Giannis Antetokounmpo's FIBA Stats vs. NBA Stats

[Nuntius]

Allow me to isolate a claim first and then respond to everything else:

Also, Nuntius is wrong about Giannis never playing for Greece's youth national team. He most definitely did play for Greece youth national team. He played for Greece's Under-20 national team at the 2013 FIBA Under-20 Championship. He was in Greece's junior national team before he played in the NBA - so that claim just isn't true.

Giannis was drafted by the Milwaukee Bucks in June 27th, 2013. The 2013 FIBA Under-20 Championship that Giannis participated in took place from July 9th to July 21st, 2013. The NBA season, obviously, didn't start until October.

So, yes, I will give you that one. Giannis did play in our junior national team before he played in the NBA. However, he was drafted to the NBA before that tournament. If we're going to be really technical about it we need to mention both sides.

Just so everyone here knows, he's accusing me of being a racist, just for saying Thanasis isn't a good player. Tsoukalas was a guy in Greece that used hateful racial slurs against Giannis........this is the second time that Nuntius has accused me of this in this forum.

Think about this, he is saying that rating Thanasis to not be a good basketball payer (objectively speaking, he's awful), = racism.

And again, for everyone who thinks Thanasis isn't a good basketball player - Nuntius thinks that's racist....

The first time he accused me of this here, for saying Thanasis is not a good player, nothing happened, not even one response to such accusations. Evidently, no one here knows this Greek reference he is using, calling someone a "Tsoukalas" a - a reference to Greek sports commentator Takis Tsoukalas (Google him).

This is so everyone understands the accusation he is making here, for saying a bad player, is in fact, a bad player.

https://www.apnews.com/709116fbbccf430398f37bcb878aa06e

Greek prosecutor investigates TV slur against basketballer

A Greek prosecutor is investigating televised remarks made by a sport commentator who allegedly called black basketball player Thanasis Antetokounmpo an “ape.”

Takis Tsoukalas made the comments on Nov. 9 after Antetokounmpo’s Panathinaikos beat Olympiakos 93-80 in the Euroleague.

“They have an ape. That Antetokounmpo guy is an ape — that’s what I’m telling you,” he said. “What is that clown doing? Isn’t he ashamed of himself? He’s making his brother look bad.”

Allow me to clarify something. I'm not saying that everyone who believes that Thanasis isn't a good basketball player is a racist. In both cases, I was only implying that you are a racist, not everyone else who happened to be agree with this position. See, you have a history in the Bucks forum. Ever since they drafted Giannis you have spammed their forum with posts that have a very specific agenda against Giannis. The exact same kind of agenda that you exhibited when you started this very thread.

So, the question becomes this. Why do you have such an agenda against Giannis (and also his brother, Thanasis)? What's the reason behind it? You are clearly biased against them but where does this bias stem from? Is it based on your fandom or is it based somewhere else? That's the reason why some people (myself included) have started thinking that there is a racial motivation behind your bias.

Allow be to explain why Mirotic12 does not like Giannis. Mirotic12 is a superfan of Spanoulis he considers him to be the best Greek player and one of the best European ones. Spanoulis had a successful euroleague career but failed in his nba stint. Giannis has been great in the nba and gets all the praise, everybody outside of Greece considers him the best Greek player of all time. This gets into Mirotic12's nerves since he is obsessed with Spanoulis and waits every opportunity available to attack Giannis. It is not restricted to Giannis, ask him about Gallis who used to be the consensus best Greek player of all time (and probably still is between Greek fans). This could be the reason he hates nba as well, since Spanoulis flopped there it is not a real league.

Ok, this is really interesting. Thanks a lot for the insight. I am definitely surprised that this is the reason for his bias against Giannis (since it sounds like a very petty reason) but I do trust what you say so I revoke my previous claim of his bias being racially-motivated. I also apologize to Mirotic12 for those particular accusations. My assumption on his bias in this case was wrong.

