Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA?

[Buzzard]

I would look into Cam's history before I get too excited after one good game. There is a reason Cam was still able to go 10th overall even after having such a horrible season. Cam is known for having a game where he flashes great potential, then he goes back to his normal play where he looks like he's never played basketball before.

You can go back to his AAU days, you can go back to the opening of his senior year where he dropped like 50+ points and was put as the prospect in the close for a short period of time. You can go to the Army, FSU game or a few others at Duke. Cam having a game where he puts it all together and looks fantastic is nothing new. But coming from a guy that has fallen for the "this is the game where he turned it all around and its all clicking for him" multiple times. I think it's safe to hold up before saying he has turned the corner.

I don't see anyone saying he 100% turned a corner last night. I see a lot of:
He has no corner to turn, he is a chucker to he just turned 20 and needs time to develop. But thanks for letting us all know a one game sample size is not enough

You have to laugh with us at what you implied here.

[Duke4life831]

I would look into Cam's history before I get too excited after one good game. There is a reason Cam was still able to go 10th overall even after having such a horrible season. Cam is known for having a game where he flashes great potential, then he goes back to his normal play where he looks like he's never played basketball before.

You can go back to his AAU days, you can go back to the opening of his senior year where he dropped like 50+ points and was put as the prospect in the close for a short period of time. You can go to the Army, FSU game or a few others at Duke. Cam having a game where he puts it all together and looks fantastic is nothing new. But coming from a guy that has fallen for the "this is the game where he turned it all around and its all clicking for him" multiple times. I think it's safe to hold up before saying he has turned the corner.

I don't see anyone saying he turned a corner last night. I see a lot of:
He has no corner to turn, he is a chucker to he just turned 20 and needs time to develop. But thanks for letting us all know a one game sample size is not enough

You have to laugh with us at what you implied here.

"Hopefully this is a step towards him turning things around very soon..."

I don't think me saying, "I would look into Cam's history before I get too excited after one good game." is all that wacky of a response to that.

[Buzzard]

I would look into Cam's history before I get too excited after one good game. There is a reason Cam was still able to go 10th overall even after having such a horrible season. Cam is known for having a game where he flashes great potential, then he goes back to his normal play where he looks like he's never played basketball before.

You can go back to his AAU days, you can go back to the opening of his senior year where he dropped like 50+ points and was put as the prospect in the close for a short period of time. You can go to the Army, FSU game or a few others at Duke. Cam having a game where he puts it all together and looks fantastic is nothing new. But coming from a guy that has fallen for the "this is the game where he turned it all around and its all clicking for him" multiple times. I think it's safe to hold up before saying he has turned the corner.

I don't see anyone saying he turned a corner last night. I see a lot of:
He has no corner to turn, he is a chucker to he just turned 20 and needs time to develop. But thanks for letting us all know a one game sample size is not enough

You have to laugh with us at what you implied here.

"Hopefully this is a step towards him turning things around very soon..."

I don't think me saying, "I would look into Cam's history before I get too excited after one good game." is all that wacky of a response to that.

He still has a ways to go in my opinion. I think job one is just slowing down the game in his mind. Sometimes he goes really quick instead of gathering and being balanced. Even on his threes. He is close to 6'9" in shoes with a nice high release and long wing span. He needs to understand very few will block his shot and he has plenty of time to get his shot off.

That is my take on watching him so far this season.

[Pinkyring]

You are a small sample size kind of guy, your name implies this as well I prefer a much larger sample size myself when it comes to proof.

One season college is the only sample size he has so wtf are you talking about?

You are calling him a bust from a small sample size. Is that rocket science for you?

Who called him a bust? To be considered a bust you have to have promise, he doesn't to me. I simply said he's an inefficient chucker and based on his college and brief NBA career he is, and there's zero history to say otherwise

[Buzzard]

One season college is the only sample size he has so wtf are you talking about?

You are calling him a bust from a small sample size. Is that rocket science for you?

Who called him a bust? To be considered a bust you have to have promise, he doesn't to me. I simply said he's an inefficient chucker and based on his college and brief NBA career he is, and there's zero history to say otherwise

Cam Reddish:
33.3 from 3PT in college. 7.4 3PT Attempts per game.

Trae Young the soon to be All Star:
36.0 from 3PT in college. 10.3 Attempts per game.

From your mind set I would gather college players do not improve once they get to the NBA and everyone that has shot 33.3 or worse from three in college is nothing more than a chucker once they get to the NBA. I give up with you; there is nothing more I can add to this.

