2019 NBA Finals Thread #4: Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors | TIED AT 1

[LKN]

I hate this stuff. The warriors are a better playoff defense than the bucks.

No they aren't. The Bucks STILL have the best DRTG of any playoff team despite losing to the Raptors.

Playoff advanced stats are heavily influenced by playing the same team 4 to 7 times each round. There's no point using it in a comparison

It's better than throwing out baseless assertions with no evidence.

I'm quite aware of the limitations and lack of common opponents. Flawed - but it is at least some evidence.

[Clyde Frazier]

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Well ****.

[Admiral-Kizaru]

As memetastic that comment was there is an ounce of truth to it, and might clear up why Curry has no Finals hardware.

There was a GS poster saying Curry should play better at home. Like aren't role players like Iggy, Cook, and Cousins supposed to do that.

They looked more impressive relative to their role than Curry did tonight.

[dhsilv2]

No they aren't. The Bucks STILL have the best DRTG of any playoff team despite losing to the Raptors.

The bucks didn't play the same teams as anyone else. Not really a comparable way to use defensive rating here.

Bucks played the 21st offense, 10th and 5th.
Warriors 9th, 2nd, 3rd

Not really fair to compare a team that overwhelmingly played better offenses is it?

Certainly it's not perfect.... then again almost 10 points lower DRTG is pretty significant and the Bucks were also clearly better in the regular season. At least it's some actual evidence

I mean the bucks are a great defense, but you can't look at who they played and think it's remotely comparable, right? The bucks in the first round got to play a down right bad offense (blake was that team this year imo). Then they got by playoff standards a so so one all be it below average in the celtics. Raptors are of course good and they did well against them too. The warriors had to play the two best offenses they could possible play and are now playing the 4th best they could possibly play.

[floppymoose]

Curry was **** to mediocre in tonight’s game. Green, Klay and Iguodala made important shots after shots. They were the reasons along with the team defense why the Warriors won tonight .

Havent been able to watch the game yet, but now at least i know that Curry played well.

[Peregrine01]

As memetastic that comment was there is an ounce of truth to it, and might clear up why Curry has no Finals hardware.

There was a GS poster saying Curry should play better at home. Like aren't role players like Iggy, Cook, and Cousins supposed to do that.

They looked more impressive relative to their role than Curry did tonight.

People are obsessed with box score stats. What Curry did tonight can’t be reflected in those kind of stats. The Raps were doubling him at HALF court to get the ball out of his hands.

[Son Goku 25]

LOL Most stacked team ever wins with the help of the refs.

I think raps messed up quite a bit, letting them go on that 18-0 and missing wide open looks but other then that, if Lowry can stop being an idiot on some of those fouls and refs not trying to take over the game, raps should be fine.

It'll be tough in Oakland though, usually, guys just shoot better at home so lets see.

Y’all have to be some of the biggest cry babies I’ve seen in history.. especially since the refs did everything to keep Toronto in the game & they still couldn’t make “shots” when it counts smh.

Btw as of right now on paper the Raps are more stacked than this injured Warriors team & they’re still keeping up with the Raptors SMH.. that’s why I felt Milwaukee vs Warriors would’ve been a much better matchup.

Heat fan talking in this thread? Lol like I told the other guy, I'm holding this L.

[Shock Defeat]

I marvel at the fact that so many in this thread can’t see how the Raps played a box and 1 on Curry. They put two guys on him at half court to get the ball out of his hands and dared anyone else to hit an open shot.

Meanwhile, Kawhi was dealing with a far less aggressive trap and couldn’t make the correct read. He got bailed out by a few calls but otherwise played really bad offensively.

people know, they just ignore it so they can continue pushing their garbage narratives

everyone who watched the game tonight knows damn well who it is

People tagged on Harden for not shooting in game 5 but it was the same thing that the warriors did to him

[B-Ball Freak]

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WOW that is insane, talk about moving the ball

[DonaldSanders]

How was Kawhi the best player on the floor? He shot 8/20 and looked like he missed every shot near the end when they needed a bucket. I would argue Cousins was fantastic this game almost getting a triple double and making some fantastic passes.

