Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs?

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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#161 » by sunsbg » Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:35 pm

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First, Iwundu/Green cannot play in any Euroleague club and not even in any second or third tier competition in Europe.

Booker and Luka play very different. Luka is Pg, Booker isn't, Luka has 10 drives per game more than Booker. Luka has more than 2x assists. So please don't compare those 2 players.


The number of drives like the potential assists just show he's extremely ball-dominant. Many Suns fans like me want Booker to move the ball more. Both of them though like to take early shot clock 3s and call for screens immediately they cross the half-court line just so they can drive to the basket, thus the comparison. Yeah, they will pass for a lob or corner 3 eventually with Doncic obviously being the better and more talented passer. It's still a 2-3 passes max in a possession, which to me becomes boring at some point. I find Jokic's passing way more impressive as he's not dominating the ball so much. I would imagine more players, especially good ball-handlers, would like to join the Nuggets to play with Jokic, rather than the Mavs. There is a chance the Mavs are stuck with picking from role players and Luka eventually decides to go and form a superteam somewhere.



You do realize Luka's "ball dominance," led the Mavs to the highest ranked offense ever last year, correct?


Another weird stat in the no D era. Nobody outside Mavs fans will remember this fact in a few years. Nothing memorable about how Mavs play on O, certainly not a showtime team. Very similar to Rockets offense when Capela was on the team. Either James lob to Capela, corner 3, step back 3. Harden didn't win a title with this style, interesting to see how far Luka goes with it.
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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#162 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:57 pm

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30796251/the-rise-luka-doncic-happened-faster-anyone-predicted

"He's going to be the best player in Europe in a couple of years, trust me on that. In the NBA, too," Dragic declared after the championship game. "Mark my words, he's going to be one of the best in the whole world."

Dragic has been proved right. After all, Doncic became the youngest MVP in EuroLeague history after leading Real Madrid to Liga ACB and EuroLeague titles the next season. His honors after two seasons with the Dallas Mavericks include Rookie of the Year and first-team All-NBA selections, becoming the first player to accomplish that in his second season since Hall of Fame inductee Tim Duncan. At 21, Doncic entered his third NBA season as the odds-on MVP favorite.

Dragic's expectations are far from the only ones that Doncic has wildly exceeded. Doncic somehow managed to be both the most hyped international prospect in basketball history and drastically underestimated as he arrived in the sport's premier stage. "I thought he was going to need some more time to develop and to figure out the NBA style and NBA game," Dragic says. "I knew that in four or five years, he would be one of the best players in the league. But, yeah, he demonstrated that I was wrong about that.
"It happened a lot faster."
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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#163 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:26 am

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Another weird stat in the no D era. Nobody outside Mavs fans will remember this fact in a few years. Nothing memorable about how Mavs play on O, certainly not a showtime team.



I love this first line. Where you claim its all about the era. Except Dallas was the only team doing this last year. The difference between their efficiency and the Clippers at #2 was the same as between the Clippers at #2 and a league average offense. In other words it wasn't just that the Mavs had the most efficient offense of all-time--its that they completely lapped the league they were in while doing so.

It was a historically good offense. Now you might forget it about it. Cool. I don't care. Doesn't mean it didn't happen because you don't recall it.

And the Mavs were entertaining as hell on offense last year fwiw. Maybe not your cup of tea--maybe you don't like elite offense led by a genius. Guessing you weren't a Suns fan in the Nash days or that would have been hell. 8-)
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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#164 » by aggerrard » Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:10 am

Mavs front-office are to stubborn to admit or fix the problems. Continues to play Powell big minute to prove his worth. KP is likely untouchable as one of Cubans 'finest' trades - i don't see anyway he is giving up on that project, even if it looks hopeless down the line.
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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#165 » by mulamutti » Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:21 am

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mulamutti wrote:Ball hog point guards don't work in basketball. you can go back forever, and there are very few ball-dominant pgs that don't pass that win (championships) in the NBA. You will find quite a few ball-dominant stat padding PGs whose teams are not successful. Iverson, Kyrie (he won cuz Lebron was the PG), damian lillard, etc.

it only works when the PG activates the other 5 people from the team. Luka obviously have passing capabilities, but he still tries to create his offense first. If he starts working solely on creating everyone's offense, and learns to activate his offense stealthily and when needed, dallas will succeed (on offense). i mean i couldn't watch last year's playoffs with luka just playing hero ball by himself. I dont care how crap his team is, they're nba players. plenty of other teams like spurs, raptors, miami etc. make their players look amaznig, by creating plays for them. ball hog point guards like luka make everyone look worse. Lebron always made his entire team look like studs. Luka better learn to do that, or he is going to be another damian lillard, kyrie or iverson (spectacular individually, but drags down the team to mediocrity or worse).


This is one of the worst takes on Luka's game I've ever read: hear a better one from the reference-man you mention himself.



