76ers back to fining Ben Simmons

[gp2015]

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you take off joel and you take off whoever you think is the best on the CHI, idk man, it looks pretty good for the bulls.

My bad, didn't see the qulaifier that you take away the best player on each team.

Regardless though, the Bulls have gotten off to a good start but still have a lot to prove IMO and the playoffs are a whole different animal. I need to see how they perform in the playoffs.

ben or not joels giving them 33, 15 and great defense and winning the series regardless if ben plays. thats my guy

Curry is stepping up too now. Sixers don't even need Simmons right now.

[madmaxmedia]

He has negative value now. He tipped his hand when he said he only wanted to play in LA or SF. If you are any other team why would you offer anything for him, knowing you could get stuck with a max contract who is “not mentally ready to play” for your team? Plus you either pay out or end up in arbitration or a lawsuit against a player, which isn’t good for any franchise.

Any team that is interested is going to check with Ben's camp before seriously negotiating. I 100% agree that if you get a cold shoulder from Ben or his agent, the current ongoing mess is going to make you much less likely to want to take that risk (unlike say Toronto trading for Kawhi without knowing what he'd do after his contract ended.)

Simmons has 3.9 years left on his contract. He has zero leverage where he can go.

That’s what people have to understand

This isn’t a 2 year situation like kyrie (cavaliers) or harden

This isn’t. A one year situation like AD/Leonard.

This is why Simmons and klutch are close to being out of options having tried the mental illness angle.

Simmons has zero leverage, except if he's willing to set fire to everything around him. It's not that I think Simmons is pulling strings of any sort, but what team is going to want to pony up huge assets for a guy who clearly presents some risk if you trade for him?

He is obviously more than willing to cut off the nose to spite the face.

[SpreeChokeJob]

Curry is stepping up too now. Sixers don't even need Simmons right now.

Simmons played this like an idiot child fool. Once he stepped down the worst case was for others to step up.

Other players stepped up to get paid. Meanwhile he is losing money left and right.

He should went back and balled out to get where he needed to go. The only value or real leverage of an employee is their production level. Once he lost that, his importance became less. They don’t care about Simmons at all at this point. They are just going to extract his money to pay Curry or Maxey in the future.

[The Real Dalic]

I signed a contract with my job and can leave at any time to work for a different company. They not telling me to work for them and not get paid lmao

Simmons can go work at a car rental place if he'd like, he can go sell TVs at Best Buy if he'd like. There wouldnt be a league anymore if players could just get up and decide to play for whatever team they want on any given day. There does need to be some kind of structure to make the league work.

And guess what in return for that, players get paid ridiculous amounts of money to play a game. That is a hell of a trade off. If Simmons didnt think the money was worth playing in Philly, no one forced him to sign a contract in Philly where he can get paid 35 million a year. He could've said no I will just take the QO and become a free agent the next summer.

There is nothing racist about this. There isn't something in NBA contracts that allows white players to just get up and move to whatever team they want, whenever they want. But black players cant.

Its pretty simple, Ben Simmons signed a 5 year contract for 177 million dollars to play for Philly. There is nothing racist about this situation.

Watch Kaps Netflix show if you haven't already? I see where you're coming from and generally agree, there does need to be a structure that promotes competition. But that structure needs to consider the very real history that exists within slavery & sport. Right now, it doesnt, but it does more so than it did 10, 20, 50 years ago, etc.

To say "there is nothing racist about this situation" is very black and white/all or nothing thinking. We live in racist and sexist systems, that were part of. So its natural that there will be pieces of it in different places. To denounce it authoritatively and with confidence, when the history is there and the structure isn't currently adequately set up...?

Oh, you mean that stupid thing that Colin showed that made no sense since NFL players sign up for that stuff? Plus the fact that there are white, asians, hispanics, etc, that have to go through the same process? That Kap thing?

