LeBron is by far the greatest close out game player in NBA history

Eric Millegan · Post #161 » by **Eric Millegan** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 6:01 am

Homer38 wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:

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Pelicans with Davis (last year): No Playoffs.

Pelicans if LeBron joined...?

homecourtloss · Post #162 » by **homecourtloss** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 6:07 am

Ugalde wrote:yea when you have another top 5 player on your roster consistently that’s going to happen

Who was the “top 5 player” playing with James in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018?

Baski · Post #163 » by **Baski** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 10:14 am

Homer38 wrote:
Jedzz wrote:
Homer38 wrote:

The record of Jordan in his career without the great Scottie Pippen is also awful.

This isn't singles tennis. The discussion is sickoning, but carryon.

I know

It was just in response to JordanBulls who said that LBJ had missed the playoffs in 2019...

How anyone even takes that argument seriously is beyond me.

This is how it looks to me:

5+4 > 5, therefore 4 > 5

It gets dumber and dumber everytime I see it. No idea what Jordan is doing in GOAT talks when Pippen is so clearly better than him :lol:

Homer38 · Post #164 » by **Homer38** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 10:14 am

A_Biased_Fan wrote:
homecourtloss wrote:Bump

LeBron is 38-10 in closeout games, the best in NBA history.

LeBron, 38-10
Duncan, 35-14
Wade, 22-9
Shaq, 33-14
Jordan, 30-13
Kareem, 37-16
Magic, 32-14
Havlicek, 26-12
Durant, 21-10
Kobe, 33-16
Bill Russell 25-16
Bird, 22-17
Dr. J, 24-21

Others without 20+ closeout wins:

David Robinson, 16-6
Curry, 19-9
Mikan, 18-10
Drexler, 16-9
Isiah Thomas, 16-9
Kawhi 17-10
Dirk, 13-8
Hakeem, 16-10
Ewing, 17-12
Nash, 11-7
Oscar Robertson, 8-6
Wilt, 18-17
Moses Malone, 10-9
Kevin Garnett, 13-24
Barkley, 12-15
K. Malone, 19-24

Damn KG what you doin blowing that many closeout games!

Hard time to believe that KG has 24 loss in his career in closeout game...Maybe a typo by homecourtloss?

nbafan77 · Post #165 » by **nbafan77** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 10:50 am

Why LBJ haters acting like LBJ hadn’t had an injury last year?!
Lakers before LBJ injury was 4th in the West not far from the first place in the conference. Then he had a serious injury ( the biggest injury of his carrier) and the Lakers went from the top conference to bottom of it.

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trueballer7 · Post #166 » by **trueballer7** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 11:36 am

Look at this stupid stat HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. First time in my life I learn of a record in close-out games. Lebron and his zero actual records, always up with some new random mindless numbers.

homecourtloss · Post #167 » by **homecourtloss** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 2:12 pm

Homer38 wrote:
A_Biased_Fan wrote:
homecourtloss wrote:Bump

LeBron is 38-10 in closeout games, the best in NBA history.

LeBron, 38-10
Duncan, 35-14
Wade, 22-9
Shaq, 33-14
Jordan, 30-13
Kareem, 37-16
Magic, 32-14
Havlicek, 26-12
Durant, 21-10
Kobe, 33-16
Bill Russell 25-16
Bird, 22-17
Dr. J, 24-21

Others without 20+ closeout wins:

David Robinson, 16-6
Curry, 19-9
Mikan, 18-10
Drexler, 16-9
Isiah Thomas, 16-9
Kawhi 17-10
Dirk, 13-8
Hakeem, 16-10
Ewing, 17-12
Nash, 11-7
Oscar Robertson, 8-6
Wilt, 18-17
Moses Malone, 10-9
Kevin Garnett, 13-24
Barkley, 12-15
K. Malone, 19-24

Damn KG what you doin blowing that many closeout games!

Hard time to believe that KG has 24 loss in his career in closeout game...Maybe a typo by homecourtloss?

Good spot. It was supposed to be 13-14 though I just looked at it and and he’s 13-15.

Chandan · Post #168 » by **Chandan** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 3:02 pm

JoeyLightYears wrote:
Coco Costanza wrote:
JoeyLightYears wrote:
Jordan's been swept and lost in 5 too. Does it not count if it's before the Finals? LeBron should get a goddamn medal just for taking that crap in 2007 and 2018 to the Finals

Jordan only played with Pippen.

