Refs new "freedom of movement" rule bans defenders from grabbing off ball cutters like Curry and Klay!!!

[ajdontwatchthat]

I love all this rage in the forums because theres a rule that benefits the Warriors, even though the rule is actually fair and all teams can benefit as well.

Yall justifying people getting grabbed by the arms and jerseys?

[76ciology]

Now that you can’t fight the screens, it just makes midget PGs obsolete for teams will just try to abuse their D

[johanliebert]

Never understood why that was not enforced heavily before.

It’s to counteract moving screens which we all know won’t be addressed.

Another rule in favour of offense. So now defenders can’t grab and got to do deal with moving screens all game to free up shooters.

[johanliebert]

Waa Waa Why can't my team have great offball players like Steph and Klay is all im hearing from this whining. Assaulting off ball players isn't defense. It's not skillful. Your defenders need to learn to defend off ball players by not grabbing them. In fact, how about they improve their cardio to be able to keep up with them?

The people who get them open set illegal picks every game and it’s never called. Steph/klay also push off players which is an offensive foul that’s rarely called.

You’re in favour if offball players playing by different rules?

[whocurrz]

As a Warriors fan with our advantages already this rule change seems lame, but I general it is good for the NBA. Everyone oves team offense based on timing and the game revolving to iso competitions is not what most fans want. Yes I’m so skill and domination is still great and a skill that will always reign supreme but once the playoffs happen fouls should exclusively be regulated to on ball players. Off ball creation and it’s effects on a important and being a good off ball player is a skill is a timeless skill the NBA should still encourage

[spacemonkey]

I love all this rage in the forums because theres a rule that benefits the Warriors, even though the rule is actually fair and all teams can benefit as well.

Yall justifying people getting grabbed by the arms and jerseys?

I think most posers decrying this are actually upset that the NBA is making rule changes to hamstring the defense even more.

Now on offense you can slide about 10 feet when setting a screen and not get called, and the only way to mitigate that as defenders was to grab and hold so slow an offensive player so the defender could get around the screen. In fact, part of why switching became so ubiquitous is because offensive screeners were moving crazy amounts. So, mitigate by holding, or by switching.

But there is an additional element: the offensive screener is able to hold the switching defender, and the usual suspects are really really good at that. Move the screen to stop the defender getting around it, so the defense switches, hold the switcher so he can't get onto the ball handler in time.

Between the huge moving screen problem, and now being unable to slow cutters who use the screens, you're basically ensuring an open shot with or without help, and it's not even on a tactical level.

It's not the offenses outsmarting the defense, it's the league literally saying, "Don't play defense."

For a lot of posters on this board who have been long time fans of the game, and what I would consider not-casual-fans, defense is half the fun.

Who wants to see a layup line cum horse game?

As a Warriors fan with our advantages already this rule change seems lame, but I general it is good for the NBA. Everyone oves team offense based on timing and the game revolving to iso competitions is not what most fans want. Yes I’m so skill and domination is still great and a skill that will always reign supreme but once the playoffs happen fouls should exclusively be regulated to on ball players. Off ball creation and it’s effects on a important and being a good off ball player is a skill is a timeless skill the NBA should still encourage

The rule change is fine in a vacuum. In reality, pulling / holding probably shouldn't be allowed. But in combination with moving screens, you're guaranteeing an open shot, practically. It's not even some skillful offensive execution.

Screener moves his screen, defender can't pull, gets hung up on moving screen, ball handler is wide open. Help defense comes, he kicks. No help, he shoots.

Screener moves, defense switches, screener holds switching defender, ball handler is wide open. Help defense comes, he kicks. No help, he shoots.

I mean, where's the fun in that? It wasn't 'strategy'.

[NBARocks]

I love all this rage in the forums because theres a rule that benefits the Warriors, even though the rule is actually fair and all teams can benefit as well.

Yall justifying people getting grabbed by the arms and jerseys?

because we're sure the new rule won't get called fairly. but yeah, go ahead and pretend everyone would benefit i'm just going to slide in here with gifs of Draymond and company grabbing and impeding players without getting called for a foul

[r0drig0lac]

My guess is that they want the game to be more aesthetically pleasing. The trend to switching defenses is making the game uglier. They probably wan't to stop that trend and think this will help.

My guess: It only causes the game to get uglier as it's just more FTs and not much else.

How will this stop switching? Getting more people the ball wide open already? I mean, sure, but it'd be easier to... I don't know... Call a damn moving screen?

Agreed that calling moving screens should also be a point of emphasis.

in fact, that should be the main point, it's the only thing that ruins the league currently

[Freefloater]

[Flash Falcon X]

You guys know grabbing people is a foul, right?



