Ainge misses out on another superstar, overrated GM

[scottyno]

Ainge's biggest mistake was blowing his wad on Kemba who is on the wrong side of 30, undersized, and injury prone. The celtics don't need him.

No, his biggest mistake was drafting Kelly Olynyk instead of Giannis Antetokounmpo in 2013. His second biggest mistake was acquring Kyrie Irving. His third biggest mistake was drafting Marcus Banks instead of David West. His fourth biggest mistake was draffting JaJuan Johnson ahead of Jimmy Butler. His fifth biggest mistake was drafting JR Giddens ahead of about ten players who were better, starting with DeAndre Jordan and Goran Dragic.

It took him 10 years on the job before he started drafting well.

He drafted Perkins Jefferson Allen West and Rondo all in his first 4 years with mid to late 1sts. But yeah, took him 10 years to figure out how to draft right?

[Jack Dempsey]

I don't like Danny Ainge but he made the right move this time imo. Harden wouldn't have gotten them to the promised land and the Celtics would have taken a huge step back in the long term.

He missed out on Turner (if that offer really was on the table) which was a huge mistake. Also, the Kyrie Irving trade was a bad one. In hinsight I'd much rather have SGA (the BKN pick) than Kyrie or now Kemba. Overpaying Kemba was also bad.

[giannis and 1]

I don't think it was a mistake to not trade for Harden.

Missing out on Butler and PG and going after Kyrie were mistakes though.

[celtxman]

That's not what the hypothetical is. The question is would you rather have one title with Harden and perhaps have a smaller overall period of success if Harden leaves, retires, or declines rapidly after Ainge gives him an extension. Or would you prefer not winning a title but having Brown and Tatum become Celtic legends? This is a real question. Teams who have never won a title have less leeway in this department.

What's the point of anyone answering said hypothetical that has no purpose because it's not how sports work? 95% of celtics fans would take the title if it was actually guaranteed, but you know it's not so there's no point.

Of course a title is not guaranteed, the question is one of sentimentality. Would a 'contrived' title feel better than being the bridesmaid but never the bride in the Eastern conference but you get to keep the guys you're emotionally attached to?

There were a few Raptors fans who did say they would have preferred landing Giannis in FA and keeping him the rest of his career rather than winning the 2019 title with Kawhi... which wasn't a hypothetical.

IMO you ALWAYS take the championship over many good years with HOF talent. That's the short answer. It just doesn't apply to the subject of the post

[durden_tyler]

The Celtics have to win at least one with Ainge, or else he'll be seen as a GM who just couldn't pull the trigger.

[Jkam31]

Fans of teams that didn’t trade for harden trashing him but would defend him if he got traded there, comical

[Jkam31]

Its weird how Ainge triggers people so much.

First of all..SMART move not getting disease Harden.

AD he also had ZERO shot at because LeBron was already slurping him.

KL was ONLY going to LA....We knew that when he was still at Spurs.

CP3 meh

Playoff P....PASS

What a HORRIBLE list of examples.

is there any top 8 player you would want

[Darth Celtic]

The Celtics have to win at least one with Ainge, or else he'll be seen as a GM who just couldn't pull the trigger.

You do realize they already did?

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[Saint Lazarus]

I don't think it was a mistake to not trade for Harden.

Missing out on Butler and PG and going after Kyrie were mistakes though.

Would you rather have one of Butler/PG or Brown, Tatum, and Hayward?

I’m tired of other fan bases playing arm chair GM and not even thinking through what their proposed trades would result in.

[giannis and 1]

I don't think it was a mistake to not trade for Harden.

Missing out on Butler and PG and going after Kyrie were mistakes though.

Would you rather have one of Butler/PG or Brown, Tatum, and Hayward?

I’m tired of other fan bases playing arm chair GM and not even thinking through what their proposed trades would result in.

Couldn't they have offered what they gave up for Kyrie to get Butler or PG?

[PierceFan4ever]

I don't think it was a mistake to not trade for Harden.

Missing out on Butler and PG and going after Kyrie were mistakes though.

Would you rather have one of Butler/PG or Brown, Tatum, and Hayward?

I’m tired of other fan bases playing arm chair GM and not even thinking through what their proposed trades would result in.

Couldn't they have offered what they gave up for Kyrie to get Butler or PG?

