Galloisdaman wrote:DoItALL9 wrote:Galloisdaman wrote:
That is what a team is about but would they have won without Curry? Without Klay? Without Green? Without Livingston? Often championships take contributions from many players. That does not mean they are all hall of famers.
The Cavs would not have won in 2016 without Tristan Thompsons 10points and 10 rebounds a game. Does that make him a driving force for that ring and deserving of the hall of fame?
Rings do not equal hall of fame and lack of rings does not mean they are not a hall of famer.
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I don't believe the Warriors would've won those championships if they were missing any of those players minus Shaun Livingston. They didn't only win once. They're possibly about to win their 4th which is very significant in the history of the game.
Tristan Thompson's (significant) contribution to 1 title is not truly comparable.
The 2004 Detroit Pistons did not have a superstar player. They won as unit. One ring doesn't earn them HoF status in my opinion however if they had won 4 in a row or 4 in 5 years as the Warriors look apt to do they would be. There's precedence for this with the 60s Celtics. Not every player made the Hall but key contributors did.
Also, it doesn't make sense to try to tell the history of the game which is what the Hall does and not include a Finals MVP. "You play to win the game" and he was deemed the most important player of the series that everyone set out at the start of the year to win.
"Rings do not equal hall of fame and lack of rings does not mean they are not a hall of famer."
Maybe not in your opinion but at a certain point they do seemingly in Springfield, MA if you're a key contributer.
"Key" is subjective though.
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I think being a significant player is what qualifies you for the Hall Of Fame not rings. Judging guys by rings for a team game where a guy is a passenger not a driver is crazy. Iggy has not even been a great playoff player for GS. He averages 9ppg and shoots around 53% from the line in his 6 playoff seasons with GS. He has had some good moments but that is not a hall of fame career. If not for Curry, Klay, Green, and Durant would you be mentioning Iggy as a Hall Of Famer? Other guys on a team should not make someone a hall of famer. You mentioned being a finals mvp. Larry Brown of the Cowboys was a superbowl MVP. By this way of thinking that would make him a NFL Hall OF Famer. Has there been many guys at Iggys level even named Finals MVP? I'm happy he got it but I'm not even sure he really deserved it over Curry (26ppg-5rpg-6apg) ?
"I think being a significant player is what qualifies you for the Hall Of Fame not rings. Judging guys by rings for a team game where a guy is a passenger not a driver is crazy."
Significant is subjective. The overall goal for players and franchises is to win rings. Contributing to the team winning and as valuable as being "significant." many guys have to tone down personal achievements to help the team win titles. Overvalued personal stats in a team game is crazy if you're aren't the champion, imo.
"Iggy has not even been a great playoff player for GS. He averages 9ppg and shoots around 53% from the line in his 6 playoff seasons with GS. He has had some good moments but that is not a hall of fame career."
He was great enough that the GM thought he was worth $15M a year (when Nick Young couldn't even get a minimum contract). The GM must be looking further than those un-impressive stats you just listed. Something doesn't add up there.
" If not for Curry, Klay, Green, and Durant would you be mentioning Iggy as a Hall Of Famer?"
Potentially, he could've gone to Houston and pushed them to be heading to their 2nd title this season, possibly. Impossible to say. (The Warriors weren't champs before he got there.)
Larry Brown of the Cowboys was a superbowl MVP. By this way of thinking that would make him a NFL Hall OF Famer.
This is funny. First, this is a different sport with a different Hall of Fame so the criteria in which they put guys in is not truly comparable. 53 man teams vs 17. Secondly, Neil O'Donnell in most folks opinions gifted this two interceptions to Larry Brown. He did nothing of note the rest of his career.
Andre Igoudala's championship moments and personal accolades run laps around Larry Brown.
Has there been many guys at Iggys level even named Finals MVP? I'm happy he got it but I'm not even sure he really deserved it over Curry (26ppg-5rpg-6apg)
I've never taken the time to go thru and rank them all. I think it's debatable that he should've won it but it can't be taken away and at the least it could've gone either way so that speaks very well for his contribution.
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