[CarMalone]

Patience is key! There are way too many proclamations about rookies and sophmores on this board. Just give everyone three to four years before declaring them a bust or generational talents.

Trae Young, 2018 November Splits:
16 Games, 28.2 Minutes, 14.0 PTS, 3.1 TRB, 8.1 AST, .355 FG%, .198 3PT%, .860 FT%, .443 TS%

Cam Reddish, 2019 November Splits:
12 Games, 23.4 Minutes, 7.9 PTS, 3.1 TRB, 1.5 AST, .320 FG%, .279 3PT%, .760 FT%, .428 TS%

It will be quite the story if Hawks GM Travis Schlenk has caught lightning in a bottle twice with another player a large majority said things like: Don't draft, bust, reach, average role player at best etc...

I like this thread myself, so keep them coming

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/y/youngtr01/splits/2019

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/reddica01/splits/2020

Trae Young also averaged 31.5 mpg, 19.1 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 6.6 apg, on .429/.340/.757, .552%TS in 7 games in October of his rookie season.

[Buzzard]

Patience is key! There are way too many proclamations about rookies and sophmores on this board. Just give everyone three to four years before declaring them a bust or generational talents.

Trae Young, 2018 November Splits:
16 Games, 28.2 Minutes, 14.0 PTS, 3.1 TRB, 8.1 AST, .355 FG%, .198 3PT%, .860 FT%, .443 TS%

Cam Reddish, 2019 November Splits:
12 Games, 23.4 Minutes, 7.9 PTS, 3.1 TRB, 1.5 AST, .320 FG%, .279 3PT%, .760 FT%, .428 TS%

It will be quite the story if Hawks GM Travis Schlenk has caught lightning in a bottle twice with another player a large majority said things like: Don't draft, bust, reach, average role player at best etc...

I like this thread myself, so keep them coming

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/y/youngtr01/splits/2019

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/reddica01/splits/2020

Trae Young also averaged 31.5 mpg, 19.1 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 6.6 apg, on .429/.340/.757, .552%TS in 7 games in October of his rookie season.

Oh he did way better than that. He was setting rookie records that were only bettered by Oscar Robertson by February.

[Pinkyring]

You are calling him a bust from a small sample size. Is that rocket science for you?

Who called him a bust? To be considered a bust you have to have promise, he doesn't to me. I simply said he's an inefficient chucker and based on his college and brief NBA career he is, and there's zero history to say otherwise

Cam Reddish:
33.3 from 3PT in college. 7.4 3PT Attempts per game.

Trae Young the soon to be All Star:
36.0 from 3PT in college. 10.3 Attempts per game.

From your mind set I would gather college players do not improve once they get to the NBA and everyone that has shot 33.3 or worse from three in college is nothing more than a chucker once they get to the NBA. I give up with you; there is nothing more I can add to this.

So one guy shooting average on almost twice the attempts as the main guy or one guy shooting below average being an offensive afterthought..... if you want to look through homer lenses and not be objective that's your business but everything about reddish thus far says scrub

[daswunderboy]

Even if he is (i have no opinion on that right now), I think it's unfair to a rookie...they are rookies. Maybe worst player getting consistent minutes, but I'd still give him the minutes, it's the Hawks, might as well play the rookie to see if you can help him be the player you hoped.

[Buzzard]

Who called him a bust? To be considered a bust you have to have promise, he doesn't to me. I simply said he's an inefficient chucker and based on his college and brief NBA career he is, and there's zero history to say otherwise

Cam Reddish:
33.3 from 3PT in college. 7.4 3PT Attempts per game.

Trae Young the soon to be All Star:
36.0 from 3PT in college. 10.3 Attempts per game.

From your mind set I would gather college players do not improve once they get to the NBA and everyone that has shot 33.3 or worse from three in college is nothing more than a chucker once they get to the NBA. I give up with you; there is nothing more I can add to this.

So one guy shooting average on almost twice the attempts as the main guy or one guy shooting below average being an offensive afterthought..... if you want to look through homer lenses and not be objective that's your business but everything about reddish thus far says scrub

I don't make broad judgements one way or the other on a rookies 1st season much less a 20 game sample size. This has nothing to do with homer glasses. You will not find one post of mine declaring a rookie a bust concerning anyone's 2018 or 2019 draft pick.

I know a lot of people everywhere do make those kinds of judgements; but in my eyes you and they are no different than ESPN. Well there is one big difference, you are not getting paid for the negative or positive "expert" hype and they are.

