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Re: Simmons Sixers experiment pretty much over- where should he land? 

Post#161 » by Black Mage » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:07 am

DaSixers wrote:as a sixers fan.. jrue holiday and NAW for simmons cant happen soon enough

jrue plays all the D simmons does, and is 10x the player in the halfcourt that simmons is. NAW gives us a good young player moving forward

I'd do this deal in a **** second.. too bad it cant be done until next year

I'm sick of simmons and his passive, refuse to improve play style


I'm no Simmons fan, but that's a stupid trade. Now please return to your padded room.
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Re: Simmons Sixers experiment pretty much over- where should he land? 

Post#162 » by Black Mage » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:13 am

papajoe wrote:Simmons for D'Lo,1st Round Pick and Paschall

D'Lo
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Tobias
Horford
Embiid


An intriguing package. Depends on 1st rnd protections.
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Re: Simmons Sixers experiment pretty much over- where should he land? 

Post#163 » by DaPessimist » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:21 am

Simmons + Scott for VanVleet + Anunoby and the 76ers make the NBA Finals.
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Re: Simmons Sixers experiment pretty much over- where should he land? 

Post#164 » by dhsilv2 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:22 am

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They are 12-2 in their last 14 in large part because Harris has found his shot and is scoring more efficiently. The reason why people are talking about Simmons and Embiid not being able to play together is because you rarely see them play off one another, or have big statistical nights in the same game. In that 14 game stretch Simmons is now down to 13.4ppg, that is unacceptable for a former number 1 pick and soon to be max player. The defense is nice, but they didn't draft him to be Draymond Green, and realistically if they're playing a series and he has games like last night the Sixers will be in trouble. If the goal is to win a title, he has to be more assertive and aggressive on offense, the coach challenged him and since then he's actually gotten more passive.


If he turns into a Draymond Green...who's athletic and will have a longer career. Hell that's well worth a max contract and WELL worth a number 1 pick, even if of course you don't dream of a Draymond Green with a first pick...but if you get "stuck" with a long career draymond green...you'd gladly take that.



A GM would lose his job if he drafted Draymond number 1, he's a great player but nobody in their right mind wants that with the first pick. Right now the only reason why the media doesn't make a bigger fuss about Simmons is because he still has "potential" attached to him because of his age and the hope that he becomes more of an offensive threat.

If Simmons lays another egg in the playoffs nobody is going to point to his defense and applaud it, they will focus on why the number 1 pick isn't getting you more scoring.


If that is how teams and the media look at first picks, it might explain why there are so many busts and why the talking heads are laughed at today vs respected. Because a draymond green peak for multiple years would be better than most first overall picks.
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Re: Simmons Sixers experiment pretty much over- where should he land? 

Post#165 » by Black Mage » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:26 am

ConSarnit wrote:Hey Sixers fans, stop bringing up “losing to the champs on a last second shot”. Jimmy Butler, the guy you gave the ball to every 4th quarter of that series is gone. When the games get tight in the playoffs who on you’re team do you trust in the last 5 minutes? I’ve seen games this year where you’ve had Josh Richardson trying to close things out. If you think you can win a title in that way then good luck, I guess.

Sixers fans need to admit they have a real issue that is likely to rear it’s head significantly come playoff time.


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Re: Simmons Sixers experiment pretty much over- where should he land? 

Post#166 » by Black Mage » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:27 am

nate33 wrote:The easiest trade is Simmons for Beal.


Beal or Dame. Portland could use an elite defensive stopper with size.
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Re: Simmons Sixers experiment pretty much over- where should he land? 

Post#167 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:48 am

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If he turns into a Draymond Green...who's athletic and will have a longer career. Hell that's well worth a max contract and WELL worth a number 1 pick, even if of course you don't dream of a Draymond Green with a first pick...but if you get "stuck" with a long career draymond green...you'd gladly take that.



A GM would lose his job if he drafted Draymond number 1, he's a great player but nobody in their right mind wants that with the first pick. Right now the only reason why the media doesn't make a bigger fuss about Simmons is because he still has "potential" attached to him because of his age and the hope that he becomes more of an offensive threat.

If Simmons lays another egg in the playoffs nobody is going to point to his defense and applaud it, they will focus on why the number 1 pick isn't getting you more scoring.


If that is how teams and the media look at first picks, it might explain why there are so many busts and why the talking heads are laughed at today vs respected. Because a draymond green peak for multiple years would be better than most first overall picks.



Number 1 picks are expected to be able to carry the scoring load and have players put around them. Draymond at his peak was not a franchise player which is what you're hoping to get in the draft, he was a great roleplayer that you put around those number 1 type of guys. A team built solely around Draymond would have been terrible.
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Re: Simmons Sixers experiment pretty much over- where should he land? 

Post#168 » by dakomish23 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:42 am

GSW so he could be the next Draymond

DAL b/c they have the shooting
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Re: Simmons Sixers experiment pretty much over- where should he land? 

Post#169 » by Black Jack » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:32 am

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papajoe wrote:Simmons for D'Lo,1st Round Pick and Paschall

D'Lo
Richardson
Tobias
Horford
Embiid


An intriguing package. Depends on 1st rnd protections.


As a dubs fan I'm ok with this but it would hurt if the pick turned out to be #1. Maybe top 2 protected?

For the Sixers that Van Fleet / OG package also sounds good.

