Has Lebron always been this whiny dude that doesn't take accountability for himself/failures?

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Has Lebron always been this whiny dude that doesn't take accountability for himself/failures? 

Post#161 » by Greyhound » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:02 am

passthedutch wrote:Why is he always throwing his team under the bus? Is he trying to sound smart or better for the cameras/media? How come he never takes blame/accountability for his own play or his own lack of defense and poor leadership.

When he's doing good or setting records, he is the first person that posts on IG patting his back. Or when his team is winning "this is our squad and I love them". Then literally the next day he calls his teammates losers that don't know how to win games.

How can any teammate want to play for him? This is why Kawhi, Durant, PG don't want to play with him and will go somewhere that there is no Lebron. He literally can't go 1 loss without throwing the whole team under the bus.


It’s a self defense mechanism I suppose.

Imagine having millions of lames who have achieved next to nothing with their lives trying to knock you down and blame you for everything on a daily basis.

Simply because you are clearly great and they need to “check you” in order to feel better about themselves, and to keep their Gods (Jordan/ Kobe, etc.) atop their perch.

The toxic element in the LeBron narrative consists of the media and people who need to hate a guy that throws a ball in a hoop for a living. He is arrogant, so what. He has lost in the Finals, who cares.

The need to have LeBron feel down or accept blame is truly interesting.

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Post#162 » by Greyhound » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:05 am

clyde21 wrote:must be nauseating playing with Bron tbh...and the idea that he makes his teammates better is a myth perpetuated only by his fan boys


...and completely dismissed only by his haters.
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Post#163 » by RCM88x » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:06 am

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AmusingFiddle wrote:I honestly don’t see the intensity level activated. You want to see intensity, go watch some footage of Kobe in the years leading up to his ACL injury.

I think, as he did in Clev, he is being passive on purpose to prove a point. It really bothers me that he doesn’t just take over the game if the others don’t bring it every night.


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He probably thinks that if he just tried to do everything himself ever game the team will never get better around him. Logically that makes sense for most things. He probably also doesn't want to injury himself again trying to go for 40 every game, because that would certainly make the situation worse.

With the Cavs last yet and even for a few years, there were a lot of games where he just seemed to always do enough to keep it close. Score a basket here and there to keep the deficit to 8-9-10 points or so. Go hard for a possession to end a scoreless streak. Like he was always waiting to see if someone else would take over the game.

Compared to a lot of guys LeBron seems much more big picture and long term focused than most. Guys like Kobe or WB, MJ or whomever treated just about every game like a war, they didn't care about the next one or next season. LeBron, or even guys like Tim Duncan and Magic Johnson seemed to take a different approach, big picture guys. Most players are probably somewhere in the middle, and are more at the mercy of the game or the pace than anything.

With this team he probably wants those guys to show urgency or intensity to win now, rather than just waiting around for it to happen. Maybe that's just part of the culture this Lakers crew has established the past few years, not really any sense of urgency and always a "it'll get better next year" pov that isn't really the case. It certainly took some time for the Cavs to get that in 2014-15, and outside of some short stretches I'm not sure they really ever did. So many times in 2017 and even 2018 it just seemed like no one cared and just knew that no matter what they'd probably end up in the playoffs or in the Finals even if individually players performed poorly. With this team it sort of feels like a number of guys don't seem invested in the long term and have no reason to care, or are young enough they don't feel any sense of urgency.

Well kind of hard to think long term success for this team when most are thinking they are gone asap.


Yeah, it probably wasn't a good idea for them to offer their entire roster for one player, multiple times even? The Randle situation was bad to, and pawning Russell to save some cap was also bad. The idea of trading him isn't, but in a deal like that it was.
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Post#164 » by BigLurch92 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:08 am

Have noticed that too this year. I definitely think that this team is testing him big time. Like really big time.
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Post#165 » by The4thHorseman » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:14 am

ajdontwatchthat wrote:All I know if LeBron aka the Real GM General Board's lord and savior misses the playoffs first year in the West, time to discuss moving Kareem(He should be anyway) to the consensus #2 spot behind MJ.