[vagelis]

Allow be to explain why Mirotic12 does not like Giannis. Mirotic12 is a superfan of Spanoulis he considers him to be the best Greek player and one of the best European ones. Spanoulis had a successful euroleague career but failed in his nba stint. Giannis has been great in the nba and gets all the praise, everybody outside of Greece considers him the best Greek player of all time. This gets into Mirotic12's nerves since he is obsessed with Spanoulis and waits every opportunity available to attack Giannis. It is not restricted to Giannis, ask him about Gallis who used to be the consensus best Greek player of all time (and probably still is between Greek fans). This could be the reason he hates nba as well, since Spanoulis flopped there it is not a real league.

Spanoulis played only one year in nba and decided that he did not want to continue there.
He did not tried to play in nba. There are a lot of players who didn't had big role in their first year in nba but they tried and got a bigger role in the next years.
Spanoulis is the only greek player except Giannis in the last years who had the tools to play in nba. But he just didn't liked it there. I think he wanted to be near his family.
Watch the game Greece vs USA(with Lebron,Wade etc) when Greece won and you can see how explosive Spanoulis was.

Galis was in another level, best greek player ever. He just was unstoppable.
Many years with around(and above) 40ppg in Greece and above 30ppg in euroleage and fiba basketball(I think he had also 50 points against mj in college). He was shooting around 65% 2p.
Galis was a myth of european basketball.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikos_Galis

look at this video 32 yo Nick Galis when his athletic prime had passed

Watch on YouTube

[Beetlejuice]

Allow be to explain why Mirotic12 does not like Giannis. Mirotic12 is a superfan of Spanoulis he considers him to be the best Greek player and one of the best European ones. Spanoulis had a successful euroleague career but failed in his nba stint. Giannis has been great in the nba and gets all the praise, everybody outside of Greece considers him the best Greek player of all time. This gets into Mirotic12's nerves since he is obsessed with Spanoulis and waits every opportunity available to attack Giannis. It is not restricted to Giannis, ask him about Gallis who used to be the consensus best Greek player of all time (and probably still is between Greek fans). This could be the reason he hates nba as well, since Spanoulis flopped there it is not a real league.

Spanoulis played only one year in nba and decided that he did not want to continue there.
He did not tried to play in nba. There are a lot of players who didn't had big role in their first year in nba but they tried and got a bigger role in the next years.
Spanoulis is the only greek player except Giannis in the last years who had the tools to play in nba. But he just didn't liked it there. I think he wanted to be near his family.
Watch the game Greece vs USA(with Lebron,Wade etc) when Greece won and you can see how explosive Spanoulis was.

Galis was in another level, best greek player ever. He just was unstoppable.
Many years with around(and above) 40ppg in Greece and above 30 in euroleage and fiba basketball(I think he had also 50 points against mj in college).
Galis was a myth of european basketball.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikos_Galis

look at this video 32 yo Nick Galis when his athletic prime had passed

Watch on YouTube

Looked him up, came away extremely impressed.

Loved some quotes from wiki :

"If I'm the devil's son, then Galis is the devil himself.", Dražen Petrović

"Although Drazen (i.e. Petrović) is my brother, for the best athlete of 1987, I voted for Galis."', Aco Petrović

"I had given specific instructions on how to defend against the other 4 players. As for Nikos, we just had to sit down and pray!", Vojcek Kricovski, CSKA Moscow coach.

[TheNG]

Spanoulis was the best winner I ever witnessed , and I'm not an Olympiacos fan at all. He was the definition of "clutch". A great leader. The way he carried his team time after time to the final four, with two times winning the Eurolague with this team (+another one with Pana), was just amazing. I remember how every year all the journalists and betting sites bet against them, and each time he carried them way above the expected results . On the paper, or budget wise, that Olympiacos team was not close to the rich clubs rosters, and yet they over-accomplished again and again.
If I need to translate his achievements to the NBA, it would be like: Imagine last year's Denver roster would win the title, and do it 2 times in 4 years, while making the finals each of the 4 years.
Spanoulis wasn't built to be just another "role player" in the NBA, so his failure is more due to that than to "skill" issue in my opinion.

