NBA MVP Discussion 20/21 (Fresh poll ➥ Vote)

[Freighttrain]

You know that the Nuggets are just one win away from 4th seed and four wins away from 1st seed, right? It's the beginning of the season. You're acting like the Nuggets are 4-10 or something

You also realise they're one loss away from 11th in the standing and four from being last? It goes both ways. Records are what they are. They might be skewed during the pandemic but the Nuggets haven't been good enough to warrant a Jokic MVP contention.

That's exactly my point, it's too early in the season to make that big of a deal whether a team is 3rd or 9th in the conference when the difference is a couple of wins. Jokic has clearly been a top 5 player so far, and saying that you have to be on drugs to mention him in the MVP conversation is ridiculous.

I mean we're already at the 20% mark if I'm not mistaken. A lot can happen obviously, and Jokic's individual numbers are MVP worthy, but they desperately need someone else to step up. They're already at a point in the season where they need to rack up some consecutive wins in order to be within closing distance of the Lakers/Clippers, which isn't something you'd expect from Denver. Again, the schedule is skewed because of players missing etc,.. But that's just the way it is. I also don't see a case for Jokic as the MVP if Denver is 3rd in the standings tbf. Especially if that means they lost a spot compared to last year's season.

[DCasey91]

Embiid has definitely been the luckiest so far. Luka hasn't had half of his team (including 4 starters) for most of the games played so far. Missed bunch of reserves too. Freaking Iwundu, dude...

I’d probably disagree with you on Embiid. He’s never had an actually pg/elite perimeter threat. Big men with either or both of those two would dominate even more. (Jokic/Murray ECF two years in a row)
Elite two way Big men with an outside threat/facilitator historically goes all the way or is a legit threat to everyone.

But I certainly agree with Doncic though, he’s doing a Harden in a couple of seasons for the rockets. (For all the negativity for Harden I have him having 2 MVP’s the one where Giannis won and a 2nd place finish that’s ATG great company.)

[Muha_i_samolet]

Embiid has definitely been the luckiest so far. Luka hasn't had half of his team (including 4 starters) for most of the games played so far. Missed bunch of reserves too. Freaking Iwundu, dude...

I’d probably disagree with you on Embiid. He’s never had an actually pg/elite perimeter threat. Big men with either or both of those two would dominate even more. (Jokic/Murray ECF two years in a row)
Elite two way Big men with an outside threat/facilitator historically goes all the way or is a legit threat to everyone.

But I certainly agree with Doncic though, he’s doing a Harden in a couple of seasons for the rockets. (For all the negativity for Harden I have him having 2 MVP’s the one where Giannis won and a 2nd place finish that’s ATG great company.)

Oh no, Biid is amazing, I like watching him as well when he's not hanging at the 3 line half the game. I meant he kinda got lucky so far with all the injuries and stuff, thus his record is good, while Jokic and Luka were pretty much dragging their teams single-handedly.
Also, Morey is a genius, you're lucky to have him. I think Donnie has bee npretty good for us but he's no Morey.

If Biid keeps this pace both stat-wise and W-wise, I'd ahve 0 problem with him getting the award.

[DCasey91]

Embiid has definitely been the luckiest so far. Luka hasn't had half of his team (including 4 starters) for most of the games played so far. Missed bunch of reserves too. Freaking Iwundu, dude...

I’d probably disagree with you on Embiid. He’s never had an actually pg/elite perimeter threat. Big men with either or both of those two would dominate even more. (Jokic/Murray ECF two years in a row)
Elite two way Big men with an outside threat/facilitator historically goes all the way or is a legit threat to everyone.

But I certainly agree with Doncic though, he’s doing a Harden in a couple of seasons for the rockets. (For all the negativity for Harden I have him having 2 MVP’s the one where Giannis won and a 2nd place finish that’s ATG great company.)

