The 2019-20 All-NBA Team!

[Antinomy]

Khris Middleton being left off is a disgrace.

[itrsteve]

Siakam over Tatum? I thought crazy Toronto fans only existed on realgm.

It's set in stone now. Can't do anything about it.

[Dr_Heat]

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Dallas so freaking lucky to have this guy. Oof
Can’t wait till Riley brings him here to Miami

[Orin]

the only thing Lowry has over him is TS%, eFG%. Westbrook PER 21, Lowry 17. Both are average defenders. So Westbrook dominates in points, rebs, assists and PER. And Lowry in the shooting stats. so basically Lowry is a better shooter, Westbrook is better at everything else. both are average defenders.

lowry is not an average defender.

okay, below average. i was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Calling one of the best defender of the decade a the PG position a below-average defender is mind-blowing.

[Duke4life831]

We got 1 tweet saying Luka is the 3rd youngest to get selected 1st and another tweet saying he is the youngest. Which one is it.

[SleepingDragon]

Swap AD and Jokic.
Swap Tatum and Siakam.
Replace Westbrook with Lowry or Kemba.

Nah...AD deserves 1st team.
Swap Luka and Jokic instead and put AD at 1st team PF since he mostly plays there.

[DS17]

Giannis> AD > Jokic

[Jaqua92]

WB: 27, 8, and 7 on 47% shooting
KL: 19, 5, and 7.5 on 42% shooting

So Russ average 8 more points, 3 more rebounds, almost the same assists AND was more efficient than lowry

No competition.

people who thinke kyle lowry is elite are funny. he's lucky to make all star teams, let alone all nba.

Found the casual

Kyle isnt elite.

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[Jaqua92]

Found the casual

lol. says the raptor fan.

OK and....

You literally have Westbrick over Lowry, clearly you don't understand winning in basketball

Lowry wasn't a winning player until he had Kawhi.

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[kuclas]

It’s ridiculous they use semi positions.

Why not just use straight vote? Middleton and embiid would have been 3rd team over Westbrook and Simmons.

And Middleton is a wing so could have been a guard.

[Ballerhogger]

Only 5/15 still in the playoffs lmao

And Davis ain't a C

He has played center a lot differnt matchups and our rosters lets him play PF

[Ballerhogger]

They should think about doing away with set positions

[Patsfan1081]

Also people **** on Siakam are using so much decency bias and are ignoring he has a really, really good season and was healthy for most of it.

He benefitted from the vote occurring pre-bubble. Using the complete regular season, he had no argument over Tatum.

No argument is a hell of a stretch. They were neck and neck in counting offensive stats, and Siakam is a better defender. Not to mention the Raptors were the better regular season team with arguably a weaker roster surrounding Siakam.

There’s an argument, and realistically it’s a 2a 2b type situation, not some clear cut winner.

This isn’t true at all, you can look at their pre all star game stats as proof. Every advanced stat favored Tatum, he even had twice the box +- and a plus 2 PER at the stoppage. Also his defensive metrics were better. I understand statistics aren’t everything but just to say one is better without any reasoning behind it is questionable. Tatum had that crazy month before the stoppage where he won player of the month, it’s also not like Toronto had distanced themselves like the Bucks in the regular season either.

[Tor_Raps]

Did anyone watch the bubble and think that Siakim is better than Anyone else in the third team?


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If we went by the bubble performance, he'd have a hard time making the all rookie team tbh lol.

[leolozon]

Too bad All-NBA is mostly about scoring in the regular season and not about actually making their teams better.
I go off Dean Oliver's ORTG - DRTG to give the impact they had for their team per 100 possessions off offense and defense.
Also, this is about the regular season, not who you ride or die with in the playoffs.

First team
Giannis +19
Lebron +10
Harden +12
AD +19
Luka +6

Second team
Kawhi +13
Jokic +11
Lillard +9
Cp3 +12
Siakam +2 <- Shouldn't of made the list

Third team
Tatum +5
Butler +15 <- 3rd team?
Gobert +26 <- 3rd team?
Simmons +10
Westbrook -3 <- Shouldn't of made the list

Some others...
Bam +10
Middleton +14
Whiteside +18
S.Adams +16
C.Wood +13
Towns +11
Lowery +10
Anunoby +10
D.Robinson +9
Embiid +9
Nance Jr. +9
B.Lopez +9
Hayward +9
Gallinari +9
Mikal Bridges +9
Sabonis +9
Bledsoe +8
P.Bev +9
VanVleet +7
Leonard +4
D.Mitchell -1
D.Fox -1
J.Murray -1
Dragic -3
Beal -4
J.Crowder(Mem) -3, J.Crowder(Mia) +20
D.Rose -6
Drummond -7
J.Richardson -7
Hield -8
Wiggins(Min)-11, Wiggins(GSW) -7
Herro -9
Winslow -18

The stats is putting Lebron at +10 and Gobert at +26. Why going off that?