I don't want to hear anything about injuries because according to Rich Paul, if it was the playoffs, LeBron would have been playing.

Also, people seem to put all the blame on Kobe in 05 when the Lakers missed the playoffs although he was injured, Odom injured and losing their coach mid-season but I'm not making excuses like certain people, because things happen and that's life.

Lastly, Kobe dragged the franchise to the playoffs in 2013, carrying over the hill Pau, mentally fragile Dwight with shoulder problems, washed up Nash, Antawn Jamison, Jodie Meeks and Darius Morris. Sacrificed his achilles in the process.

Lot's of people were claiming that this Laker was better than what LeBron had in 2018. As a matter of fact, I seen a lot of Kuzma> Love takes. Shows the amount of disrespect Love recieves even when he won a championship with LeBron, because people still look at him like a scrub that Bron put on his back.

Kareem missed the playoffs in B2B years, in his prime, smack dab in the middle of the 1970's. The worst era of the NBA.

Guess we better move him out of the top 10.
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Post#166 » by JellosJigglin » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:21 am

I don't enjoy watching Lebron play. He just kind of floats and fills the stat box with little effort. I don't think he's nearly as good as his numbers indicate. He's always been aware of his stats and analytics and I think he shapes his game in a very stat friendly way, and rarely takes risks. I think he's a guy who is extremely sensitive to failure. He feels as long as he puts up stats he has done his part, and if the team fails it's because other guys didn't do the same. Guys who are killers just put themselves all out there and don't hold anything back. They want to rip your heart out at all costs. Lebron doesn't naturally have that in him. That's why he talks about being "activated". It's something he has to make a conscious effort to do. He's a great physical talent, but I don't see this "greatness" that fans from the east claimed since he was a teenager. Former greats seem to agree as well. He is no MJ or Kobe.
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Post#167 » by Dupp » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:23 am

JellosJigglin wrote:I don't enjoy watching Lebron play. He just kind of floats and fills the stat box with little effort. I don't think he's nearly as good as his numbers indicate. He's always been aware of his stats and analytics and I think he shapes his game in a very stat friendly way, and rarely takes risks. I think he's a guy who is extremely sensitive to failure. He feels as long as he puts up stats he has done his part, and if the team fails it's because other guys didn't do the same. Guys who are killers just put themselves all out there and don't hold anything back. They want to rip your heart out at all costs. Lebron doesn't naturally have that in him. That's why he talks about being "activated". It's something he has to make a conscious effort to do. He's a great physical talent, but I don't see this "greatness" that fans from the east claimed since he was a teenager. Former greats seem to agree as well. He is no MJ or Kobe.



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Post#168 » by BeatDaCavs420 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:24 am

Yup

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Post#169 » by Lalouie » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:25 am

all this stuff negates whatever "goat greatness" he has to just "great".

he is not a good teammate. there seems to be a universal understanding that if you're a star and you're his teammate, be prepared to deal with his drama. vets may tolerate it because they have experience and can assume the responsibility. ain't working with the lakers though. klove is really the perfect example of life with lebron - his conclusion "there's a a lot of cr@p to deal with but the ring makes it worth it."
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Post#170 » by -TheDocOfDenial » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:26 am

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JellosJigglin wrote:I don't enjoy watching Lebron play. He just kind of floats and fills the stat box with little effort. I don't think he's nearly as good as his numbers indicate. He's always been aware of his stats and analytics and I think he shapes his game in a very stat friendly way, and rarely takes risks. I think he's a guy who is extremely sensitive to failure. He feels as long as he puts up stats he has done his part, and if the team fails it's because other guys didn't do the same. Guys who are killers just put themselves all out there and don't hold anything back. They want to rip your heart out at all costs. Lebron doesn't naturally have that in him. That's why he talks about being "activated". It's something he has to make a conscious effort to do. He's a great physical talent, but I don't see this "greatness" that fans from the east claimed since he was a teenager. Former greats seem to agree as well. He is no MJ or Kobe.