Oh no, Biid is amazing, I like watching him as well when he's not hanging at the 3 line half the game. I meant he kinda got lucky so far with all the injuries and stuff, thus his record is good, while Jokic and Luka were pretty much dragging their teams single-handedly.
Also, Morey is a genius, you're lucky to have him. I think Donnie has bee npretty good for us but he's no Morey.

If Biid keeps this pace both stat-wise and W-wise, I'd ahve 0 problem with him getting the award.

Haha yeah in morey we trust

I’m rooting for all three actually. Would love to see a new winner because the Doncic reign will soon be in full swing in the next decade!

[youngcrev]

2 centers are leading the race right now, and another one that sneakily starts at the 4 Tim Duncan-style just won a championship as co-best player. The revival is real.

[Stribor]

2 centers are leading the race right now, and another one who sneakily starts at the 4 Tim Duncan style just one a championship as co-best player. The revival is real.

Yup, and although I really like LBJ, just stop with that call. He is at the moment 20th in points and 7th in Assists. Last 30 years the only player that was not in a top 10 in scoring and got MVP was Nash that was both times first in assists. LBJ also has a good team and although they are first they did not really separate that much that you can say that they have some domination narrative going for him. LBJ is still probably the best player in the finals and the guy most probable to bring the championship, but an MVP / just give me a break. It is laughable at this moment.

[The_Brecht]

Joel leading imo.

4th Q LBJ is the real MPV though.

[youngcrev]

2 centers are leading the race right now, and another one who sneakily starts at the 4 Tim Duncan style just one a championship as co-best player. The revival is real.

Yup, and although I really like LBJ, just stop with that call. He is at the moment 20th in points and 7th in Assists. Last 30 years the only player that was not in a top 10 in scoring and got MVP was Nash that was both times first in assists. LBJ also has a good team and although they are first they did not really separate that much that you can say that they have some domination narrative going for him. LBJ is still probably the best player in the finals and the guy most probable to bring the championship, but an MVP / just give me a break. It is laughable at this moment.

Stop with what call? All I basically said was the Davis just won (or one as I stupidly wrote at first) as the 1B option. Never said anything about MVP for Lebron.

[Infinite Llamas]

Jokic/Embiid/Luka top 3 right now

Lebron/Kawhi/George/KD the next tier

[Stribor]

2 centers are leading the race right now, and another one who sneakily starts at the 4 Tim Duncan style just one a championship as co-best player. The revival is real.

Yup, and although I really like LBJ, just stop with that call. He is at the moment 20th in points and 7th in Assists. Last 30 years the only player that was not in a top 10 in scoring and got MVP was Nash that was both times first in assists. LBJ also has a good team and although they are first they did not really separate that much that you can say that they have some domination narrative going for him. LBJ is still probably the best player in the finals and the guy most probable to bring the championship, but an MVP / just give me a break. It is laughable at this moment.

Stop with what call? All I basically said was the Davis just won (or one as I stupidly wrote at first) as the 1B option. Never said anything about MVP for Lebron.

My bad. I didn't make it clear that I totally agree with your post and I would only add that LBJ is not in any kind of combination for MVP and should not be. Really totally my bad, sorry.

[Stribor]

Joel leading imo.

4th Q LBJ is the real MPV though.

Yeah and if you count only the seconds Beal scores, he is the real GOAT, as he scores once per every second ...

[Stribor]

Joel leading imo.

4th Q LBJ is the real MPV though.

Yeah and if you count only the seconds Beal scores, he is the real GOAT, as he scores once per every second ...

[rzzzzz]

I’ve been waiting for years for the Sixer organization to build a roster and construct a scheme around Embiid. Doc is old school and Morey is amazing. However, given all that, we’d still need Simmons to play like he did late in last nites game to win a title.

[Stribor]

I’ve been waiting for years for the Sixer organization to build a roster and construct a scheme around Embiid. Doc is old school and Morey is amazing. However, given all that, we’d still need Simmons to play like he did late in last nites game to win a title.

True that, but also if he continues to play his usual self, it increases chances for Embiid to win MVP - of which this thread is about.