[Tor_Raps]

can't believe Embiid didn't make any team. He's better than half of the guys listed there, including his beloved PG.

[Sara2009]

We got 1 tweet saying Luka is the 3rd youngest to get selected 1st and another tweet saying he is the youngest. Which one is it.

The 3rd youngest technically . He would’ve been the youngest if the season had ended when it was originally scheduled to.

[YogurtProducer]

He benefitted from the vote occurring pre-bubble. Using the complete regular season, he had no argument over Tatum.

No argument is a hell of a stretch. They were neck and neck in counting offensive stats, and Siakam is a better defender. Not to mention the Raptors were the better regular season team with arguably a weaker roster surrounding Siakam.

There’s an argument, and realistically it’s a 2a 2b type situation, not some clear cut winner.

This isn’t true at all, you can look at their pre all star game stats as proof. Every advanced stat favored Tatum, he even had twice the box +- and a plus 2 PER at the stoppage. Also his defensive metrics were better. I understand statistics aren’t everything but just to say one is better without any reasoning behind it is questionable. Tatum had that crazy month before the stoppage where he won player of the month, it’s also not like Toronto had distanced themselves like the Bucks in the regular season either.

Again, this is not some clear cut Tatum had a way better season.

We are talking about a difference of 0.5ppg, 0.3pg, 0.5apg, 0.4spg, equal blocks, 0.2topg, and 1.3TS% difference. Defensive advanced stats are questionable at best, and I never took or said any one stat is better. I said the two of them had such similar statistical and impactful seasons that here is not a clear winner here.

Everyone is just simply only rembering Tatum at his best (February, Bubble, and playoffs) and Siakam at his worst (same time frame). People are conveniently forgetting Tatum's atrocious start to the year.

Siakam

October 28.0 / 9.2 3.8 / 62.6TS%
November 24.0 / 8.4 / 4.0 / 53.1TS%
December 25.0 / 6.9 /2.9 / 55.0TS%
January 20.8 / 6.5 / 2.9 / 57.1TS%
February 23.1 / 7.2 / 3.6 / 56.6TS%
March 23.2 / 7.6 / 5.2 / 54.7TS%

Tatum

October - 21.5 / 8.0 / 2.0 / 48.2TS%
November 20.3 / 6.9 / 2.6 / 52.0TS%
December 22.4 / 6.7 / 3.3 / 56.2TS%
January 21.8 / 6.7 / 2.8 / 56.7TS%
February 30.7 / 7.9 / 3.2 / 63.7TS%
March 24.8 / 6.8 / 3.5 / 52.1TS%

So Siakam had a better October, November. They were pretty equal in December and January, Tatum had a killer February and Siakam had a better March.

Explain to me again how Tatum was lights out better? If anything, both had one outlier month (October Siakam, February Tatum) and Siakam had a much more well rounded rest of the reason compared to Tatum. Tatum had a better bubble/playoffs, but this voting did not take that into account at all.

Siakam > Tatum is absolutely the right take IMO for the season.

They are neck and neck up until March 2020.

[YogurtProducer]

Lebron also played a majority of his time at PG. Would you prefer if they had bumped Harden to the second team and move Kawhi to the first team? As another poster mentioned, it seems they have quasi-moved on from picking the best player at a certain position... or at a minimum voting based on best at a given position has been inconsistently done.

Guys were able to put guys as they saw fit (some guys had multi position eligibility)

They wanted (the NBA) to get the best 15 players on here, and that meant that if the majority had our Lebron and Kawhi on their first team they would’ve been, however they didn’t.

This has nothing to with positional requirements and it simply was more people voted for AD over Jokic

Middleton, who can play SG if necessary, get more points (82) than both third-team guards, but didn't reach all-NBA third team because he is nominated as forward.

Do you have any sort of source on that? I have not seen any of the voting outside the 3 teams

[xdrta+]

Guys were able to put guys as they saw fit (some guys had multi position eligibility)

They wanted (the NBA) to get the best 15 players on here, and that meant that if the majority had our Lebron and Kawhi on their first team they would’ve been, however they didn’t.

This has nothing to with positional requirements and it simply was more people voted for AD over Jokic

Middleton, who can play SG if necessary, get more points (82) than both third-team guards, but didn't reach all-NBA third team because he is nominated as forward.

Do you have any sort of source on that? I have not seen any of the voting outside the 3 teams

Middleton’s candidacy raises an interesting question. His 10 Second Team votes and 52 Third Team votes earned him 82 overall points, which exceeded Simmons’ total (61) and Westbrook’s (56). Because Middleton received his votes primarily as a forward rather than a guard, he missed out on an All-NBA spot.

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