Haberstroh says "Good luck getting players/coaches fully on board with [vaccines]"

[Lalouie]

My wife was just showing me the VAERS (https://vaers.hhs.gov/) numbers for the vaccine...
12 people died from the vaccine in December. Those are just the people who filed a complaint with VAERS... So only the people who died had a complaint filed. There were a lot more adverse reactions than that. One doctor described being saved by an Epi-pen...
The media has incorrect data according to the government.

I would think the NBA should really look at the data before promoting anything, especially any kind of medical procedure, where an actual side effect is death.

i'm waiting to see who grows a third eye before i get the vax and IF i get it it'll be whatever the potus gets

[sikma42]

Why should a 26 year old NBA athlete be concerned about COVID? They should wear masks in public and socially distance for others buy that is to reduce transmission.

The vaccine hasn't been tested re its effects on transmission. Really should be their choice until someone can show its effect on transmission.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for athletes who have access to an M.D. every workday to help allay their concerns. There's no end of experts that the NBA and PA can throw at their players to understand the risks and benefits to receiving the vaccine.

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There's been nothing to say it won't be their choice. Why should a 26 year old NBA athlete be concerned about the vaccine? They should get it, and promote it.

Please walk me through your reasoning. Assume I dont believe that all NBA players have a moral imperative to use their platform.

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[dhsilv2]

Why should a 26 year old NBA athlete be concerned about COVID? They should wear masks in public and socially distance for others buy that is to reduce transmission.

The vaccine hasn't been tested re its effects on transmission. Really should be their choice until someone can show its effect on transmission.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for athletes who have access to an M.D. every workday to help allay their concerns. There's no end of experts that the NBA and PA can throw at their players to understand the risks and benefits to receiving the vaccine.

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So fans can watch them at court side? So trainers and coaches who aren't 26 don't get infected? Because some players do have pre existing conditions?

[Edrees]

My wife was just showing me the VAERS (https://vaers.hhs.gov/) numbers for the vaccine...
12 people died from the vaccine in December. Those are just the people who filed a complaint with VAERS... So only the people who died had a complaint filed. There were a lot more adverse reactions than that. One doctor described being saved by an Epi-pen...
The media has incorrect data according to the government.

I would think the NBA should really look at the data before promoting anything, especially any kind of medical procedure, where an actual side effect is death.

Can you kindly point to where on the website I can find the death numbers? (Where it says 12 people) It's not on the same page you linked.

[JayMKE]

A lot of you guys seem to think this is some silver bullet cure that will eradicate the illness when it’s anything but, covid will be an endemic illness now all over the world like it or not. This is the “new normal” and lockdown conditions will not be rolled back until people demand that they are, they can’t produce billions of this vaccine every 2-3 months until the end of time. I guess it’s how much freedom you’re willing to trade for security, I don’t feel very free or secure in this country anymore.

[Tanks1]

Two groups of people you need to watch. The wealthy and Israel. Both groups are getting the vaccine.
Israel is up to almost 25 % of their population vaccinated in a little over a month. The Israeli people would NEVER, NEVER
do anything that could hurt its people. btw, they are not sharing any doses with the Palestine people until they are vaccinated fully.

Rich and wealthy people are jumping the line purchasing and receiving the vaccine ahead of the regular population.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliverwilliams1/2021/01/07/rich-and-powerful-attempt-to-jump-covid-vaccine-queues/?sh=6c8077781a73

https://www.vox.com/2021/1/14/22215896/israel-vaccine-coronavirus-pfizer-netanyahu

[sikma42]

Why should a 26 year old NBA athlete be concerned about COVID? They should wear masks in public and socially distance for others buy that is to reduce transmission.

The vaccine hasn't been tested re its effects on transmission. Really should be their choice until someone can show its effect on transmission.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for athletes who have access to an M.D. every workday to help allay their concerns. There's no end of experts that the NBA and PA can throw at their players to understand the risks and benefits to receiving the vaccine.

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So fans can watch them at court side? So trainers and coaches who aren't 26 don't get infected? Because some players do have pre existing conditions?

No studies on whether the vaccine effects transmission. If there are pls share them.

If some players have preexisting conditions, im sure they can make the right decision.

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[NBA Sheady]

If you’re not part of the risk groups you don’t need to worry about the vaccine, it doesn’t stop you from getting

The Moderna vaccine is 94.1% effective. What do you think that number refers to?

[NBA Sheady]

Many people commenting here clearly do not understand the very basics of vaccine science.

The goal is herd immunity. There are various numbers thrown around on this and much more research is needed but the general concept is as follows.

Once enough people in a population have immunity the virus can no longer spread.

