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Post#161 » by madmaxmedia » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:06 pm

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MotownMadness wrote:2500 per couple and a additional 500 per kids sounded pretty good to me. That's 4 grand for my house. Are they saying we can do more?


There's a scale depending on income level. Generally speaking the more you make the less you will receive, if your income is over $200,000 then you might not receive any aid. That all sounds fine to me, but there's some provision about people below the minimum tax threshold also receiving less, which seems really odd to me. I haven't done a lot of reading on it yet though and everything is still in flux.

$ 200,000 damn, I'm more in the 30-40 thousand bracket lol


The 'good news' more or less is that you will probably receive the largest possible payment when they do go out, I hope that can help stretch things out for you for awhile.
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Post#162 » by BballIsLife11 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:06 pm

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That would not be good. Hopefully all of our medical capabilities hold up and the death rate is less than 1%. If that happens this is a major success, all things considered. Only time will tell though.

The thing i cant get past though is these test and death ratios are based on those who were just sick enough to get looked at. How many out there that went through it already possibly without knowing would decrease the death rate.

I mean theres gotta be way more infected just walking around that if could be added to the poll would drastically drop that death percentage

H1N1 killed around 4000 people in America, where's these fake numbers even coming from? Like we were all alive for that epidemic, how can anyone fall for such a blatant lie?


Apologies my 22,500 was wrong, I just double checked, but so was your 4000 number. That 4K was for the first month of it. So I hope you apply the logic of your statement above to yourself also.

From the CDC.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, there were 60.8 million cases, 274,000 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths (0.02% case fatality rate) in the United States due to the virus.[117]
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Post#163 » by LKN » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:07 pm

Bandit King wrote:I think death rate is more then the 1 percent people were laughing about before. More and more people are dying and this is the beginning.


NYC is already running low on ICU beds...once they run out it's going to be horrific.
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Post#165 » by madmaxmedia » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:09 pm

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Hakeemthegoat wrote:After the worst is over, countries around the world should join and put sanctions against the fascist Chinese ethnostate for hiding this.

This will only exacerbate the problem. What we need to do is attempt to ban China from running these animal markets not punishing their poor. Like didn't we just go through sanctions with China? Why would anyone think this would work?


They've already banned wild animal markets, but the Chinese government is going to have to be actively vigilant in preventing black market activity.
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Post#166 » by Doug_12 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:09 pm

Not sure if that was already posted or not, but that's a good and thorough analysis:
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56
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Post#167 » by MotownMadness » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:10 pm

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Bandit King wrote:I think death rate is more then the 1 percent people were laughing about before. More and more people are dying and this is the beginning.


NYC is already running low on ICU beds...once they run out it's going to be horrific.

What's the word on that Hospital ship? That thing is a huge floating hospital that should be a big help.
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Post#168 » by LKN » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:12 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
LKN wrote:
Bandit King wrote:I think death rate is more then the 1 percent people were laughing about before. More and more people are dying and this is the beginning.


NYC is already running low on ICU beds...once they run out it's going to be horrific.

What's the word on that Hospital ship? That thing is a huge floating hospital that should be a big help.


Needs weeks of maintenance work (they are rushing that now..so hopefully a low number). Unfortunately this was not put in motion 4-6 weeks ago
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Post#169 » by MotownMadness » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:13 pm

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NYC is already running low on ICU beds...once they run out it's going to be horrific.

What's the word on that Hospital ship? That thing is a huge floating hospital that should be a big help.


Needs weeks of maintenance work (they are rushing that now..so hopefully a low number). Unfortunately this was not put in motion 4-6 weeks ago

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Post#171 » by DingleJerry » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:15 pm

Haven't ran through all the recent pages. But just wanted to say that I watched a bunch of the press conference earlier and I actually thought Donny and his people handled themselves well and said all the right things. As a critic it was refreshing to see their eyes are finally opened.
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Post#172 » by madmaxmedia » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:18 pm

BballIsLife11 wrote:
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MotownMadness wrote: The thing i cant get past though is these test and death ratios are based on those who were just sick enough to get looked at. How many out there that went through it already possibly without knowing would decrease the death rate.

I mean theres gotta be way more infected just walking around that if could be added to the poll would drastically drop that death percentage

H1N1 killed around 4000 people in America, where's these fake numbers even coming from? Like we were all alive for that epidemic, how can anyone fall for such a blatant lie?


Apologies my 22,500 was wrong, I just double checked, but so was your 4000 number. That 4K was for the first month of it. So I hope you apply the logic of your statement above to yourself also.

From the CDC.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, there were 60.8 million cases, 274,000 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths (0.02% case fatality rate) in the United States due to the virus.[117]


You are right that right now there are a lot of people walking around who are carriers but exhibit no symptoms. They may have been recently infected (incubation period is long here which is a big factor in spread rate), some might only get minor symptoms, and some percentage will require hospitalization. How many of those people are out there? We have NO idea.

But what you aren't getting is that if COVID-19 hospitalizations exceed our capacity to care for all of them (regionally or as a whole), throw all that H1N1 data out the window. We already have a direct example of that scenario to look at- ITALY. I don't know the COVID-19 hospitalization rate there, but their medical system is totally overwhelmed and mortality rate is through the roof.

Did you ever read a story like this about H1N1? It's not theory and math, it's the NYC hospital system starting to feel the strain.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-cases-strain-new-york-city-hospitals-were-getting-pounded-11584719908

New York City hospitals are already straining under the onslaught of novel coronavirus cases, even as state officials say the real peak of the outbreak is nearly a month and a half away.

