Gilbert Arenas and Lou Williams with shots fired on 90's and 70's eras

magicman1978 · Post #161 » by **magicman1978** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:44 pm

There's a lot that is factually incorrect about what Arenas/Williams said. The average height/weight for players hasn't really changed much in the last 30-40 years. And if we're talking athleticism, I think the 96 finals teams match up pretty well athleticism wise to this year's finals teams.

deneem4 · Post #162 » by **deneem4** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:46 pm

And btw Noah was the start of this new era (how ironic)

magicman1978 · Post #163 » by **magicman1978** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:48 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
magicman1978 wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:You put somebody 40lbs less, it's not going to be a fight. It's going to be a beat down.

Look how Demare Carroll did on Lebron. He got lit up at 215.

Kawhi in 2014 was about the same size as prime Pippen...

Nooo…(strength).

Yes

Rockmaninoff · Post #164 » by **Rockmaninoff** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:48 pm

mademan wrote:lmao, Rodman's unplayable in todays league. Cant dribble, cant pass, cant shoot. Almost certainly a C in the draymond mold; great defense but his offense makes him unplayable against any decent team.

He was actually a pretty good passer and finisher, he just deferred touches to everyone else cause it wasn't his strength.

LakerLegend · Post #165 » by **LakerLegend** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:50 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:
BigShaq34 wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:Lost respect for arenas with his BS claims here. Always used to support his very short prime since most didn't realize how good he was. What a trash move especially attacking Anthony mason when he isn't even alive.

What did he say about mason?

Read on Twitter

Watch the video.

Post #166 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:52 pm

LakerLegend wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:
BigShaq34 wrote:What did he say about mason?

Read on Twitter

Watch the video.

Real classy.

SSUBluesman · Post #167 » by **SSUBluesman** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:55 pm

LakerLegend wrote:
SK21209 wrote:Truth that no one wants to admit is due to sports science the current generation of players will always be generally better than the last and the next generation will be better than the present.

Not true, there are limits to what the human body can do.

This is just being pedantic. The point isn't that there are no upper bounds on the athletic ability of the human body but rather that the current collection of athletes will be further ahead than the previous one, and this is absolutely true. Pitch speed in MLB is a great example of this where more guys are throwing faster. This doesn't even have to be about absolute top speed as you've got deGrom throwing 93 MPH sliders and Syndergaard throwing 91 MPH changeups.

ArtMorte · Post #168 » by **ArtMorte** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:56 pm

Would LeBron himself be as athletic and strong in the 70's? No he wouldn't.

Harcore Fenton Mun · Post #169 » by **Harcore Fenton Mun** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:58 pm

magicman1978 wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
magicman1978 wrote:
Kawhi in 2014 was about the same size as prime Pippen...

Nooo…(strength).

Yes

Watch on YouTube

He had him beat pre draft (just talking bodies).

ropjhk · Post #170 » by **ropjhk** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:58 pm

Imon wrote:That disrespect to Rodman.
I bet prime Rodman would still average 14 rpg in today's league. I mean if Westbrook can get 10+ rpg then so can Rodman.

I do agree with the Lebron in '75 though - he'd wreck the league. I'm doubtful about the 15 chips although I'm sure that was hyperbole on Lou's part.

I bet prime Rodman would average 18 rpg in today's game.

LakerLegend · Post #171 » by **LakerLegend** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:58 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:
LakerLegend wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:

Read on Twitter

Watch the video.

Real classy.

I'm laughing at Arenas stupidity.

magicman1978 · Post #172 » by **magicman1978** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:02 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
He had him beat pre draft (just talking bodies).

Right, that's why he was only able to bench 185 3 times during the draft combine. Really strong.

Harcore Fenton Mun · Post #173 » by **Harcore Fenton Mun** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:09 pm

magicman1978 wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
He had him beat pre draft (just talking bodies).

Right, that's why he was only able to bench 185 3 times during the draft combine. Really strong.

Sure, but he's one of the strongest in the league atm. With about 2% body fat.

dho4ever · Post #174 » by **dho4ever** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:13 pm

shtolky wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
shtolky wrote:Pippen would be a top 5 defender in today's game without question. This is silly. But it's Arenas after all. Rodman would still clean up the boards.