So for example once 75% of the population is vaccinated the virus can no longer be spread through a community.

This is the goal. Herd immunity is the goal and for this reason getting vaccinated is in no way simply a personal decision. This is how we beat the virus. Please be part of the solution.

[dhsilv2]

Why should a 26 year old NBA athlete be concerned about COVID? They should wear masks in public and socially distance for others buy that is to reduce transmission.

The vaccine hasn't been tested re its effects on transmission. Really should be their choice until someone can show its effect on transmission.



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So fans can watch them at court side? So trainers and coaches who aren't 26 don't get infected? Because some players do have pre existing conditions?

No studies on whether the vaccine effects transmission. If there are pls share them.

If some players have preexisting conditions, im sure they can make the right decision.

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well if your immune system fights it off, you won't have any issue transmitting. I guess you might have a day or something...but when you have almost none of the virus in your system, you're not going to have much to pass on either.

[SAKURABA216]

My wife was just showing me the VAERS (https://vaers.hhs.gov/) numbers for the vaccine...
12 people died from the vaccine in December. Those are just the people who filed a complaint with VAERS... So only the people who died had a complaint filed. There were a lot more adverse reactions than that. One doctor described being saved by an Epi-pen...
The media has incorrect data according to the government.

I would think the NBA should really look at the data before promoting anything, especially any kind of medical procedure, where an actual side effect is death.

Was the cause of death actually the vaccine or did 12 people that took the vaccine die in December? Because if it's the former, misinformation like that is why this pandemic has been increasingly difficult to manage.

Your point is valid, but it would be more reason not to take the vaccine. That the death numbers are highly exaggerated. Meanwhile the case numbers are way under reality. Meaning the death % is extremely minimal. Especially for anyone under 80.

I'm not sure that the death rate for people under 80% is the best metric to use to determine whether or not a professional athlete should or should not be vaccinated against Covid-19. A person in his 20s-30s could come down with Covid-19 and it could cause irreparable damage to their respiratory system.

My brother-in-law is in his 30s and in great shape, contracted Covid, and spent 3 weeks in the ER on a ventilator and has been on an oxygen tank for the past month after being sent home. However, this would not show up in the stats you are using, but his lungs are absolutely jacked right now. He can't get up to go to the bathroom without getting winded, let alone run, so if he was a professional athlete his career would essentially be over as the scar tissue in his lungs could take years to heal.

[Purdydrup]

Anyone who is considering getting an experimental vaccine that has never been used before and only was approved due to an emergency order because of the "pandemic", should really take a step back and do their own research on the matter.

The fact is we don't even have short term data, let along long term data of the potential side effects. Our immune system has over a 99% chance of fighting the virus itself and virtually no one under the age of 70 that is healthy is facing any real consequences from it.

I have literally seen forums of people posting side effects far worse than anything the virus can do and they are literally happy about it. This is not normal. Stay safe folks. If something seems fishy, it probably is.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I guess I don't see why, if vaccines are available, the league would be concerned with requiring everyone to get vaccinated. I would guess the vast majority of players are healthy enough for a vaccine since they are healthy enough to play at that level. If a player chooses not to get a vaccine and they get sick playing, so be it. I guess you have coaches who could fall into "need to protect" group but unless you require a vaccine for all professions, I don't get why the nba would be any different.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Anyone who is considering getting an experimental vaccine that has never been used before and only was approved due to an emergency order because of the "pandemic", should really take a step back and do their own research on the matter.

The fact is we don't even have short term data, let along long term data of the potential side effects. Our immune system has over a 99% chance of fighting the virus itself and virtually no one under the age of 70 that is healthy is facing any real consequences from it.

I have literally seen forums of people posting side effects far worse than anything the virus can do and they are literally happy about it. This is not normal. Stay safe folks. If something seems fishy, it probably is.

Hard to take anyone seriously that puts pandemic in quotes. Dr. Facebook isn't licensed, btw.

[rapstarter]

The fact is we don't even have short term data, let along long term data of the potential side effects. Our immune system has over a 99% chance of fighting the virus itself and virtually no one under the age of 70 that is healthy is facing any real consequences from it.

They've had phases of trials, so there are short term data available. As for long term, technically we don't know what the long term effects of COVID are either.

I have literally seen forums of people posting side effects far worse than anything the virus can do and they are literally happy about it. This is not normal. Stay safe folks. If something seems fishy, it probably is.

And I have literally seen forums of people who died from this disease. If you think virtually no one under age of 70 that is healthy is facing any real consequences (which is of course true), think again, because proportionally, significantly less people than that get side effects from vaccination.