That said I still think the Sixers should hire a more respected / authoritative coach and see if Simmons can be coaxed into shooting in games. If he just takes the medicine and developers a jumper him and Joel would absolutely destroy the league. Young Phil Jackson could fix this.
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Re: Simmons Sixers experiment pretty much over- where should he land? 

Post#170 » by Johnny Firpo » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:07 am

Simmons is the kind of player who is worth more to Philly than he does in a potential trade scenario. Much more, actually.
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Re: Simmons Sixers experiment pretty much over- where should he land? 

Post#171 » by giberish » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:15 am

Black Jack wrote:
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papajoe wrote:Simmons for D'Lo,1st Round Pick and Paschall

D'Lo
Richardson
Tobias
Horford
Embiid


An intriguing package. Depends on 1st rnd protections.


As a dubs fan I'm ok with this but it would hurt if the pick turned out to be #1. Maybe top 2 protected?


Protecting the pick isn't an issue. Simmons effectively can't be traded until the offseason. In the offseason the pick's position will be set and a trade based on that would happen (or not happen). Or get modified based on where the pick is and how Simmons looked in the playoffs.
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Re: Simmons Sixers experiment pretty much over- where should he land? 

Post#172 » by Fencer reregistered » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:32 am

tcheco wrote:They were 1 shot away from beating the champions, with a 22 year old Simmons and a 25 year old embiid with a team built during the regular season last year, BUT THEY CAN'T WORK TOGETHER.


2 shots. They were one shot away from overtime.
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Re: Simmons Sixers experiment pretty much over- where should he land? 

Post#173 » by RHODEY » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:38 am

Norm2953 wrote:Whoever takes Simmons would have to fit that $170/5 extension with 15% trade kicker. As much as I would
love to trade CJ for him, there is no way Portland could take on Simmons and Dame at the same time.


How about Portland trade Lilliard to Philly for Simmons. Portland aint winning anything , might as well go young. Liiliard is everything the Sixers need .
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Re: Simmons Sixers experiment pretty much over- where should he land? 

Post#174 » by Clay Davis » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:35 am

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Clay Davis wrote:At this point Simmons is basically Draymond Green. Any team could use Draymond Green.



Simmons is like a hybrid of Draymond in the half court and Giannis in the open floor. Getting him at PF is going to open things up for him so much if he's flanked by 4 shooters.

Giannis might be the only guy out East who can defend Simmons in the post and on a dribble drive from the perimeter.

Teams don't play one-on-one defense like that though. They can just pack the paint and take away whatever scoring threat he is and challenge Philly to win with catch & shoot opportunities.
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Re: Simmons Sixers experiment pretty much over- where should he land? 

Post#175 » by Filthadelphia » Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:17 am

The saddest part about this thread is you have actual Sixer fans in here drinking the Kool-Aid every other team is selling.

Every FO in the league would be ecstatic if the Sixers willingly broke up Embiid/Simmons.

a 25 and 23 year old havent reached the NBA Finals yet in their careers? What a disppointment!!
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Re: Simmons Sixers experiment pretty much over- where should he land? 

Post#176 » by fbalmeida » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:20 am

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fbalmeida wrote:I've got a question about Simmons that I once tossed on the Raptors board and went unanswered. It may sound rhetorical but it's actually a perfectly honest question about his past development.

Who was it exactly that first looked at Simmons' size, athleticism, and skill-set, and suggested he should be a point guard?

His court vision is off the charts and his ability to push it up the court made it an easy decision. Keep in mind it was Magic Johnson that said Ben reminded him of himself and he even offered to work out with Ben.


Sure, but there are tradeoffs to playing a PG with the shooting range of a Hollis-Jefferson.

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Re: Simmons Sixers experiment pretty much over- where should he land? 

Post#177 » by CoreyGallagher » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:20 am

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Sixers fans don’t deserve the team that they have. Earlier in the season regretted signing Tobias, before the Celtics game contemplated trading Embiid, after the Celtics game time to trade Simmons... The sky isn't falling every time is rains. Relax.

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Re: Simmons Sixers experiment pretty much over- where should he land? 

Post#178 » by michaelm » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:22 am

Filthadelphia wrote:The saddest part about this thread is you have actual Sixer fans in here drinking the Kool-Aid every other team is selling.

Every FO in the league would be ecstatic if the Sixers willingly broke up Embiid/Simmons.

a 25 and 23 year old havent reached the NBA Finals yet in their careers? What a disppointment!!

Sixers fans seem to be a rather hard crowd.

No doubt Simmons could be better if he was even an NBA average shooter, with better being pretty much a top 3 player in the NBA.

As a GSW fan I would happily swap him for Delo, but I would be looking at changing the coach to someone who can get more out of him as someone has suggested earlier in the thread before giving up on Simmons himself. I don’t understand how his brother can be his shooting coach this far down the line as is reputed to be the case.
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Re: Simmons Sixers experiment pretty much over- where should he land? 

Post#179 » by fbalmeida » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:30 am

DaPessimist wrote:Simmons + Scott for VanVleet + Anunoby and the 76ers make the NBA Finals.

I would fire Masai and Bobby Webster for that.

Anunoby is the Raptors most valuable long term asset.


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Re: Simmons Sixers experiment pretty much over- where should he land? 

Post#180 » by LikeABosh » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:23 pm

fbalmeida wrote:
DaPessimist wrote:Simmons + Scott for VanVleet + Anunoby and the 76ers make the NBA Finals.

I would fire Masai and Bobby Webster for that.

Anunoby is the Raptors most valuable long term asset.


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