[Ball4life32]

Who called him a bust? To be considered a bust you have to have promise, he doesn't to me. I simply said he's an inefficient chucker and based on his college and brief NBA career he is, and there's zero history to say otherwise

Cam Reddish:
33.3 from 3PT in college. 7.4 3PT Attempts per game.

Trae Young the soon to be All Star:
36.0 from 3PT in college. 10.3 Attempts per game.

From your mind set I would gather college players do not improve once they get to the NBA and everyone that has shot 33.3 or worse from three in college is nothing more than a chucker once they get to the NBA. I give up with you; there is nothing more I can add to this.

So one guy shooting average on almost twice the attempts as the main guy or one guy shooting below average being an offensive afterthought..... if you want to look through homer lenses and not be objective that's your business but everything about reddish thus far says scrub

That Duke team shot 30.8% from 3...they had no shooters. Outside of Reddish only Barrett made over 30 3 pointers. (Reddish had 89 -4th in the ACC) Sure Reddish was inconsistent but as one of the only capable shooters he certainly wasn’t an offensive afterthought.

[Buzzard]

Cam Reddish:
33.3 from 3PT in college. 7.4 3PT Attempts per game.

Trae Young the soon to be All Star:
36.0 from 3PT in college. 10.3 Attempts per game.

From your mind set I would gather college players do not improve once they get to the NBA and everyone that has shot 33.3 or worse from three in college is nothing more than a chucker once they get to the NBA. I give up with you; there is nothing more I can add to this.

So one guy shooting average on almost twice the attempts as the main guy or one guy shooting below average being an offensive afterthought..... if you want to look through homer lenses and not be objective that's your business but everything about reddish thus far says scrub

That Duke team shot 30.8% from 3...they had no shooters. Outside of Reddish only Barrett made over 30 3 pointers. (Reddish had 89 -4th in the ACC) Sure Reddish was inconsistent but as one of the only capable shooters he certainly wasn’t an offensive afterthought.

Exactly, over 7 threes a game is a lot of threes from a 3rd option. Reddish was doing exactly what Coach K wanted him to do, he just wished he would have shot better than 33.3.

[Ballerhogger]

You are a small sample size kind of guy, your name implies this as well I prefer a much larger sample size myself when it comes to proof.

One season college is the only sample size he has so wtf are you talking about?

You are calling him a bust from a small sample size. Is that rocket science for you?

Ill give him a year since he hasnt been hurt yet.

[Buzzard]

One season college is the only sample size he has so wtf are you talking about?

You are calling him a bust from a small sample size. Is that rocket science for you?

Ill give him a year since he hasnt been hurt yet.

I think we will see some improvement by the end of the year. A better grasp of the NBA game, when to drive, when to shoot, and when to pass the ball around. The game really needs to slow down for him. Trae is looking for him still and that is a good thing. Reddish is on a solid team to be around. Vince Carter has a lot to do with that; the young players will miss him next season. I can only imagine the send off they will give Vince.

[Duke4life831]

You are calling him a bust from a small sample size. Is that rocket science for you?

Who called him a bust? To be considered a bust you have to have promise, he doesn't to me. I simply said he's an inefficient chucker and based on his college and brief NBA career he is, and there's zero history to say otherwise

Cam Reddish:
33.3 from 3PT in college. 7.4 3PT Attempts per game.

Trae Young the soon to be All Star:
36.0 from 3PT in college. 10.3 Attempts per game.

From your mind set I would gather college players do not improve once they get to the NBA and everyone that has shot 33.3 or worse from three in college is nothing more than a chucker once they get to the NBA. I give up with you; there is nothing more I can add to this.

This isn't anywhere close to being an apples to apples comparison. Trae had a 58 TS% in college compared to a 49 TS% (you can call it 50 since it was 49.9%) for Cam. When it comes to their 3pt shooting, you also cant call that an apples to apples comparison. Trae was only assisted on 27% of his 3pt shots, compared to 80% for Cam. Trae was also the only guy defenses worried about with Oklahoma, Trae didnt play with one other guy that has made it to the NBA. While Cam played with 2 1st team all Americans and soon to be #1 and #3 picks. Zion's gravity in college was ridiculous. So level of difficulty between the two of them was night and day. This is coming from someone who was a far bigger Cam fan than a Trae fan in college.

Cam sucked in EYBL, he sucked at Duke even though he was given a perfect scenario to excel. He has sucked so far in the NBA. I totally get if you want to buy in on the potential, that is perfectly understandable. But lets not act like the people who are low on Cam have no reason to be low on him. He has yet to show on a legit stage that he can be a good basketball player.