So yeah, if you think COVID is not dangerous based on data, you should also believe vaccination is not dangerous because data is even stronger for the latter.

I mean one of the earliest posts in this thread cited 12 deaths as a huge concern. While 12 is 12 too many, 12 out of 3 million is a small percentage (significantly lower than the COVID mortality rate)

[ATLTimekeeper]

I guess I don't see why, if vaccines are available, the league would be concerned with requiring everyone to get vaccinated. I would guess the vast majority of players are healthy enough for a vaccine since they are healthy enough to play at that level. If a player chooses not to get a vaccine and they get sick playing, so be it. I guess you have coaches who could fall into "need to protect" group but unless you require a vaccine for all professions, I don't get why the nba would be any different.

Probably for the same reason they don't let them play with covid.

[NBA Sheady]

Anyone who is considering getting an experimental vaccine that has never been used before and only was approved due to an emergency order because of the "pandemic", should really take a step back and do their own research on the matter.

The fact is we don't even have short term data

Please stop posting. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Using the Pfizer vaccine as an example:
Phase 1 Trial (complete)
Phase 2 Trial (complete)
Phase 3 Trial (complete)

The Phase 3 trial had 40K participants. That is short term data.

Where do you people get these ridiculous ideas? I mean honestly, ten seconds of googling would have shown you how incorrect that statement is.

Anyone who is considering getting an experimental

None of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines are experimental and it is incredibly irresponsible to call it that.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I guess I don't see why, if vaccines are available, the league would be concerned with requiring everyone to get vaccinated. I would guess the vast majority of players are healthy enough for a vaccine since they are healthy enough to play at that level. If a player chooses not to get a vaccine and they get sick playing, so be it. I guess you have coaches who could fall into "need to protect" group but unless you require a vaccine for all professions, I don't get why the nba would be any different.

Probably for the same reason they don't let them play with covid.

Well, now it makes sense to not let them play since they are being 'forced' to play in an unsafe environment without being immune. If a player has the option to have the vaccine and passes it is the players decision, but shouldn't really effect players who are vaccinated.

[SF_Warriors]

My wife was just showing me the VAERS (https://vaers.hhs.gov/) numbers for the vaccine...
12 people died from the vaccine in December. Those are just the people who filed a complaint with VAERS... So only the people who died had a complaint filed. There were a lot more adverse reactions than that. One doctor described being saved by an Epi-pen...
The media has incorrect data according to the government.

I would think the NBA should really look at the data before promoting anything, especially any kind of medical procedure, where an actual side effect is death.

Was the cause of death actually the vaccine or did 12 people that took the vaccine die in December? Because if it's the former, misinformation like that is why this pandemic has been increasingly difficult to manage.

Is every reported covid death from covid or is it something else that killed them? Because if it's the latter, misinformation like that is why people are skeptical over this pandemic. Just playing devil's advocate here

The US saw 334,000 more deaths in 2020 than in 2019 and had the highest death rate per 1,000 people since 1949...So even if some deaths had multiple contributing factors..something came about that killed hundreds of thousands of people more than the previous year. Its not a coincidence. Link and excerpt from the article is below.

https://usafacts.org/articles/preliminary-us-death-statistics-more-deaths-in-2020-than-2019-coronavirus-age-flu/

According to preliminary weekly data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) (as of January 6, 2021), 3,187,086 people died from all causes between January 1 and December 26, 2020. While this data is preliminary and is incomplete for at least the last eight weeks of reported data, it provides for useful context.

According to the same estimates, 2,852,609 people died in 2019, meaning at least 334,000 more people have died so far in 2020 than 2019, despite missing or incomplete data for October through December. Using the recent estimate of the 2020 population from the Census Bureau, the death rate so far in 2020 would be 9.7 deaths per 1,000, the highest death rate since 1949. However, the recent population estimate does not incorporate the results of the 2020 Census, which should improve the accuracy of the estimate.

[Purdydrup]

Anyone who is considering getting an experimental vaccine that has never been used before and only was approved due to an emergency order because of the "pandemic", should really take a step back and do their own research on the matter.

The fact is we don't even have short term data

Please stop posting. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Using the Pfizer vaccine as an example:
Phase 1 Trial (complete)
Phase 2 Trial (complete)
Phase 3 Trial (complete)

The Phase 3 trial had 40K participants. That is short term data.

Where do you people get these ridiculous ideas? I mean honestly, ten seconds of googling would have shown you how incorrect that statement is.

Anyone who is considering getting an experimental

None of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines are experimental and it is incredibly irresponsible to call it that.

You are welcome to your opinion. You think a vaccine that was created in 9 months has already went through 3 major clinical trials? Sorry but I would love to see you source what you just said.