That's weird. I remember him playing with several all stars and a team that was a shot away from the ECF the year he sat out. Don't remember LeBron's former teams even making the playoffs when he left.

lebron would have traded everyone before they gel and become anything resembling a team. Jordan's supporting cast had years of playing behind Jordan and learning how to win. Everyone are pawns to Lebron unless you are Wade or AD who he treats like his queens.

gmoney411 · Post #169 » by **gmoney411** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 3:43 pm

Makes sense. We all know LeBron can win with lots of talent. But we also know LeBron will bail and/or complain about his teammates when they aren't. He's not toughing it out and waiting for help to come. I can't blame him for it but he's had a privilege that almost no other superstar has had and that's partly because he demanded it in a league that allowed it.

Look at a player like Hakeem. Went to the finals in his second year while beating the showtime Lakers. Then his team became trash and he was stuck with those guys for a long time. Imagine if he could have left to play with Drexler and Mullins. Then KJ and Kemp. Then Jason Kidd. You think he'd have at least 2 more rings with a great close out record?

Homer38 · Post #170 » by **Homer38** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 4:00 pm

gmoney411 wrote:Makes sense. We all know LeBron can win with lots of talent. But we also know LeBron will bail and/or complain about his teammates when they aren't. He's not toughing it out and waiting for help to come. I can't blame him for it but he's had a privilege that almost no other superstar has had and that's partly because he demanded it in a league that allowed it.

Look at a player like Hakeem. Went to the finals in his second year while beating the showtime Lakers. Then his team became trash and he was stuck with those guys for a long time. Imagine if he could have left to play with Drexler and Mullins. Then KJ and Kemp. Then Jason Kidd. You think he'd have at least 2 more rings with a great close out record?

LBJ has been in the finals with the 29th defense,just 2 years ago or winning 66 games with Mo Williams with the second best players in 2009,but he can't win without talent around him :-?

Unless,you think that only winning titles mean winning.Jordan doesn't have a good record without the great Scottie Pippen.

gmoney411 · Post #171 » by **gmoney411** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 4:13 pm

Homer38 wrote:
gmoney411 wrote:Makes sense. We all know LeBron can win with lots of talent. But we also know LeBron will bail and/or complain about his teammates when they aren't. He's not toughing it out and waiting for help to come. I can't blame him for it but he's had a privilege that almost no other superstar has had and that's partly because he demanded it in a league that allowed it.

Look at a player like Hakeem. Went to the finals in his second year while beating the showtime Lakers. Then his team became trash and he was stuck with those guys for a long time. Imagine if he could have left to play with Drexler and Mullins. Then KJ and Kemp. Then Jason Kidd. You think he'd have at least 2 more rings with a great close out record?

LBJ has been in the finals with the 29th defense,just 2 years ago or winning 66 games with Mo Williams with the second best players in 2009,but he can't win without talent around him

Unless,you think that only winning titles mean winning.Jordan doesn't have a good record without the great Scottie Pippen.

Winning means winning a title. I'm not sure LeBron could win a title with em Robert Horry as his best teammate. Maybe he could, but he wasn't waiting around to let us find out.

He doesn't. Everyone needs help to attain greatness like LeBron and Jordan did.

Homer38 · Post #172 » by **Homer38** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 4:14 pm

lazybatman wrote:

Read on Twitter

This would be called 'Killer instinct' if it was Jordan, but I'm sure the haters can find a 'frontrunner' narrative to it.

This

TheSheriff · Post #173 » by **TheSheriff** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 4:38 pm

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lazybatman wrote:

Read on Twitter

This

Well this is just a dumb tweet. He just manufactured a reason to ignore 2018-19.

Homer38 · Post #174 » by **Homer38** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 4:47 pm

TheSheriff wrote:]
lazybatman wrote:

Read on Twitter

This

Well this is just dumb tweet. He just manufactured a reason to ignore 2018-19.