Doctors at the largest public hospital in New York say equipment shortages have resulted in them wearing the same masks for as long as a week. Emergency-room physicians at another hospital are having to reuse gowns. Some large hospitals already have exceeded the capacity of their intensive-care units.
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Post#173 » by Badonkadonk » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:23 pm

DingleJerry wrote:Haven't ran through all the recent pages. But just wanted to say that I watched a bunch of the press conference earlier and I actually thought Donny and his people handled themselves well and said all the right things. As a critic it was refreshing to see their eyes are finally opened.

Curious which presser you watched, because he's getting (justifiably) roasted for his childishness from earlier today?

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Post#174 » by Crizzle » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:25 pm

DingleJerry wrote:Haven't ran through all the recent pages. But just wanted to say that I watched a bunch of the press conference earlier and I actually thought Donny and his people handled themselves well and said all the right things. As a critic it was refreshing to see their eyes are finally opened.


They realized how **** we are. Also, trump had a huge meltdown. Fauci looked like he wanted to gtfo of there
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Post#175 » by BballIsLife11 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:26 pm

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E-Balla wrote:H1N1 killed around 4000 people in America, where's these fake numbers even coming from? Like we were all alive for that epidemic, how can anyone fall for such a blatant lie?


Apologies my 22,500 was wrong, I just double checked, but so was your 4000 number. That 4K was for the first month of it. So I hope you apply the logic of your statement above to yourself also.

From the CDC.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, there were 60.8 million cases, 274,000 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths (0.02% case fatality rate) in the United States due to the virus.[117]


You are right that right now there are a lot of people walking around who are carriers but exhibit no symptoms. They may have been recently infected (incubation period is long here which is a big factor in spread rate), some might only get minor symptoms, and some percentage will require hospitalization. How many of those people are out there? We have NO idea.

But what you aren't getting is that if COVID-19 hospitalizations exceed our capacity to care for all of them (regionally or as a whole), throw all that H1N1 data out the window. We already have a direct example of that scenario to look at- ITALY. I don't know the COVID-19 hospitalization rate there, but their medical system is totally overwhelmed and mortality rate is through the roof.

Did you ever read a story like this about H1N1? And we're just getting started here. It's not theory and math, it's the NYC hospital system starting to feel the strain.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-cases-strain-new-york-city-hospitals-were-getting-pounded-11584719908


Trust me I get that. That’s why I keep saying medical capacity is number 1. That falls on the federal as well as local and state governments.
I am hopeful things like the medical ship, maybe deploying the military, and other options not known to us as yet can all be implemented and help prevent this is the US.
I am a very optimistic person though, comes with the territory of being a die hard Magic fan, but we shall see.
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Post#176 » by madmaxmedia » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:29 pm

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Apologies my 22,500 was wrong, I just double checked, but so was your 4000 number. That 4K was for the first month of it. So I hope you apply the logic of your statement above to yourself also.

From the CDC.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, there were 60.8 million cases, 274,000 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths (0.02% case fatality rate) in the United States due to the virus.[117]


You are right that right now there are a lot of people walking around who are carriers but exhibit no symptoms. They may have been recently infected (incubation period is long here which is a big factor in spread rate), some might only get minor symptoms, and some percentage will require hospitalization. How many of those people are out there? We have NO idea.

But what you aren't getting is that if COVID-19 hospitalizations exceed our capacity to care for all of them (regionally or as a whole), throw all that H1N1 data out the window. We already have a direct example of that scenario to look at- ITALY. I don't know the COVID-19 hospitalization rate there, but their medical system is totally overwhelmed and mortality rate is through the roof.

Did you ever read a story like this about H1N1? And we're just getting started here. It's not theory and math, it's the NYC hospital system starting to feel the strain.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-cases-strain-new-york-city-hospitals-were-getting-pounded-11584719908


Trust me I get that. That’s why I keep saying medical capacity is number 1. That falls on the federal as well as local and state governments.
I am hopeful things like the medical ship, maybe deploying the military, and other options not known to us as yet can all be implemented and help prevent this is the US.
I am a very optimistic person though, comes with the territory of being a die hard Magic fan, but we shall see.


I agree, sorry if I came across argumentative. At some moments during the day I am hopeful, at other times I truly wonder how bad things could get either health wise or economically (for the USA and beyond.)

I think arguments about the mortality rate miss the big picture (how many of us here are working in medical science or healthcare anyway), they are only one factor out of many important ones. And I think people who underestimate the significance of this because of a presumed low mortality rate, don't understand this bigger picture of what's involved, what can happen, and finally what should be done.
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Post#178 » by Doug_12 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:33 pm

More on the funny part of the stuff - although this doesn't help the elevated discussion, but hopefully Dirk and the mods won't mind:


My question is: Can someone provide a transcript on what she is saying? I mean, I tried to understand and understood a few parts here and there but as a whole, I never did.
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Post#179 » by Crizzle » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:35 pm

Doug_12 wrote:More of the funny part of the stuff - this doesn't help the elevated discussion, but hopefully Dirk and the mods won't mind:


My question is: Can someone proved a transcript what she is saying? I mean, I tried to understand and understood a few parts here and there but as a whole, I never did.


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Post#180 » by MotownMadness » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:37 pm

Doug_12 wrote:More of the funny part of the stuff - this doesn't help the elevated discussion, but hopefully Dirk and the mods won't mind:


My question is: Can someone proved a transcript what she is saying? I mean, I tried to understand and understood a few parts here and there but as a whole, I never did.

Oh my, you really have to go out of your way to make yourself talk with that type of dumb slang.

The funniest is when people actually try to type words like the way that sounds lol

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