I don’t get the outrage.

When you intentionally foul someone, or hack a bad free throw shooter, you grab them or wrap your arm around them.

So what is wrong with the fact that the refs have to start calling that foul for off-the-ball players now? This is to benefit all teams, not just GSW. And these are ACTUAL FOULS that get missed all the time, many you’ve probably complained weren’t called for your team as well.



Steph and his Warriors succeeded while getting grabbed all the time, so it’s not like this point of emphasis was made in order to help them win, they’ve already been winning. It’s simply to start calling fouls that occur at such a high rate as no-calls in order to help all teams.

People complain about no-calls all the time, but when the NBA makes emphasis to call those no-calls, people get mad if it also benefits the Warriors.

It’s a double-standard. I bet if there was an emphasis on calling more fouls for big men, people would still get mad because it would mean the Warriors can now go in the paint with Draymond and Cousins and get even more fouls.

Perhaps the league should just let the other 29 teams benefit from referees and let the Warriors keep getting fouled without calls. That would make nba fans more happy.




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[Freefloater]

Heres a new logo

[BackseatBoss]

Spoiler:

You guys know grabbing people is a foul, right?



I don’t get the outrage.

When you intentionally foul someone, or hack a bad free throw shooter, you grab them or wrap your arm around them.

So what is wrong with the fact that the refs have to start calling that foul for off-the-ball players now? This is to benefit all teams, not just GSW. And these are ACTUAL FOULS that get missed all the time, many you’ve probably complained weren’t called for your team as well.



Steph and his Warriors succeeded while getting grabbed all the time, so it’s not like this point of emphasis was made in order to help them win, they’ve already been winning. It’s simply to start calling fouls that occur at such a high rate as no-calls in order to help all teams.

People complain about no-calls all the time, but when the NBA makes emphasis to call those no-calls, people get mad if it also benefits the Warriors.

It’s a double-standard. I bet if there was an emphasis on calling more fouls for big men, people would still get mad because it would mean the Warriors can now go in the paint with Draymond and Cousins and get even more fouls.

Perhaps the league should just let the other 29 teams benefit from referees and let the Warriors keep getting fouled without calls. That would make nba fans more happy.




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Short answer, because people love to complain about anything and everything. People love to think about the “good old days” misremembering what they actually used to look like. I will give them this much though, it is very weird that the whole moving screen thing receives no attention from the NBA. That is just as big of an issue in my opinion. But the fact that defenders won’t be allowed to simply maul a player trying to get open, I don’t see any problem with that. Learn to play defense without grabbing, not cry about how “they don’t allow us to play defense anymore”...

[queridiculo]

Seems like a real nothing burger, this has always been a foul, refs for one reason or another simply didn't bother making those calls.

I'll believe it when I see it, expecting the same inconsistent enforcement of that rule after a slight uptick in calls for the first 20 games or so.

Every team stands to benefit, the op throwing in Thompson and Curry deserves the blame for making this a polarizing post.

[OlDirtMcBert]

Is this to point out the defensive holding or offensive holding?

[inquisitive]

More moving screens were called in preseason that I noticed. Teams that do this a lot will have to adjust assuming it gets called in regular season

Also I can see players start 'incidental' bumping to get around the grabbing rule

[NickAnderson]

As a Warriors fan with our advantages already this rule change seems lame, but I general it is good for the NBA. Everyone oves team offense based on timing and the game revolving to iso competitions is not what most fans want. Yes I’m so skill and domination is still great and a skill that will always reign supreme but once the playoffs happen fouls should exclusively be regulated to on ball players. Off ball creation and it’s effects on a important and being a good off ball player is a skill is a timeless skill the NBA should still encourage

Sick username!!

[Luigi]

After Kerr's ejection over Curry's 3rd offensive foul yesterday, I am wondering if freedom of movement isn't going to be all one sided.

http://www.nba.com/article/2018/10/09/steve-kerr-ejected-preseason-vs-suns

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Waa Waa Why can't my team have great offball players like Steph and Klay is all im hearing from this whining. Assaulting off ball players isn't defense. It's not skillful. Your defenders need to learn to defend off ball players by not grabbing them. In fact, how about they improve their cardio to be able to keep up with them?

The issue arises from the fact that the constant moving screens from players like Draymond, Lee, Bogut, Zaza, etc, over the years is a big reason WHY they get grabbed. It's impossible to play defense when this is happening all throughout the game.

https://media.giphy.com/media/5htHzEVgzaO197zFr1/giphy.gif

Not to mention when Klay and Steph consistently do this before they run their route to get open.