[Texas Chuck]

2 centers are leading the race right now, and another one that sneakily starts at the 4 Tim Duncan-style just won a championship as co-best player. The revival is real.

And I think Giannis is really a center too when it comes down to it. Durant probably should be the center for the Nets. The big man is definitely back.

[Benedict_Boozer]

If the Lakers get the best record with some decent separation, folks need to prepare themselves to see the King get the MVP.

If it’s close I would personally go with Embiid or Jokic, but neither of those guys has the narrative LBJ will get and if he can sniff it - expect LBJ to ramp up his play down the stretch like he did last year

[nzahir]

His stats aint good enough, combined with also having another MVP caliber player on his team and theres zero chance he is even in the talks for this award.

I could see if he was having a monster year, but hes not.

Except he was #1 on the kia mvp ladder

Lakers should finish with the #1 seed

Lebron may then get a ton of legacy votes

I think Lebron was more valuable than Giannis last yr, but got robbed and the season cutting short saved Giannis from losing the mvp since he got hurt right as the season was paused

The seeding doesent really matter anymore. What matters is putting together a monster year statwise, getting a higher seed, and being the clear cut best player on the team, where you are lightyears above your teammates, truly meaning the team is trash without you.

Its true the media may give LeBron a lifetime achievement MVP, but there are going to be so many other more deserving players with far better stats this year.

Just look at Luka, hes averaging a triple double and the second best player on the team has barely played, hes basically a one-man show.

Very wrong

Every mvp is a top 2 seed in his conference

Russ was an exception b/c he averaged a triple double 5 years ago for the first time since Oscar and people didn't realize/care how much he was stat padding and how the pace was inflated

If Jokic or Embiid aren't top 2 seeds in their conferences, they won't win it

I don't think Utah will get there. Lakers and Clipper should lock up top 2, Jazz an outside shot

Philly likely will, playing like the best team in the East

Injury always worries with my Embiid though, but I wonder if I should hedge my Lebron bet and go with Embiid

[MindState]

Except he was #1 on the kia mvp ladder

Lakers should finish with the #1 seed

Lebron may then get a ton of legacy votes

I think Lebron was more valuable than Giannis last yr, but got robbed and the season cutting short saved Giannis from losing the mvp since he got hurt right as the season was paused

The seeding doesent really matter anymore. What matters is putting together a monster year statwise, getting a higher seed, and being the clear cut best player on the team, where you are lightyears above your teammates, truly meaning the team is trash without you.

Its true the media may give LeBron a lifetime achievement MVP, but there are going to be so many other more deserving players with far better stats this year.

Just look at Luka, hes averaging a triple double and the second best player on the team has barely played, hes basically a one-man show.

Very wrong

Every mvp is a top 2 seed in his conference

Russ was an exception b/c he averaged a triple double 5 years ago for the first time since Oscar and people didn't realize/care how much he was stat padding and how the pace was inflated

If Jokic or Embiid aren't top 2 seeds in their conferences, they won't win it

I don't think Utah will get there. Lakers and Clipper should lock up top 2, Jazz an outside shot

Philly likely will, playing like the best team in the East

Injury always worries with my Embiid though, but I wonder if I should hedge my Lebron bet and go with Embiid

Westbrook was the 4 seed when he won MVP. And again, LeBrons stats simply wont be good enough, even if they get the #1 seed.

[BelgradeNugget]

The Nuggets are 7-3 in the last 10 games, only Lakers, Clippers and Jazz are better with 8-2. The Bucks are 7-3 also. They are coming and Jokic is climbing the ladder.

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[Balls Deep]

Anyone mentioning Jokic is on drugs.. dude is barely taking his team to a winning record.. its Bron or Embiid, that’s it

You know that the Nuggets are just one win away from 4th seed and four wins away from 1st seed, right? It's the beginning of the season. You're acting like the Nuggets are 4-10 or something

Their record still sucks lol.. It's the beginning of the season but that still matters, and 4 games is a big swing this early on