[Inspektor1312]

What? I'm not sure if you're trolling right now.
Serbia under Djordjevic has won silver medals at 3 of the last 4 tournaments they participated in, with 2 of those final losses coming against the USA. In the 12 years before Djordjevic came, Serbia won only one medal.

And he's literally a coach of a Euroleague team, Virtus Bologna, since they reportedly purchased a wild card.

They constantly choked at finals, no gold medals, despite having teams that could have done it. Losing to USA as an excuse isn't a good argument either. They didn't just lose, they were annihilated and totally embarrassed, twice. Had upset losses also...

Virtus Bologna is in the EuroCup, not the EuroLeague. Djordjevic did a terrible job at Panathinaikos. His EuroLeague record is:

17-13 - with big name clubs. Hardly setting the world on fire. He didn't even succeed in EuroCup (level below EuroLeague), with a team like Bayern Munich. That should have been a team winning championships at EuroCup, and they failed.

https://www.euroleague.net/competition/coaches/showcoach?pcode=AIP

Many coaches in Europe could have done better with these Serbian teams than he has.

There isn't a NT in the world that could beat those two US teams in an elimination game, and saying that Serbia "choked" against the likes of Durant, Curry and Harden is ridiculous. Out of 4 major tournaments that he coached so far, Serbia fell bellow expectations only at Eurobasket 2015.
In 2017. he basically led Serbia's C team to the finals, with Bogdanovic being the only top quality player due various to injuries and cancellations.

I agree that he's been underwhelming as a club coach, but he's done wonders for the NT. Like someone else already said, coaching a NT is very different than coaching a club. Look at it this way - Obradovic, who is literally the best Euroleague coach of all time, failed miserably with Serbian NT at both 2004. Olympics(11th place, worst place in Serbian history) and at 2005. Eurobasket that was hosted by Serbia, despite having amazing players on paper. The problem wasn't his tactical prowess or ability, the problem was managing player's egos and having authority.

Djordjevic has shown that he's mastered that. He's a national icon and at the first whiff of selfishness/other problems, he handles it perfectly, plus he's an amazing motivator. He's not perfect by any means, but there's probably only two coaches I'd rather see leading the Serbian NT in the coming years - Popovic and Pesic. Since the chance of getting either of them is pretty much zero, I'm very happy with "Sale Nacionale".

[truly]

Stop taking Mirotic12 seriously.He is extremely bitter that his favorite player and idol averaged 3ppg in the NBA and went bald in his early thirties.

[Pachinko_]

Allow be to explain why Mirotic12 does not like Giannis. Mirotic12 is a superfan of Spanoulis he considers him to be the best Greek player and one of the best European ones. Spanoulis had a successful euroleague career but failed in his nba stint. Giannis has been great in the nba and gets all the praise, everybody outside of Greece considers him the best Greek player of all time. This gets into Mirotic12's nerves since he is obsessed with Spanoulis and waits every opportunity available to attack Giannis. It is not restricted to Giannis, ask him about Gallis who used to be the consensus best Greek player of all time (and probably still is between Greek fans). This could be the reason he hates nba as well, since Spanoulis flopped there it is not a real league.

Spanoulis played only one year in nba and decided that he did not want to continue there.
He did not tried to play in nba. There are a lot of players who didn't had big role in their first year in nba but they tried and got a bigger role in the next years.
Spanoulis is the only greek player except Giannis in the last years who had the tools to play in nba. But he just didn't liked it there. I think he wanted to be near his family.
Watch the game Greece vs USA(with Lebron,Wade etc) when Greece won and you can see how explosive Spanoulis was.