Rodman would be borderline unplayable on offense, nobody would guard him.

Pretty much how it was in the 90's too. Such a good defender and rebounder it was ok, though granted he was playing with Jordan and Pippen.

Defenses are a lot better at switching and the rule change of allowing zones will definitely affect Rodman's team on the offensive end. I see it a lot like the Warriors with Draymond. Despite having 3 elite offensive weapons, the offense suffers when Draymond is on the floor because teams can ignore him and play a 4-5 zone.

struby3 · Post #175 » by **struby3** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:13 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
magicman1978 wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
He had him beat pre draft (just talking bodies).

Right, that's why he was only able to bench 185 3 times during the draft combine. Really strong.

Sure, but he's one of the strongest in the league atm. With about 2% body fat.

Men need 3% body fat for proper cellular function. Kawhi does not have only 2% body fat, nor is he one of the strongest players in the league. Pound for pound? Maybe he is in that discussion.

BigShaq34 · Post #176 » by **BigShaq34** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:14 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:
BigShaq34 wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:Lost respect for arenas with his BS claims here. Always used to support his very short prime since most didn't realize how good he was. What a trash move especially attacking Anthony mason when he isn't even alive.

What did he say about mason?

Read on Twitter

Watch the video.

I'm not sure that even deserves a response tbh

Comparing Westbrook's size to Mason's is just laughable. And they're laughing when they mention Mason's name. No respect.

magicman1978 · Post #177 » by **magicman1978** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:14 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
magicman1978 wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
He had him beat pre draft (just talking bodies).

Right, that's why he was only able to bench 185 3 times during the draft combine. Really strong.

Sure, but he's one of the strongest in the league atm. With about 2% body fat.

What about 2014? And what you're saying then is that Kawhi became stronger after he got to the NBA. Pippen couldn't do the same? Pippen was extremely strong and would often guard much bigger players.

Harcore Fenton Mun · Post #178 » by **Harcore Fenton Mun** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:22 pm

struby3 wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
magicman1978 wrote:
Right, that's why he was only able to bench 185 3 times during the draft combine. Really strong.

Sure, but he's one of the strongest in the league atm. With about 2% body fat.

Men need 3% body fat for proper cellular function. Kawhi does not have only 2% body fat, nor is he one of the strongest players in the league. Pound for pound? Maybe he is in that discussion.

Look at the guys that couldn't stop him this year. It's quite the list.

No one ever threw that at Pippen.

KyletheDingbat · Post #179 » by **KyletheDingbat** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:35 pm

Ludicrous! Scouts would be drooling over Pippen if he were coming in today with those measurables. Dude could dunk from the free throw line and had excellent lateral agility, length and strength. How many guys in today's league can match him with that? Giannis... That's it I think. There's more explosive players like Lebron, but guys were more explosive than Pip back then too.

Any argument you can make for players being more athletic today is easily refutable. If anything, I'd say the league is relying less on athleticism than ever before. Now you don't need to drive and dunk on someone to be an impact star, you need to be able to shoot off the dribble.

XxIronChainzxX · Post #180 » by **XxIronChainzxX** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:47 pm

An Unbiased Fan wrote:
23-_6-_23 wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:LOL @ Leborn in the pre-3pt era, with bigs clogging the paint.

LOL at the thought Lebron wouldn't dominate any era of basketball ever.

He wouldn't. Lebron couldnt' even dominate the Western Conference of his era, or internaitonal competition. In the 70's, Lebron would have been knocked down 30 tiems a game driving to the hoop. Don't get me wrong, he would still be great, but the whole 15 titles thing speaks to how delusion the current generation is. Despite the talent increase, there's been a serious drop in mental toughness in sports. Guys back then were from a different generation

LeBron dominated the West by any non-Jordan standard, ie, he just wasn't the GOAT, with a worse supporting cast than any equivalent team. He's won 3 meaningful titles to Kobe's 2, and you stan for Kobe every chance you get.