Watch on YouTube

So yes, it's a little annoying that one rule is getting heavily enforced while the league turns a blind eye to the others.

[xfactor]

You guys know grabbing people is a foul, right?



I don’t get the outrage.

When you intentionally foul someone, or hack a bad free throw shooter, you grab them or wrap your arm around them.

So what is wrong with the fact that the refs have to start calling that foul for off-the-ball players now? This is to benefit all teams, not just GSW. And these are ACTUAL FOULS that get missed all the time, many you’ve probably complained weren’t called for your team as well.



Steph and his Warriors succeeded while getting grabbed all the time, so it’s not like this point of emphasis was made in order to help them win, they’ve already been winning. It’s simply to start calling fouls that occur at such a high rate as no-calls in order to help all teams.

People complain about no-calls all the time, but when the NBA makes emphasis to call those no-calls, people get mad if it also benefits the Warriors.

It’s a double-standard. I bet if there was an emphasis on calling more fouls for big men, people would still get mad because it would mean the Warriors can now go in the paint with Draymond and Cousins and get even more fouls.

Perhaps the league should just let the other 29 teams benefit from referees and let the Warriors keep getting fouled without calls. That would make nba fans more happy.




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Funny how everyone continues to ignore this obvious evidence of blatant assault. Pitiful.

[CS707]

Spoiler:

You guys know grabbing people is a foul, right?



I don’t get the outrage.

When you intentionally foul someone, or hack a bad free throw shooter, you grab them or wrap your arm around them.

So what is wrong with the fact that the refs have to start calling that foul for off-the-ball players now? This is to benefit all teams, not just GSW. And these are ACTUAL FOULS that get missed all the time, many you’ve probably complained weren’t called for your team as well.



Steph and his Warriors succeeded while getting grabbed all the time, so it’s not like this point of emphasis was made in order to help them win, they’ve already been winning. It’s simply to start calling fouls that occur at such a high rate as no-calls in order to help all teams.

People complain about no-calls all the time, but when the NBA makes emphasis to call those no-calls, people get mad if it also benefits the Warriors.

It’s a double-standard. I bet if there was an emphasis on calling more fouls for big men, people would still get mad because it would mean the Warriors can now go in the paint with Draymond and Cousins and get even more fouls.

Perhaps the league should just let the other 29 teams benefit from referees and let the Warriors keep getting fouled without calls. That would make nba fans more happy.




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Short answer, because people love to complain about anything and everything. People love to think about the “good old days” misremembering what they actually used to look like. I will give them this much though, it is very weird that the whole moving screen thing receives no attention from the NBA. That is just as big of an issue in my opinion. But the fact that defenders won’t be allowed to simply maul a player trying to get open, I don’t see any problem with that. Learn to play defense without grabbing, not cry about how “they don’t allow us to play defense anymore”...

The moving screen thing isn't anything new. I remember people complaining about it with the Celtics 10 years ago.

[Luigi]

Spoiler:

You guys know grabbing people is a foul, right?



I don’t get the outrage.

When you intentionally foul someone, or hack a bad free throw shooter, you grab them or wrap your arm around them.

So what is wrong with the fact that the refs have to start calling that foul for off-the-ball players now? This is to benefit all teams, not just GSW. And these are ACTUAL FOULS that get missed all the time, many you’ve probably complained weren’t called for your team as well.



Steph and his Warriors succeeded while getting grabbed all the time, so it’s not like this point of emphasis was made in order to help them win, they’ve already been winning. It’s simply to start calling fouls that occur at such a high rate as no-calls in order to help all teams.

People complain about no-calls all the time, but when the NBA makes emphasis to call those no-calls, people get mad if it also benefits the Warriors.

It’s a double-standard. I bet if there was an emphasis on calling more fouls for big men, people would still get mad because it would mean the Warriors can now go in the paint with Draymond and Cousins and get even more fouls.

Perhaps the league should just let the other 29 teams benefit from referees and let the Warriors keep getting fouled without calls. That would make nba fans more happy.




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Short answer, because people love to complain about anything and everything. People love to think about the “good old days” misremembering what they actually used to look like. I will give them this much though, it is very weird that the whole moving screen thing receives no attention from the NBA. That is just as big of an issue in my opinion. But the fact that defenders won’t be allowed to simply maul a player trying to get open, I don’t see any problem with that. Learn to play defense without grabbing, not cry about how “they don’t allow us to play defense anymore”...

The moving screen thing isn't anything new. I remember people complaining about it with the Celtics 10 years ago.

It's gotten worse though.