Galis was in another level, best greek player ever. He just was unstoppable.
Many years with around(and above) 40ppg in Greece and above 30 in euroleage and fiba basketball(I think he had also 50 points against mj in college).
Galis was a myth of european basketball.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikos_Galis

look at this video 32 yo Nick Galis when his athletic prime had passed

Watch on YouTube

Looked him up, came away extremely impressed.

Loved some quotes from wiki :

"If I'm the devil's son, then Galis is the devil himself.", Dražen Petrović

"Although Drazen (i.e. Petrović) is my brother, for the best athlete of 1987, I voted for Galis."', Aco Petrović

"I had given specific instructions on how to defend against the other 4 players. As for Nikos, we just had to sit down and pray!", Vojcek Kricovski, CSKA Moscow coach.

IMO Galis (who grew up in New Jersey I think), was the perfect mixture of American and European basketball, just like Giannis is now. America still is and probably always will be the Mecca of basketball, it has a way of maximising a bunch of things on players: physical tools, individual skills, work ethic, professionalism, and most importantly when players are successful there it gives them a tremendous boost of confidence that they carry with them in every game. But European basketball also adds something, it gives players a different perspective of the game and (I believe, personal opinion) some additional elements of team play, discipline, coaching and strategy.

I don't know why there is antagonism between fans of both sides of the pond when it's clear that both schools have things to learn from each other and can produce such incredible hybrids.

[Mirotic12]

Quite frankly, Giannis' play at this 2019 World Cup was extremely embarrassing for the NBA. To have the league MVP play so poorly - it's a marketing nightmare for the NBA.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Mirotic did you feel ridiculous when someone pointed out the per minute stats earlier in the thread, and did you stay away from the thread for a while out of simple embarassment?

No offence implied, obviously.

[Mirotic12]

Mirotic did you feel ridiculous when someone pointed out the per minute stats earlier in the thread, and did you stay away from the thread for a while out of simple embarassment?

No offence implied, obviously.

His FIBA numbers are worse per minute than his NBA numbers.

They are worse overall, they are worse in basic stats, they are worse per minute ---> they are worse no matter what spin is put on it.

[trueballer7]

Spanoulis was the best winner I ever witnessed , and I'm not an Olympiacos fan at all. He was the definition of "clutch". A great leader. The way he carried his team time after time to the final four, with two times winning the Eurolague with this team (+another one with Pana), was just amazing. I remember how every year all the journalists and betting sites bet against them, and each time he carried them way above the expected results . On the paper, or budget wise, that Olympiacos team was not close to the rich clubs rosters, and yet they over-accomplished again and again.
If I need to translate his achievements to the NBA, it would be like: Imagine last year's Denver roster would win the title, and do it 2 times in 4 years, while making the finals each of the 4 years.
Spanoulis wasn't built to be just another "role player" in the NBA, so his failure is more due to that than to "skill" issue in my opinion.

Spanoulis never carried Olympiakos. Not once. In every single, every single, Final Four game the whole Olympiakos team would perform way beyond expectations. Spanoulis would either be attrocious for 3/4 of the games, only to steal all the glory with a couple of late game shots or he'd be attrocious for the full duration of the game. Its no accident that both times Olympiakos won the Euroleague Final, we came back from 19 and 17 point deficits when Spanoulis was benched. The only game where he performed as he should have in the FF, was the semifinal with Barcelona in 2012. If there was a need to trasnlate his achievements to the NBA, it would be like : Kobe Bryant in game 7 of the 2010 Finals but without the defense

[Mirotic12]

Spanoulis was the best winner I ever witnessed , and I'm not an Olympiacos fan at all. He was the definition of "clutch". A great leader. The way he carried his team time after time to the final four, with two times winning the Eurolague with this team (+another one with Pana), was just amazing. I remember how every year all the journalists and betting sites bet against them, and each time he carried them way above the expected results . On the paper, or budget wise, that Olympiacos team was not close to the rich clubs rosters, and yet they over-accomplished again and again.
If I need to translate his achievements to the NBA, it would be like: Imagine last year's Denver roster would win the title, and do it 2 times in 4 years, while making the finals each of the 4 years.
Spanoulis wasn't built to be just another "role player" in the NBA, so his failure is more due to that than to "skill" issue in my opinion.

