, Houston drops down. LAL gets into Tier 2.
OKC swapped Melo for Shoeder, I don't think that's a big deal.
SAS improves with Derozen, but I still don't see that making much of a difference in the margins of tier 2 teams.
Utah kept the crew together. Mitchell could get better, or could have a sophomore slump. I think we stand pat in Tier 2.

I just don't see a strong enough reason to make distinction among these playoff seeking teams in the west. Until someone gets injured, or something is wrong chemistry wise through the season, the preseason rankings have to be a 10 way tie out west outside of GSW.


OKC GOT RID OF MELO!! They also get a healthy Roberson and add Schroder.
SAS added DD to that team that was in tier 3. DD is an all-star although not a good 3 point shooter.

I worry aobut SAS because they lost Anderson, Green and Parker and DD is good but a bit of a fools gold. The troop also know there is no Kawhi waiting in the wings. This could be a bad thing or a good thing. DD should still get them into lower tier 2 level.


I think these are minor moves. Don't forget how close everyone was last season 3 - 9. Three games separated them...three. And in the offseason, we're going to confidently assert that we can see real differences between them? I don't buy it. From preseason perspective, its a wash 2 - 10.
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Re: OT: Melo signs with Rockets 

Post#177 » by badass316 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:22 pm

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Re: OT: Melo signs with Rockets 

Post#178 » by Freefloater » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:24 pm

Luigi wrote:
Soulcatcher33 wrote:
Luigi wrote:
I can't see any difference between tier 2 and tier 3. It's a total wash 2 - 10. Any one of those team could miss the playoffs.

With Melo instead of defense, I think the Rockets are just as vulnerable as anyone in tier 2 and 3, and just as capable at getting the 2 spot, too.


:roll: No team with James Harden and Chris Paul is going to miss the playoffs.


There are the Warriors, then there are playoff competetive teams in the west. I see no way to distinguish between them.

Chris Paul and James Harden won't have a defense to back them up this year, with Ariza and Mbah a Moute out, and Melo in. They could miss the playoffs in the West as easily as LAL, OKC, SAS, Utah, Portland, Minni, NO, or Denver. They are all 1 injury away from sitting home. The odds for each are that they make the playoffs. But a couple of them won't. That's the west.



Rockets were 14-0 last year in games ariza didnt play
btw melo isnt replacement for ariza he is replacement for anderson
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Re: OT: Melo signs with Rockets 

Post#179 » by Ambrose » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:27 pm

Houston's window took a big hit today.
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Re: OT: Melo signs with Rockets 

Post#180 » by Luigi » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:31 pm

Freefloater wrote:
Luigi wrote:
Soulcatcher33 wrote:
:roll: No team with James Harden and Chris Paul is going to miss the playoffs.


There are the Warriors, then there are playoff competetive teams in the west. I see no way to distinguish between them.

Chris Paul and James Harden won't have a defense to back them up this year, with Ariza and Mbah a Moute out, and Melo in. They could miss the playoffs in the West as easily as LAL, OKC, SAS, Utah, Portland, Minni, NO, or Denver. They are all 1 injury away from sitting home. The odds for each are that they make the playoffs. But a couple of them won't. That's the west.



Rockets were 14-0 last year in games ariza didnt play
btw melo isnt replacement for ariza he is replacement for anderson


Just looking at minutes. I do think Houston will look different with Ariza and Mbah a Moute out. That's the biggest thing. Melo in is less important, but seems to go in the same direction. I think the perimeter defense is gonna be very different in Houston this year.

Add another year to Chris Paul, and a possibly a more selfish Capella (depending on what happens), and I think we're looking at Houston team in the same boat as everyone else in the West playoff race outside of the bay.
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