It's even more funny when 1 page before i listed statistical facts that Luka is one of the most unselfish players in the NBA and is actively looking to involve his team and then he goes and writes this.

Russ and Drummond have stats too. Russ is appparently unselfish if you look at his stats. Point is he makes everyone worse. Luka ain’t that bad however, and I just think his mental focus should be less on how he does and more on making teammates better.
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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#166 » by baldur » Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:49 am

trade porzingis. can't stay healthy at all.
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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#167 » by TheBonzaiEffect » Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:52 am

mulamutti wrote:
Archx wrote:
DrPampiloni wrote:
This is one of the worst takes on Luka's game I've ever read: hear a better one from the reference-man you mention himself.



It's even more funny when 1 page before i listed statistical facts that Luka is one of the most unselfish players in the NBA and is actively looking to involve his team and then he goes and writes this.

Russ and Drummond have stats too. Russ is appparently unselfish if you look at his stats. Point is he makes everyone worse. Luka ain’t that bad however, and I just think his mental focus should be less on how he does and more on making teammates better.



Lmao all he does is make his scrub ass teammates better. They’re the second worst team in the west without him.
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Post#168 » by Phreak50 » Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:54 am

-20 in the first 11 mins currently against the Jazz.

In a few years time we'll be talking about Luka the same way we currently talk about Westbrook.

Mark my word.
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Post#169 » by Jazztop » Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:55 am

bwgood77 wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30796251/the-rise-luka-doncic-happened-faster-anyone-predicted

"He's going to be the best player in Europe in a couple of years, trust me on that. In the NBA, too," Dragic declared after the championship game. "Mark my words, he's going to be one of the best in the whole world."

Dragic has been proved right. After all, Doncic became the youngest MVP in EuroLeague history after leading Real Madrid to Liga ACB and EuroLeague titles the next season. His honors after two seasons with the Dallas Mavericks include Rookie of the Year and first-team All-NBA selections, becoming the first player to accomplish that in his second season since Hall of Fame inductee Tim Duncan. At 21, Doncic entered his third NBA season as the odds-on MVP favorite.

Dragic's expectations are far from the only ones that Doncic has wildly exceeded. Doncic somehow managed to be both the most hyped international prospect in basketball history and drastically underestimated as he arrived in the sport's premier stage. "I thought he was going to need some more time to develop and to figure out the NBA style and NBA game," Dragic says. "I knew that in four or five years, he would be one of the best players in the league. But, yeah, he demonstrated that I was wrong about that.
"It happened a lot faster."

Read that story lol. This game against the Jazz will say alot about Luka. Can he actually show some leadership and fight for his team or will he continue to crumble under any sort of pressure. Jordan Clarkson has been making him look like LiAngelo Ball lol.
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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#170 » by Raps in 4 » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:38 am

Phreak50 wrote:-20 in the first 11 mins currently against the Jazz.

In a few years time we'll be talking about Luka the same way we currently talk about Westbrook.

Mark my word.


Their games have nothing in common.
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Post#171 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:49 am

It would be a real shame the Mavs miss the playoffs in such a loaded draft.


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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#172 » by Capn'O » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:54 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:It would be a real shame the Mavs miss the playoffs in such a loaded draft.


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I'm sure "Wilt" Porzingis will find his rebounding prowess soon enough and they'll turn things around.
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Post#173 » by Tennis19 » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:58 am

19 vs 38 on rebounds last time i checked.. SMH
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Post#174 » by DaGawd » Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:04 am

This is playing out excellently!
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Post#175 » by Openheimer » Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:09 am

Mavs are playing close to full strength and still getting waxed
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Post#176 » by Lava Rock Kid » Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:13 am

Dude chill. Utah is REALLY good right now.
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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#177 » by agentofatlas » Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:22 am

Sucks but Covid really **** the team up. The Mavs win usually with the help of the bench. It balanced the inconsistency of KP on offense last year. This year they've been MIA.

Next few games will be interesting. If they can weather this stretch their sked is gonna be easier.
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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#178 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:33 am

aggerrard wrote:Mavs front-office are to stubborn to admit or fix the problems. .


This is the exact opposite of the history of this front office. Dallas turns over the roster more than just about any team in the league. They stayed largely pat this off-season because of Giannis dreams.

Mavs are a mess and need to figure it out internally or make some changes, but the FO isn't scared or stubborn. At all.
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Post#179 » by Tomjas » Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:42 am

Luka & KP are 2 of the most overhyped players in the NBA

Compare the heat that they get with Embiid & Simmons

Dallas guys couldn’t win a chook raffle if they had the only ticket
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Post#180 » by boogiezen » Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:24 am

Some of the takes here are terrible, even comparing Luka to Westbrook. Lol. First, Luka won a title in Real Madrid where he wasn't bringing the ball. He can play off ball!!!! But the system that Carlisle/Dallas put in the last two years were design for Luka. What about change it and put a real PG instead!
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