Spanoulis never carried Olympiakos. Not once. In every single, every single, Final Four game the whole Olympiakos team would perform way beyond expectations. Spanoulis would either be attrocious for 3/4 of the games, only to steal all the glory with a couple of late game shots or he'd be attrocious for the full duration of the game. Its no accident that both times Olympiakos won the Euroleague Final, we came back from 19 and 17 point deficits when Spanoulis was benched. The only game where he performed as he should have in the FF, was the semifinal with Barcelona in 2012. If there was a need to trasnlate his achievements to the NBA, it would be like : Kobe Bryant in game 7 of the 2010 Finals but without the defense

Ah, the Panathinaikos fans (with an Olympiacos avy for effect) are arriving to the rescue. Can't allow a positive Spanoulis comment to exist on the internets....

As for reality, a couple years ago the EuroLeague named Spanoulis as the most clutch EuroLeague player of all time (since 1958). Panathinaikos fans..................

https://www.euroleague.net/news/i/7p9t6o7s5q9qbmtv/vladimir-stankovic-s-list-top-10-clutch-players

1. Vassilis Spanoulis (1982)

More than just decisive, Spanoulis is the second three-time EuroLeague Final Four MVP, after Kukoc, but the only person to simultaneously win that award and the title three times. A gifted playmaker, a consummate leader and a peerless scorer, whether inside or outside, Spanoulis is above all a repository of trust from both his coaches and his teammates. Few teams depend so much on a player as Olympiacos does with Spanoulis. The most extreme case could be seen at the EuroLeague championship game in London 2013 against Real Madrid. Spanoulis did not score in the first half, when his team trailed by as many as 17 points, but ended the game with 22 points on 5 of 9 three-point shooting as the Reds won their second consecutive EuroLeague title. In the previous edition, he set up Georgios Printezis with an assists for the title-winning shot. Spanoulis is two players in one, really, and both are clutch.

[trueballer7]

Spanoulis was the best winner I ever witnessed , and I'm not an Olympiacos fan at all. He was the definition of "clutch". A great leader. The way he carried his team time after time to the final four, with two times winning the Eurolague with this team (+another one with Pana), was just amazing. I remember how every year all the journalists and betting sites bet against them, and each time he carried them way above the expected results . On the paper, or budget wise, that Olympiacos team was not close to the rich clubs rosters, and yet they over-accomplished again and again.
If I need to translate his achievements to the NBA, it would be like: Imagine last year's Denver roster would win the title, and do it 2 times in 4 years, while making the finals each of the 4 years.
Spanoulis wasn't built to be just another "role player" in the NBA, so his failure is more due to that than to "skill" issue in my opinion.

Spanoulis never carried Olympiakos. Not once. In every single, every single, Final Four game the whole Olympiakos team would perform way beyond expectations. Spanoulis would either be attrocious for 3/4 of the games, only to steal all the glory with a couple of late game shots or he'd be attrocious for the full duration of the game. Its no accident that both times Olympiakos won the Euroleague Final, we came back from 19 and 17 point deficits when Spanoulis was benched. The only game where he performed as he should have in the FF, was the semifinal with Barcelona in 2012. If there was a need to trasnlate his achievements to the NBA, it would be like : Kobe Bryant in game 7 of the 2010 Finals but without the defense

Ah, the Panathinaikos fans (with an Olympiacos avy for effect) are arriving to the rescue. Can't allow a positive Spanoulis comment to exist on the internets....