Kawhi was good though.

Bro, 8/20 for 34 points. As much as I love the Warriors, that's a hellova performance from Kawhi.

I dig Kawhi he's a great basketball player. but 34 points on 8/20 shooting isn't a helluva performance. He missed crucial shots down the stretch when they needed a bucket and had 5 TO's. He was good.

Not close to a great performance. Anyone who actually watched the game knows it.

Man it's tough. On one hand, I agree on the crunch time. At the same time, that is 1.7 points per shot, very efficient. Maybe not great, maybe just very good, I don't know.

All I know is I'm jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacked after this big win GO WARRIORS!

[Statlanta]

People are obsessed with box score stats. What Curry did tonight can’t be reflected in those kind of stats. The Raps were doubling him at HALF court to get the ball out of his hands.

Box score doesn't tell me all the lazy passes Steph threw that got his teammates in worse positions or how Steph set his teammates up for turnovers, or how many times he showed his poor shot selection.

It does tell me that Quin Cook outperformed himself.

[Dr_Heat]

LOL Most stacked team ever wins with the help of the refs.

I think raps messed up quite a bit, letting them go on that 18-0 and missing wide open looks but other then that, if Lowry can stop being an idiot on some of those fouls and refs not trying to take over the game, raps should be fine.

It'll be tough in Oakland though, usually, guys just shoot better at home so lets see.

Y’all have to be some of the biggest cry babies I’ve seen in history.. especially since the refs did everything to keep Toronto in the game & they still couldn’t make “shots” when it counts smh.

Btw as of right now on paper the Raps are more stacked than this injured Warriors team & they’re still keeping up with the Raptors SMH.. that’s why I felt Milwaukee vs Warriors would’ve been a much better matchup.

Heat fan talking in this thread? Lol like I told the other guy, I'm holding this L.

Hey Hey I’m a heat fan and I’m in this thread. I really think the raps will win 1 game in Warriors territory

[Admiral-Kizaru]

People are obsessed with box score stats. What Curry did tonight can’t be reflected in those kind of stats. The Raps were doubling him at HALF court to get the ball out of his hands.

Box score doesn't tell me all the lazy passes Steph threw that got his teammates in worse positions or set themselves up for turnovers, or how many times he showed his poor shot selection.

It does tell me that Quin Cook outperformed himself.

[HBK_Kliq_33]

Counting those attempts are irrelevant when he's getting fouled while doing them.

I'm counting it as a possession used. That's not irrelevant.

You said he scored 34 points on 20 shots. No, on those 20 shots he scored 18 points. The other 16 points were scored on OTHER possessions/attempts to score that were on top of the 20 shots, which you're ignoring when you say it like that.

Wrong way to do it:
Kawhi scored 34 points on 20 shots
Klay scored 25 points on 17 shots

Misleading and makes Kawhi sound like he scored more efficiently than Klay.

What actually happened and right way to do it:
Kawhi scored 34 points on 28 possessions/scoring attempts
Klay scored 25 points on 18 possessions/scoring attempts

Klay scored more efficiently than Kawhi.

No one ever seems to acknowledge this.

Well klay was the better 3 point shooter and that's what made him more efficient tonight. Kawhi struggled from the 3 point line and still had 34 points on 20 shots and 28 possessions, that's still very good.

[Vlade Divac]

Best ever 34 assists on 38 made field goals; people love here how ball was “zipping”; great 3 point shooting; “phenomenal defence” - and all these superlatives when in fact one GSW missed three and if one of ten wide open threes goes for Raptors they win this game. Just wonder what narrative would be used then - Raptors with 60 % of their potential and 30% of shooting beat stellar GSW. If anything this game is just encouraging for Raptors and we will see soon enough.