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Nothing funny about that. Kobe tore his Achilles carrying an old squad of bums to the playoffs in a more competitive western conference while LeBron out there throwing teammates under the bus yet again.
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Post#171 » by thebigbird » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:30 am

JellosJigglin wrote:I don't enjoy watching Lebron play. He just kind of floats and fills the stat box with little effort. I don't think he's nearly as good as his numbers indicate. He's always been aware of his stats and analytics and I think he shapes his game in a very stat friendly way, and rarely takes risks. I think he's a guy who is extremely sensitive to failure. He feels as long as he puts up stats he has done his part, and if the team fails it's because other guys didn't do the same. Guys who are killers just put themselves all out there and don't hold anything back. They want to rip your heart out at all costs. Lebron doesn't naturally have that in him. That's why he talks about being "activated". It's something he has to make a conscious effort to do. He's a great physical talent, but I don't see this "greatness" that fans from the east claimed since he was a teenager. Former greats seem to agree as well. He is no MJ or Kobe.

Congratulations on getting all the anti-LeBron cliches into one post. You even remembered to fit Kobe in.
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Post#172 » by thebigbird » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:31 am

Lalouie wrote:all this stuff negates whatever "goat greatness" he has to just "great".

he is not a good teammate. there seems to be a universal understanding that if you're a star and you're his teammate, be prepared to deal with his drama. vets may tolerate it because they have experience and can assume the responsibility. ain't working with the lakers though. klove is really the perfect example of life with lebron - his conclusion "there's a a lot of cr@p to deal with but the ring makes it worth it."

Kobe raped a woman and Jordan was a compulsive gambler and womanizer, but LeBron's comments to the media negate his "goat greatness"? Got it.
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Post#173 » by JellosJigglin » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:33 am

thebigbird wrote:
JellosJigglin wrote:I don't enjoy watching Lebron play. He just kind of floats and fills the stat box with little effort. I don't think he's nearly as good as his numbers indicate. He's always been aware of his stats and analytics and I think he shapes his game in a very stat friendly way, and rarely takes risks. I think he's a guy who is extremely sensitive to failure. He feels as long as he puts up stats he has done his part, and if the team fails it's because other guys didn't do the same. Guys who are killers just put themselves all out there and don't hold anything back. They want to rip your heart out at all costs. Lebron doesn't naturally have that in him. That's why he talks about being "activated". It's something he has to make a conscious effort to do. He's a great physical talent, but I don't see this "greatness" that fans from the east claimed since he was a teenager. Former greats seem to agree as well. He is no MJ or Kobe.

Congratulations on getting all the anti-LeBron cliches into one post. You even remembered to fit Kobe in.


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Post#174 » by JellosJigglin » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:36 am

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JellosJigglin wrote:I don't enjoy watching Lebron play. He just kind of floats and fills the stat box with little effort. I don't think he's nearly as good as his numbers indicate. He's always been aware of his stats and analytics and I think he shapes his game in a very stat friendly way, and rarely takes risks. I think he's a guy who is extremely sensitive to failure. He feels as long as he puts up stats he has done his part, and if the team fails it's because other guys didn't do the same. Guys who are killers just put themselves all out there and don't hold anything back. They want to rip your heart out at all costs. Lebron doesn't naturally have that in him. That's why he talks about being "activated". It's something he has to make a conscious effort to do. He's a great physical talent, but I don't see this "greatness" that fans from the east claimed since he was a teenager. Former greats seem to agree as well. He is no MJ or Kobe.



:lol:


Nothing funny about that. Kobe tore his Achilles carrying an old squad of bums to the playoffs in a more competitive western conference while LeBron out there throwing teammates under the bus yet again.


Remember when he showed up to a postgame press conference with a fake cast and said he was going to need surgery in the offseason? :lol:
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Post#175 » by kamby12 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:38 am

All he really trying to do is light a fire under the players and get them to play alittle angry which might be a good thing. Their best games have been when they’ve been on edge and aggressive. More often than not they too lackidasical and soft. Hopefully it works. Hopefully it pisses some players off and gets them going.
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Post#176 » by LKN » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:40 am

Some of you anti-Lebron people are nuts.

