ESPN's 'The Last Dance' -- ongoing discussion

[kulaz3000]

As an Australian I'm disappointed that it looks like they didn't interview Luc Longley - He was the starting center throughout the 3 years (when he wasn't injured), instead they have the back up center all through it.

I wonder if Longley didn't want to participate (I don't see a reason why he wouldn't - he wrote a book on it), or if the producers were to cheap to fly to Australia/fly him to the US.

There are 8 more episodes. Surely, he gets to share a few stories, maybe not.

He played a big part of those championships, but lets be real, there are bigger story points than Luc. The biggest thing I remember was his detoriating relationship with Rodman. I remember those two being really close the first two season together, and I can't remember exactly why, but they had a falling out and Rodman barely acknowledged Luc during a lot of games. I think it had to do with Rodman thinking he was soft and not tough enough, but my memory has failed me.

[trickshot]

If a player signs a big contract but doesn't fulfill it, should the player negotiate a new contract and give up money?

As a Bulls fan, there are a lot of criticisms of the Bulls front office and ownership, but to me personally, this isn't one of them. They cautioned Scottie about not taking the contract, but but as stated in the series, Scottie had back injury concerns and wanted the security. There are plenty of players even now, who give up more money for immediate security - the only difference is the sum of money involved, no one knew that during the course of the contract that the league would balloon the way it did, so to compare contracts than and now isn't fair.

Put it this way, there are a lot more contracts which are given to players who don't deserve them, then players who should be earning more during the course of their contracts. But I don't see anyone making the arguement that players should give up money because they don't deserve the contract, the blame always shifts to ownerships and management for giving the contract to begin with.

Actually agree that Scott had himself to blame and wasn't legally entitled to renegotiate a bigger deal. If he got one, it would have been as a matter of goodwill. The players union refers to saving players from themselves. Today's union is an evolution on the back of past mistakes and ignorance like the one Scottie made

Do you think the documentary makes your team look bad so far?

I don't think it makes the organization as a whole look bad, but it definitely has made Krause look bad which though in many ways deserved, I feel could have been pulled back slightly considering the man is dead and can't even tell his side of the story. Kerr said it best though,

“Jerry did a phenomenal job with the team. He made great trades, made great free agent signings,” Kerr said. “He deserves a lot of credit — but he couldn’t get out of his own way.”

which perfectly sums him up in my opinion, but again, making him seemingly the villian of the break up considering he isn't alive, albiet the truth, felt a little much.

Yeah I'm sure he must have had his own side of the story. Reinsdorf especially comes across as sketchy the way he's so quick to throw Krause under the bus. He did hire him, set the organisational vision and approve all the decisions. But in the documentary he makes himself out to be some bystander and the voice of reason which is just convenient

[TheBallsDeeper]

As an Australian I'm disappointed that it looks like they didn't interview Luc Longley - He was the starting center throughout the 3 years (when he wasn't injured), instead they have the back up center all through it.

I wonder if Longley didn't want to participate (I don't see a reason why he wouldn't - he wrote a book on it), or if the producers were to cheap to fly to Australia/fly him to the US.

There are 8 more episodes. Surely, he gets to share a few stories, maybe not.

He played a big part of those championships, but lets be real, there are bigger story points than Luc. The biggest thing I remember was his detoriating relationship with Rodman. I remember those two being really close the first two season together, and I can't remember exactly why, but they had a falling out and Rodman barely acknowledged Luc during a lot of games. I think it had to do with Rodman thinking he was soft and not tough enough, but my memory has failed me.

I know he is a minor player - but much bigger than Bill Wennington and he featured pretty heavily in the first two episodes.

I didn't know about the Rodman Longley issues. Luc never seemed soft, so I'm surprised if that was the case. I just figured Rodman had issues with everyone around that time.

[HomoSapien]

I'm disappointed that Longley's not part of this either. I have to think he wasn't available. It's really odd that they'd ask Joe Kleine and not him. Dickey Simpkins isn't part of this either.

[DavidSterned]

No one is talking about the *entire* (maybe half) Bullls team doing cocaine in a hotel in his rookie year?

Too lazy to look up the roster

Quintin Dailey and Orlando Woolridge were both known cokeheads during their careers and had lengthy rehab stints. Sadly, they both passed away quite young.

[Young Stapler]

I just finished watching the first two episodes. Pretty good so far.

[Golden Knight]

I'm disappointed that Longley's not part of this either. I have to think he wasn't available. It's really odd that they'd ask Joe Kleine and not him. Dickey Simpkins isn't part of this either.

There's still 8 episodes left.

I'm not too sure but if i remember it correctly I think there's still no interviews of Harper, Kukoc and Rodman yet in the first 2 episodes.

[Benedict_Boozer]

Best thing about this series and MJ in general is his love for the game. B-ball heads and those who played understand, the guy rushing to get back on the court after that foot injury says it all - he’s just loved the competition. And he wasn’t trying to be your friend, he was trying to take your head off.

Need more guys like that.

[kinste]

Why does MJ have so yellow eyes though?