As for reality, a couple years ago the EuroLeague named Spanoulis as the most clutch EuroLeague player of all time (since 1958). Panathinaikos fans..................

https://www.euroleague.net/news/i/7p9t6o7s5q9qbmtv/vladimir-stankovic-s-list-top-10-clutch-players

1. Vassilis Spanoulis (1982)

More than just decisive, Spanoulis is the second three-time EuroLeague Final Four MVP, after Kukoc, but the only person to simultaneously win that award and the title three times. A gifted playmaker, a consummate leader and a peerless scorer, whether inside or outside, Spanoulis is above all a repository of trust from both his coaches and his teammates. Few teams depend so much on a player as Olympiacos does with Spanoulis. The most extreme case could be seen at the EuroLeague championship game in London 2013 against Real Madrid. Spanoulis did not score in the first half, when his team trailed by as many as 17 points, but ended the game with 22 points on 5 of 9 three-point shooting as the Reds won their second consecutive EuroLeague title. In the previous edition, he set up Georgios Printezis with an assists for the title-winning shot. Spanoulis is two players in one, really, and both are clutch.

I'm not going to bicker with a child. Full games are available for free and I most definetily suggest to anyone who wants to form an independent opinion to check them out.

[UcanUwill]

Galis is best Greek player ever. Giannis is second. Spanoulis maybe in top 5.

[lambchop]

Allow be to explain why Mirotic12 does not like Giannis. Mirotic12 is a superfan of Spanoulis he considers him to be the best Greek player and one of the best European ones. Spanoulis had a successful euroleague career but failed in his nba stint. Giannis has been great in the nba and gets all the praise, everybody outside of Greece considers him the best Greek player of all time. This gets into Mirotic12's nerves since he is obsessed with Spanoulis and waits every opportunity available to attack Giannis. It is not restricted to Giannis, ask him about Gallis who used to be the consensus best Greek player of all time (and probably still is between Greek fans). This could be the reason he hates nba as well, since Spanoulis flopped there it is not a real league.

Spanoulis played only one year in nba and decided that he did not want to continue there.
He did not tried to play in nba. There are a lot of players who didn't had big role in their first year in nba but they tried and got a bigger role in the next years.
Spanoulis is the only greek player except Giannis in the last years who had the tools to play in nba. But he just didn't liked it there. I think he wanted to be near his family.
Watch the game Greece vs USA(with Lebron,Wade etc) when Greece won and you can see how explosive Spanoulis was.

Galis was in another level, best greek player ever. He just was unstoppable.
Many years with around(and above) 40ppg in Greece and above 30ppg in euroleage and fiba basketball(I think he had also 50 points against mj in college). He was shooting around 65% 2p.
Galis was a myth of european basketball.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikos_Galis

look at this video 32 yo Nick Galis when his athletic prime had passed

Yea I agree that Spanoulis "didn't try", the guy shot 17% from deep. That's what Ben Simmons would shoot, if he actually tried. Spanoulis simply wasn't ready.

That said, Spanoulis is probably my favourite euroleague player. In my opinion, he played in the NBA at a time when his skillset wasn't as appreciated and utilized as it is today.
Prime Spanoulis would a top backup PG on any NBA team or a starter on lebron's team.

And I agree with people calling him a winner. Some of those olympiacos teams had no business getting to the final four, but he simply made them contenders every single year.

[TheNG]

Spanoulis was the best winner I ever witnessed , and I'm not an Olympiacos fan at all. He was the definition of "clutch". A great leader. The way he carried his team time after time to the final four, with two times winning the Eurolague with this team (+another one with Pana), was just amazing. I remember how every year all the journalists and betting sites bet against them, and each time he carried them way above the expected results . On the paper, or budget wise, that Olympiacos team was not close to the rich clubs rosters, and yet they over-accomplished again and again.
If I need to translate his achievements to the NBA, it would be like: Imagine last year's Denver roster would win the title, and do it 2 times in 4 years, while making the finals each of the 4 years.
Spanoulis wasn't built to be just another "role player" in the NBA, so his failure is more due to that than to "skill" issue in my opinion.