I'm not even that huge of a Lebron fan; I don't find his style of play particularly entertaining and I think MJ was clearly better.

That being said, I can't deny the guy is an awesome player and is IMO a top-3 player of all time (I don't think anyone could put him out of the top 5 - even if you really don't like him). Comparing him to Kobe is absurd. Come on; there are things to criticize with Lebron, but this absurd hater nonsense makes it difficult to have a real conversation.
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Post#177 » by -TheDocOfDenial » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:49 am

LKN wrote:Some of you anti-Lebron people are nuts.

I'm not even that huge of a Lebron fan; I don't find his style of play particularly entertaining and I think MJ was clearly better.

That being said, I can't deny the guy is an awesome player and is IMO a top-3 player of all time (I don't think anyone could put him out of the top 5 - even if you really don't like him). Comparing him to Kobe is absurd. Come on; there are things to criticize with Lebron, but this absurd hater nonsense makes it difficult to have a real conversation.


This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. LeBron is like the opposite of Phil Jackson, dude uses the media to destroy his teams instead of bringing them together. Too many clown moments to recall but off the top of my head and the funniest one was the fake elbow injury he had against the Bulls, setting up an excuse for when the Celtics made his visibly quit at the end of that series.
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Post#178 » by LKN » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:54 am

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LKN wrote:Some of you anti-Lebron people are nuts.

I'm not even that huge of a Lebron fan; I don't find his style of play particularly entertaining and I think MJ was clearly better.

That being said, I can't deny the guy is an awesome player and is IMO a top-3 player of all time (I don't think anyone could put him out of the top 5 - even if you really don't like him). Comparing him to Kobe is absurd. Come on; there are things to criticize with Lebron, but this absurd hater nonsense makes it difficult to have a real conversation.


This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. LeBron is like the opposite of Phil Jackson, dude uses the media to destroy his teams instead of bringing them together. Too many clown moments to recall but off the top of my head and the funniest one was the fake elbow injury he had against the Bulls, setting up an excuse for when the Celtics made his visibly quit at the end of that series.


LOL, I fully realize it's OT (in fact I mentioned that the thread had gone totally OT several times earlier today).

Thanks for bringing it back around..... and yes - I do think some of the dumb media stuff is stuff to criticize.

People say it doesn't matter..... but I think it can impact chemistry and really - why do people think Kyrie left (although to be fair - Kyrie is kind of an idiot)
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Post#179 » by An Unbiased Fan » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:55 am

kamby12 wrote:All he really trying to do is light a fire under the players and get them to play alittle angry which might be a good thing. Their best games have been when they’ve been on edge and aggressive. More often than not they too lackidasical and soft. Hopefully it works. Hopefully it pisses some players off and gets them going.

I think he's lost the team. Can't think of another superstar tha'ts had this happen, but trying to trade the roster away...killed the lockerroom. In Cleveland, Lebron was king. But in LA no one is scared of him. Rondo is the vet people look on the Lakers look to, not Bron. Speaks volumes.
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Post#180 » by JellosJigglin » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:57 am

LKN wrote:Some of you anti-Lebron people are nuts.

I'm not even that huge of a Lebron fan; I don't find his style of play particularly entertaining and I think MJ was clearly better.

That being said, I can't deny the guy is an awesome player and is IMO a top-3 player of all time (I don't think anyone could put him out of the top 5 - even if you really don't like him). Comparing him to Kobe is absurd. Come on; there are things to criticize with Lebron, but this absurd hater nonsense makes it difficult to have a real conversation.


People are allowed to have different opinions. Ask former players and you get a much different opinion of Lebron. Message boards try to bully a generation into agreeing with one opinion. I've been watching the NBA for 35 years and I just flat out don't like this guy. I don't enjoy watching him play and I don't like his God complex personality. Don't care for his self-praise when the team succeeds and finger-pointing when they lose. I've seen enough greats in my lifetime to form my own opinion. I don't need people telling me what I should think. Looking forward to the day he retires.

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