[GM Wotsup]

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Quinn Cooke to get max deal after he and running mate Iggy Iggyola rescue GSW on the road after Klay succumbs to shooters leg.

[dhsilv2]

I'm counting it as a possession used. That's not irrelevant.

You said he scored 34 points on 20 shots. No, on those 20 shots he scored 18 points. The other 16 points were scored on OTHER possessions/attempts to score that were on top of the 20 shots, which you're ignoring when you say it like that.

Wrong way to do it:
Kawhi scored 34 points on 20 shots
Klay scored 25 points on 17 shots

Misleading and makes Kawhi sound like he scored more efficiently than Klay.

What actually happened and right way to do it:
Kawhi scored 34 points on 28 possessions/scoring attempts
Klay scored 25 points on 18 possessions/scoring attempts

Klay scored more efficiently than Kawhi.

No one ever seems to acknowledge this.

Well klay was the better 3 point shooter and that's what made him more efficient tonight. Kawhi struggled from the 3 point line and still had 34 points on 20 shots and 28 possessions, that's still very good.

Does the 28 include turnovers? Seriously not sure, if it does that's absolutely great. Also assists? Do we count the assisted points?

I mean 121 points per possession is not goat player but goat team offense so yeah awesome.

[HBK_Kliq_33]

elementary analysts will never understand this and the impact it has on literally everyone else.

HBK is a hard Kawhi fan boy though so he's gonna ignore it.

Well I'm not hating on curry but in the Rockets series it was Draymond who was the MVP, in this series so far its Draymond who is the MVP. Am I wrong? Imagine Kawhi not being the MVP on this raptors team, they would get swept.

If someone played better than Leonard the raptors would be undefeated in the playoffs...

Kawhi 34 points 16-16 FT and Lowry was either playing like crap or in foul trouble. The same Lowry who was raptors 2nd best player in the ECF. Leonard had zero help from his second star, it was a carry job playing against 4 all stars.I don't think you can put any blame on Kawhi tonight. Lowry was fouled out both games, they are lucky to even come out with 1 win.

[dhsilv2]

Best ever 34 assists on 38 made field goals; people love here how ball was “zipping”; great 3 point shooting; “phenomenal defence” - and all these superlatives when in fact one GSW missed three and if one of ten wide open threes goes for Raptors they win this game. Just wonder what narrative would be used then - Raptors with 60 % of their potential and 30% of shooting beat stellar GSW. If anything this game is just encouraging for Raptors and we will see soon enough.

If they lost it would be about either klay going down and the offense stagnating or the terrible narrative of Curry wasn't good enough. Still none the less the passing was great and the defense was great. The warriors beat a seriously great team which makes all of those numbers more impressive.

[dr3am]

LOL Most stacked team ever wins with the help of the refs.

I think raps messed up quite a bit, letting them go on that 18-0 and missing wide open looks but other then that, if Lowry can stop being an idiot on some of those fouls and refs not trying to take over the game, raps should be fine.

It'll be tough in Oakland though, usually, guys just shoot better at home so lets see.

Y’all have to be some of the biggest cry babies I’ve seen in history.. especially since the refs did everything to keep Toronto in the game & they still couldn’t make “shots” when it counts smh.

Btw as of right now on paper the Raps are more stacked than this injured Warriors team & they’re still keeping up with the Raptors SMH.. that’s why I felt Milwaukee vs Warriors would’ve been a much better matchup.

Heat fan talking in this thread? Lol like I told the other guy, I'm holding this L.

I responded to you coz you’re whining irritated me, especially when everything you said was straight gibberish. State facts before you talk sir..

Also when the team you follow has multiple championships & didn’t whine about refs like you & majority of the fan base of Toronto does, you’re allowed to speak

But hey you’re ambassador is a well known cry baby not only on his records but in the music game in general so... yea, bye