[chitownsports4ever]

Yeah I'm sure he must have had his own side of the story. Reinsdorf especially comes across as sketchy the way he's so quick to throw Krause under the bus. He did hire him, set the organisational vision and approve all the decisions. But in the documentary he makes himself out to be some bystander and the voice of reason which is just convenient

Thats because although Krause was a problem Reinsdorf is actually to blame because he actually was willing to sign off on Krause's foolishness . He let Krause basically take all the blame because there was no way he was gonna pay MJ 30 million per season ,Pippen 15-20 million and then make Phil the highest paid coach in the league .

A sidenote on Pippen he got extended after the first title in 91 when the leagues highest annual salary went to Ewing at over 4 million but by the time Jordan came back for that full year he signed for 30 million and the second highest paid player was Horace Grant who signed as a free agent with the Magic at 14 million . If Grant was worth 14 million on the open market then what was Pippen worth ?


I think a bigger issue is that imagine Pippen being a 3 time champion and then imagine Jordan retiring only making 3.8 million but then Bj Armstrong ,Kukoc,and Ron Harper all making as much or more than you . The fact that Reinsdorf would allow Krause to sign Kukoc as the 31st highest paid player in the league while allowing Pippen to be 91st pretty much says it all.

[HomoSapien]

I'm disappointed that Longley's not part of this either. I have to think he wasn't available. It's really odd that they'd ask Joe Kleine and not him. Dickey Simpkins isn't part of this either.

There's still 8 episodes left.

I'm not too sure but if i remember it correctly I think there's still no interviews of Harper, Kukoc and Rodman yet in the first 2 episodes.

They released a full interview list and Longley and Simpkins weren’t on it.

[Mulhollanddrive]

LeBron's Documentary would be called the 2nd Last Dance and have 6 Episodes.

[Mamba Mentality]

Why does MJ have so yellow eyes though?

six cigars a day

[HomoSapien]

Why does MJ have so yellow eyes though?

six cigars a day

Yeah bad habits. Never sleeps and drinks and smokes a lot. Could actually be jaundice.

[ropjhk]

As an Australian I'm disappointed that it looks like they didn't interview Luc Longley - He was the starting center throughout the 3 years (when he wasn't injured), instead they have the back up center all through it.

I wonder if Longley didn't want to participate (I don't see a reason why he wouldn't - he wrote a book on it), or if the producers were to cheap to fly to Australia/fly him to the US.

There are 8 more episodes. Surely, he gets to share a few stories, maybe not.

He played a big part of those championships, but lets be real, there are bigger story points than Luc. The biggest thing I remember was his detoriating relationship with Rodman. I remember those two being really close the first two season together, and I can't remember exactly why, but they had a falling out and Rodman barely acknowledged Luc during a lot of games. I think it had to do with Rodman thinking he was soft and not tough enough, but my memory has failed me.

I know he is a minor player - but much bigger than Bill Wennington and he featured pretty heavily in the first two episodes.

I didn't know about the Rodman Longley issues. Luc never seemed soft, so I'm surprised if that was the case. I just figured Rodman had issues with everyone around that time.

Bill Wennington made a cameo appearance and said only a small handful of words. I wouldn't call the being featured pretty heavily.

Jordan, Pippen and Krause were featured pretty heavily in the first two episodes and rightfully so. Longley and the other role players deserve their time in the spotlight, but not in the first couple of episodes.

[bamheat]

Man Jordan really couldnt do it without Pippen.

[Wilber85]

Man Jordan really couldnt do it without Pippen.

Lebron cannot do it without 2 superstars, KD couldnt do it without a 73 win team.

Do not be a fool

After Jordan and Pippen's last championship. Pippen went to the Rocket's where there were 2 stars (Olajuwon, Barkley). Why did they get bounced in First round? You would think Pippen with 2 more stars would still be a top contender!

Yeah, the answer, he didnt have a gel guy like Jordan, and a competitive teamate like jordan!

[r1terrell23]

What are you talking about? It was his second year and his team went 30-52. Ie Clippers or the if Zion Williamson or Luka Doncic put up 63 in the playoffs vs. the Clippers or the Lakers would they not be praised? Get real.

the point is LeBron would be mocked for not winning

Were you alive back then because I was and Jordan ABSOLUTELY got crapped on for not winning.

Lebron lost his chance at GOAT status when he said "this gon be easy" and then lost to Dirk and Jet Terry.

[The Rodzilla]

the point is LeBron would be mocked for not winning

Were you alive back then because I was and Jordan ABSOLUTELY got crapped on for not winning.

Lebron lost his chance at GOAT status when he said "this gon be easy" and then lost to Dirk and Jet Terry.

Jordan said that the magic is not a problem and then lost against them which should also disqualify him from the goat situation

if you want some further information kobe got swept by dallas and Westbrook/Durant/harden could only win 1, so its not like they were nothing

[2018C3]

I just figured Rodman had issues with everyone around that time.

He was polarizing, If Rodman played on your team in this era he was loved, If He did not there was no reason at all to like him. The guy was sneaky and antagonizing. As a Bulls fan I was never a fan of his childness antics, but was glad He was on our side.

I absolutely hated this guy before he joined forces, and anyone who ever had to watch there favorite team play against this clown, would too.

We will never see another Rodman, He was one of a kind.