[Buzzard]

Who called him a bust? To be considered a bust you have to have promise, he doesn't to me. I simply said he's an inefficient chucker and based on his college and brief NBA career he is, and there's zero history to say otherwise

Cam Reddish:
33.3 from 3PT in college. 7.4 3PT Attempts per game.

Trae Young the soon to be All Star:
36.0 from 3PT in college. 10.3 Attempts per game.

From your mind set I would gather college players do not improve once they get to the NBA and everyone that has shot 33.3 or worse from three in college is nothing more than a chucker once they get to the NBA. I give up with you; there is nothing more I can add to this.

This isn't anywhere close to being an apples to apples comparison. Trae had a 58 TS% in college compared to a 49 TS% (you can call it 50 since it was 49.9%) for Cam. When it comes to their 3pt shooting, you also cant call that an apples to apples comparison. Trae was only assisted on 27% of his 3pt shots, compared to 80% for Cam. Trae was also the only guy defenses worried about with Oklahoma, Trae didnt play with one other guy that has made it to the NBA. While Cam played with 2 1st team all Americans and soon to be #1 and #3 picks. Zion's gravity in college was ridiculous. So level of difficulty between the two of them was night and day. This is coming from someone who was a far bigger Cam fan than a Trae fan in college.

Cam sucked in EYBL, he sucked at Duke even though he was given a perfect scenario to excel. He has sucked so far in the NBA. I totally get if you want to buy in on the potential, that is perfectly understandable. But lets not act like the people who are low on Cam have no reason to be low on him. He has yet to show on a legit stage that he can be a good basketball player.

Three point shooting and free throw shooting are usually good indicators that a player can shoot. Hate all you want because Cam cost your Dukies a National Championship in your eyes but:

3PT% 33.3%
FT% 77.2%

I am buying into his potential but I am not declaring anything one way or the other. Its just a wild guess; but Reddish and Trae on that Oklahoma Team just might have gotten out of the 1st round of the NCAA.

[Vampirate]

He isn't, some guy named Jordan Poole on the Warriors is.

[Pinkyring]

Cam Reddish:
33.3 from 3PT in college. 7.4 3PT Attempts per game.

Trae Young the soon to be All Star:
36.0 from 3PT in college. 10.3 Attempts per game.

From your mind set I would gather college players do not improve once they get to the NBA and everyone that has shot 33.3 or worse from three in college is nothing more than a chucker once they get to the NBA. I give up with you; there is nothing more I can add to this.

This isn't anywhere close to being an apples to apples comparison. Trae had a 58 TS% in college compared to a 49 TS% (you can call it 50 since it was 49.9%) for Cam. When it comes to their 3pt shooting, you also cant call that an apples to apples comparison. Trae was only assisted on 27% of his 3pt shots, compared to 80% for Cam. Trae was also the only guy defenses worried about with Oklahoma, Trae didnt play with one other guy that has made it to the NBA. While Cam played with 2 1st team all Americans and soon to be #1 and #3 picks. Zion's gravity in college was ridiculous. So level of difficulty between the two of them was night and day. This is coming from someone who was a far bigger Cam fan than a Trae fan in college.

Cam sucked in EYBL, he sucked at Duke even though he was given a perfect scenario to excel. He has sucked so far in the NBA. I totally get if you want to buy in on the potential, that is perfectly understandable. But lets not act like the people who are low on Cam have no reason to be low on him. He has yet to show on a legit stage that he can be a good basketball player.

Three point shooting and free throw shooting are usually good indicators that a player can shoot. Hate all you want because Cam cost your Dukies a National Championship in your eyes but:

3PT% 33.3%
FT% 77.2%

I am buying into his potential but I am not declaring anything one way or the other. Its just a wild guess; but Reddish and Trae on that Oklahoma Team just might have gotten out of the 1st round of the NCAA.

Bad 3 point shooting on high volume, decent free throw shooting on low volume, yet those are indicators he'll be able to shoot? Gotcha

[Duke4life831]

Cam Reddish:
33.3 from 3PT in college. 7.4 3PT Attempts per game.

Trae Young the soon to be All Star:
36.0 from 3PT in college. 10.3 Attempts per game.

From your mind set I would gather college players do not improve once they get to the NBA and everyone that has shot 33.3 or worse from three in college is nothing more than a chucker once they get to the NBA. I give up with you; there is nothing more I can add to this.