Maybe but at the same time, there are two LeBron teams in the top 4 ... Several criticized LBJ in the past for his lack of Killer instinct but when he has a great record like that after leading after 3 quarter, some said that he's just a front runner!

swyftdahoe · Post #175 » by **swyftdahoe** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 5:01 pm

SpaceCenter wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
SpaceCenter wrote:
This may be the dumbest takes ever. Lebron has been on better teams than almost everyone on that list of course he'll have good numbers. I'd take Jordan/Kobe over him anyday to close out a game.

I was right with you until you mentioned kobe lol.

Have you ever watch Kobe score while getting quadruple teamed? That video shows him getting blocked and missing too but it important to see the type of defense this guy had to deal with compared to Lebron.

Watch on YouTube

lol

That seems like an indictment more than anything. A team would never D up Lebron that way as he'd tear them apart with his passing.

BigBoss23 · Post #176 » by **BigBoss23** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 5:05 pm

trueballer7 wrote:Look at this stupid stat HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. First time in my life I learn of a record in close-out games. Lebron and his zero actual records, always up with some new random mindless numbers.

Even the clutch shots stats are jokes for lbj.

2009 vs Magic
2015 vs Bulls
2018 vs Raps

Compared to

2013 Ray vs Spurs
2016 Kyrie vs Warriors

Obvious that against actual contenders that lbj doesnt have the same level of confidence. #frontrunner

Homer38 · Post #177 » by **Homer38** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 5:07 pm

BigBoss23 wrote:
trueballer7 wrote:Look at this stupid stat HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. First time in my life I learn of a record in close-out games. Lebron and his zero actual records, always up with some new random mindless numbers.

Even the clutch shots stats are jokes for lbj.

2009 vs Magic
2015 vs Bulls
2018 vs Raps

Compared to

2013 Ray vs Spurs
2016 Kyrie vs Warriors

Obvious that against actual contenders that lbj doesnt have the same level of confidence. #frontrunner

Cavsfansince84 · Post #178 » by **Cavsfansince84** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 5:34 pm

The lengths people have to go to in order to just hate on a player on this board... its both amazing and amusing to see.

Post #179 » by **loserX** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 5:44 pm

BigBoss23 wrote:
trueballer7 wrote:Look at this stupid stat HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. First time in my life I learn of a record in close-out games. Lebron and his zero actual records, always up with some new random mindless numbers.

Even the clutch shots stats are jokes for lbj.

2009 vs Magic
2015 vs Bulls
2018 vs Raps

Compared to

2013 Ray vs Spurs
2016 Kyrie vs Warriors

Obvious that against actual contenders that lbj doesnt have the same level of confidence. #frontrunner

Beyond silly. Ray only got the tying shot against the Spurs because Bosh rebounded a James miss; so confidence in taking the shot wasn't the issue there. James was also the best player in overtime (he hit the *actual* winning shot in game 6, for the record) and in game 7.

Also, there are other things that players can do in crunch time than shoot. (Say, a tremendous chasedown block in the closing moments of Game 7 against the Warriors.)

This is Texas sharpshooter fallacy all over. Just focus on any data point that supports the thesis, and flat-out ignore any data point that doesn't.

Jedzz · Post #180 » by **Jedzz** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 5:54 pm

Homer38 wrote:
A_Biased_Fan wrote:
homecourtloss wrote:Bump

LeBron is 38-10 in closeout games, the best in NBA history.

LeBron, 38-10
Duncan, 35-14
Wade, 22-9
Shaq, 33-14
Jordan, 30-13
Kareem, 37-16
Magic, 32-14
Havlicek, 26-12
Durant, 21-10
Kobe, 33-16
Bill Russell 25-16
Bird, 22-17
Dr. J, 24-21

Others without 20+ closeout wins:

David Robinson, 16-6
Curry, 19-9
Mikan, 18-10
Drexler, 16-9
Isiah Thomas, 16-9
Kawhi 17-10
Dirk, 13-8
Hakeem, 16-10
Ewing, 17-12
Nash, 11-7
Oscar Robertson, 8-6
Wilt, 18-17
Moses Malone, 10-9
Kevin Garnett, 13-24
Barkley, 12-15
K. Malone, 19-24

Damn KG what you doin blowing that many closeout games!

Hard time to believe that KG has 24 loss in his career in closeout game...Maybe a typo by homecourtloss?

He has playoff history in MN. If you were wondering where the losses came from. Still seems like a high number/typo. Should have gave Lebron a high number of losses (as a typo) just to see how many people run with that.