Spanoulis never carried Olympiakos. Not once. In every single, every single, Final Four game the whole Olympiakos team would perform way beyond expectations. Spanoulis would either be attrocious for 3/4 of the games, only to steal all the glory with a couple of late game shots or he'd be attrocious for the full duration of the game. Its no accident that both times Olympiakos won the Euroleague Final, we came back from 19 and 17 point deficits when Spanoulis was benched. The only game where he performed as he should have in the FF, was the semifinal with Barcelona in 2012. If there was a need to trasnlate his achievements to the NBA, it would be like : Kobe Bryant in game 7 of the 2010 Finals but without the defense

Spanoulis was the best player on Olypmpiacos on all those seasons. No one thinks otherwise.
I just went over all the data gain, his performance in the critical games is divided into three:
1. Games with good efficiency (top 3 on the team).
2. Games with below average efficiency, where he made some great shots in the critical moments - You can see in the "quotes" section how his teammates and the opponent coach/players mention his name because of that.
3. Games where he unperformed but his team won.
You can't argue that Olympiacos, as a team, was the biggest overachiever in the last 10 years in the EuroLeague. You can't really argue he was their best player all these years. You can't argue he was their leader. All the opponents tries to do is to stop him (I know this because my team lost to Olympiacos these years several times). So yeah, you can stop Spanoulis in some games (hence number 3), allowing other players like Papanikolaou or Printezis be free because of that. But that's part of his greatness. He had the "Curry" effect, where in order to stop him you need to put two guys on him, so his teammates were free as a result.

[FlatearthZorro]

I'd say a combination of shorter game length(40min in FIBA vs 48min in NBA) and no defensive 3-sec rule would do it.

A ton of zone as well and the game is a tad more physical and that's it for real.

[Plossum]

Mirotic did you feel ridiculous when someone pointed out the per minute stats earlier in the thread, and did you stay away from the thread for a while out of simple embarassment?

No offence implied, obviously.

His FIBA numbers are worse per minute than his NBA numbers.

They are worse overall, they are worse in basic stats, they are worse per minute ---> they are worse no matter what spin is put on it.

Name one NBA player that has better stats in the FIBA games than NBA. You can’t. You’re a clown. The NBA rules are geared towards higher scoring games. It’s hardly a secret or revelation that player post lesser numbers in games where defence is a bigger factor.

[UcanUwill]

Mirotic did you feel ridiculous when someone pointed out the per minute stats earlier in the thread, and did you stay away from the thread for a while out of simple embarassment?

No offence implied, obviously.

His FIBA numbers are worse per minute than his NBA numbers.

They are worse overall, they are worse in basic stats, they are worse per minute ---> they are worse no matter what spin is put on it.

Name one NBA player that has better stats in the FIBA games than NBA. You can’t. You’re a clown. The NBA rules are geared towards higher scoring games. It’s hardly a secret or revelation that player post lesser numbers in games where defence is a bigger factor.

Lots of players have better FIBA stats to be fair, because most national teams are far worse than NBA teams, therefore their roles are bigger. Just from this tournament some obvious names pop up like Satoransky, Mejri, Bogdanovic just out of top of my head.

[juli_rc]

Allow be to explain why Mirotic12 does not like Giannis. Mirotic12 is a superfan of Spanoulis he considers him to be the best Greek player and one of the best European ones. Spanoulis had a successful euroleague career but failed in his nba stint. Giannis has been great in the nba and gets all the praise, everybody outside of Greece considers him the best Greek player of all time. This gets into Mirotic12's nerves since he is obsessed with Spanoulis and waits every opportunity available to attack Giannis. It is not restricted to Giannis, ask him about Gallis who used to be the consensus best Greek player of all time (and probably still is between Greek fans). This could be the reason he hates nba as well, since Spanoulis flopped there it is not a real league.

That's true. I even remember Mirotic12 saying that Spanoulis was a better player than my fellow countryman, Manu Ginobili... And explained his reasons with such a passion!