This isn't anywhere close to being an apples to apples comparison. Trae had a 58 TS% in college compared to a 49 TS% (you can call it 50 since it was 49.9%) for Cam. When it comes to their 3pt shooting, you also cant call that an apples to apples comparison. Trae was only assisted on 27% of his 3pt shots, compared to 80% for Cam. Trae was also the only guy defenses worried about with Oklahoma, Trae didnt play with one other guy that has made it to the NBA. While Cam played with 2 1st team all Americans and soon to be #1 and #3 picks. Zion's gravity in college was ridiculous. So level of difficulty between the two of them was night and day. This is coming from someone who was a far bigger Cam fan than a Trae fan in college.

Cam sucked in EYBL, he sucked at Duke even though he was given a perfect scenario to excel. He has sucked so far in the NBA. I totally get if you want to buy in on the potential, that is perfectly understandable. But lets not act like the people who are low on Cam have no reason to be low on him. He has yet to show on a legit stage that he can be a good basketball player.

Three point shooting and free throw shooting are usually good indicators that a player can shoot. Hate all you want because Cam cost your Dukies a National Championship in your eyes but:

3PT% 33.3%
FT% 77.2%

I am buying into his potential but I am not declaring anything one way or the other. Its just a wild guess; but Reddish and Trae on that Oklahoma Team just might have gotten out of the 1st round of the NCAA.

What are you talking about. You're just creating narratives to not actually respond to the points I brought up. I dont blame Cam for Duke not winning it all, by the time March Madness came around I had 0 expectations from Cam. I actually blame K for his horrible coaching and rotations, and for the 2nd time in the season, riding with RJ late in a close game over Zion. Both times it cost them the game (MSU and Gonzaga). Zion gets makes a layup with 2 minutes to go to put them up by 3, then for the last 2 minutes it was all RJ, missing jumpers and FTs which cost Duke the game.

Here is a post I made yesterday, still venting about how K blew last year's team. Not once did I even bring up Cam
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1850865&start=300#p80099769

I get that you think Im this Cam hater and all. But you can pretty much ask anyone, Im a massive Duke homer. I root extremely hard for all the Dukies. But there are times where I can take the Duke tinted glasses off and see the obvious. Cam had a really bad year, Cam has yet to show he can perform consistently at a high level against actual competition.

[Buzzard]

This isn't anywhere close to being an apples to apples comparison. Trae had a 58 TS% in college compared to a 49 TS% (you can call it 50 since it was 49.9%) for Cam. When it comes to their 3pt shooting, you also cant call that an apples to apples comparison. Trae was only assisted on 27% of his 3pt shots, compared to 80% for Cam. Trae was also the only guy defenses worried about with Oklahoma, Trae didnt play with one other guy that has made it to the NBA. While Cam played with 2 1st team all Americans and soon to be #1 and #3 picks. Zion's gravity in college was ridiculous. So level of difficulty between the two of them was night and day. This is coming from someone who was a far bigger Cam fan than a Trae fan in college.

Cam sucked in EYBL, he sucked at Duke even though he was given a perfect scenario to excel. He has sucked so far in the NBA. I totally get if you want to buy in on the potential, that is perfectly understandable. But lets not act like the people who are low on Cam have no reason to be low on him. He has yet to show on a legit stage that he can be a good basketball player.

Three point shooting and free throw shooting are usually good indicators that a player can shoot. Hate all you want because Cam cost your Dukies a National Championship in your eyes but:

3PT% 33.3%
FT% 77.2%

I am buying into his potential but I am not declaring anything one way or the other. Its just a wild guess; but Reddish and Trae on that Oklahoma Team just might have gotten out of the 1st round of the NCAA.

Bad 3 point shooting on high volume, decent free throw shooting on low volume, yet those are indicators he'll be able to shoot? Gotcha

A free throw is a free throw. .818 FT% in his senior year in high school, 45 of 55. From a closer high school 3 point line, 28 of 48 .583. This is only for the games they kept stats on at prep circuit. One of the reasons Travis Schlenk is a good evaluator of talent is he and his staff also look at high school film. You really have to with all these one and dones, or you are not doing your due diligence.

Schlenk is probably the best talent evaluator the Hawks have ever had as a GM/VP. So I will go with him; especially since he learned under Jerry West for a couple of years as well. And its not just about stats. Its about balance, release point, and stroke. There is no doubt Reddish did not blow up in college. But for a 10th pick, I am not ready to declare the sky is falling.

https://www.prepcircuit.com/roster_players/21934826