They already had Tatum, Brown, Hayward, and Morris as their wings..they didn’t need another. The Celtics needed a point guard after IT went down so it made since to go after a young championship experienced point guard in Kyrie who had 2 years in his contract. Unfortunately Kyrie had a lot of issues and so it didn’t work out just like Hayward didn’t either with his injuries.

You’re playing hindsight here big time

[giannis and 1]

Would you rather have one of Butler/PG or Brown, Tatum, and Hayward?

I’m tired of other fan bases playing arm chair GM and not even thinking through what their proposed trades would result in.

Couldn't they have offered what they gave up for Kyrie to get Butler or PG?

They already had Tatum, Brown, Hayward, and Morris as their wings..they didn’t need another. The Celtics needed a point guard after IT went down so it made since to go after a young championship experienced point guard in Kyrie who had 2 years in his contract. Unfortunately Kyrie had a lot of issues and so it didn’t work out just like Hayward didn’t either with his injuries.

You’re playing hindsight here big time

When they traded for Kyrie, I thought it was a bad trade. I have always thought he is overrated.

[The_Hater]

At some point, Ainge needs to be called out for his lack of action to acquire a premiere all star. He has missed out on PG, KL, AD, Harden, CP3, Im running out of fingers to keep it counting.

Ainge problem is he is too emotionally attached to this assets, sometimes you just need to let it go in order to go for the ring. Right now, they are capped out as a ECF round team not having enough stars to move on.

He will be a case study on missed opportunities by a GM.

Is this your thing? Just making hot takes to draw attention? We all still remember how the Curry thread turned out and many others.

Boston would have been foolish to give up Tatum or Brown imo so they didn’t really have the right starting package to make a deal, especially considering everything else the would have had to throw in on top of that. Ainge got this one right.

[NoZoLakers]

well apparently Turner and his 4blks wasnt worth his salary either to Bos fans and Ainge, so tpe and Thompson was better

[DirtyDez]

Why do people want to hate on Ainge so much? Is it the Isiah stuff?

[Kingdibs19]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/261185/Danny-Ainge-Price-For-James-Harden-Was-Really-High-For-Us

Not this again. Always the same rhetoric. missed like 10 superstars by now i lost count.

The one time he went for it was the wrong quasi-star in Kyrie who should not be a #1 option.

Everytime Ainge actually went for a player it backfired (Horford, Kemba, Hayward etc). At least he has Tatum & Brown.

[durden_tyler]

The Celtics have to win at least one with Ainge, or else he'll be seen as a GM who just couldn't pull the trigger.

You do realize they already did?

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The one over a decade ago?

[TheHardenChoke]

Its weird how Ainge triggers people so much.

First of all..SMART move not getting disease Harden.

AD he also had ZERO shot at because LeBron was already slurping him.

KL was ONLY going to LA....We knew that when he was still at Spurs.

CP3 meh

Playoff P....PASS

What a HORRIBLE list of examples.

is there any top 8 player you would want

AD and KL were not possible, wasn't about wanting them.

Fair call on playoff p because he always shrinks when you actually need him.

Would never want Harden in a million years.

[LakersSoul]

Why do people want to hate on Ainge so much? Is it the Isiah stuff?

Ainge has that ebenezer Scrooge imprint. Does care about IT, hunched over in a candle light counting his draft picks. He tries to always get the upper hand and is overly afraid to spend money. Every purchase has a flaw except his assets.

[LewisnotMiller]

At some point, Ainge needs to be called out for his lack of action to acquire a premiere all star. He has missed out on PG, KL, AD, Harden, CP3, Im running out of fingers to keep it counting.

Ainge problem is he is too emotionally attached to this assets, sometimes you just need to let it go in order to go for the ring. Right now, they are capped out as a ECF round team not having enough stars to move on.

He will be a case study on missed opportunities by a GM.

The nice thing about this take is you can fire it off everytime a star moves without having to prove it would have actually helped us win chips.

So, in this specific case, the plan is what? We trade Brown (presumably) and hope that Harden and Tatum equals championship. So are you saying here that it WOULD? Or are you just shouting into the void?
For me, I don't see adding Harden and losing Smart and Brown as equaling a championship. And you're then left with an aging star, Tatum, and no draft picks.

I wanted Durant. And I wanted Davis (although that made me feel dirty, but the dude is a talent). Harden is fine, but not at any price. The Nets are gambling that they can win a chip with their big 3, which is debateable, but we would have been left with a big 2, and a bunch of prayers that Kemba's knee would correct itself to the point where he'd become a 6 foot tall member of a big 3 (exceedingly rare).