Plus also the fact that he keeps trying to get back into that very league and complains every time no one signs him? Doesn't sound like slavery to me. Because not every single facet of life has to deal with race.

[Duke4life831]

I signed a contract with my job and can leave at any time to work for a different company. They not telling me to work for them and not get paid lmao

Simmons can go work at a car rental place if he'd like, he can go sell TVs at Best Buy if he'd like. There wouldnt be a league anymore if players could just get up and decide to play for whatever team they want on any given day. There does need to be some kind of structure to make the league work.

And guess what in return for that, players get paid ridiculous amounts of money to play a game. That is a hell of a trade off. If Simmons didnt think the money was worth playing in Philly, no one forced him to sign a contract in Philly where he can get paid 35 million a year. He could've said no I will just take the QO and become a free agent the next summer.

There is nothing racist about this. There isn't something in NBA contracts that allows white players to just get up and move to whatever team they want, whenever they want. But black players cant.

Its pretty simple, Ben Simmons signed a 5 year contract for 177 million dollars to play for Philly. There is nothing racist about this situation.

Watch Kaps Netflix show if you haven't already? I see where you're coming from and generally agree, there does need to be a structure that promotes competition. But that structure needs to consider the very real history that exists within slavery & sport. Right now, it doesnt, but it does more so than it did 10, 20, 50 years ago, etc.

To say "there is nothing racist about this situation" is very black and white/all or nothing thinking. We live in racist and sexist systems, that were part of. So its natural that there will be pieces of it in different places. To denounce it authoritatively and with confidence, when the history is there and the structure isn't currently adequately set up...?

This is what I cant stand with this stuff. I cant stand when people look for undertones and things between the lines, when there really is nothing there. Ya I saw parts of Kaepernicks show and thought it was laughably bad. Him trying to draw connections between the NFL combine and a slave auction. Guess what the combine is, its a job interview. Guess what the job is for, an athletic game. Guess what is very important for a professional athletic game, athletic measurements. Guess what is the best way to get get those, to measure their athletic abilities. I also love how the NFL went from being racist for blackballing him, to now the NFL itself is a racist system...

Also the very real history that exists within slavery and sport? Ya back in the days only whites were allowed to play professional sports. But now there is a slavery connection to the basic structure of sports? That makes zero sense. How is the basic structure of the NBA (like playing for a team) have racist undertones when there were no black players in the NBA for the first 4 years of it? Or were the people that created the NBA just so forward thinking that they knew decades down the line the NBA was going to be a majority of black players, so they decided to make a connection between how they created the structure for the league and slavery...

There is nothing racist about a basic contract. Again there is nothing in NBA contract that says a white player can go choose his team whenever he wants but a black player cant. I dont recall people talking about the racist structures of the NBA when JJ Redick came out and was pissed that he asked for a trade and didnt get one, and he wanted to play up in New York and by the time he did get traded it was down to Texas.

Kids of all races and from all over the world dream about being professional athletes. They dream about playing in the NBA or the NFL or whatever league. There are countless stories of players talking about how they were heart broken because they didnt get invited to the NFL combine. These arent racist structures.

[madmaxmedia]

Clown world. Let him go, you can’t force a man to be somewhere he doesn’t want to be. I’m seeing this is racist now srs

So what is the point of multi-year contracts then? you sign a 5-year contract and you can decide whenever you want that you don't want to work there anymore? why would this be fair for the team, who is always taking a certain risk, be it a player declining or getting injured in the next years, if the player can void the contract at any moment he decides to?

The NBA could do what the NFL does and have non-guaranteed contracts. It would be a way to balance risk and compensation.

But then the players would be up in arms and never agree to it.

The NFL is a cold place to be- high risk of injury, shortest careers, and non-guaranteed contracts!

To be fair, contracts are not really structured around years, they are structured around the part of the contract that is guaranteed (signing/roster bonus, etc.)

[mademan]

He has negative value now. He tipped his hand when he said he only wanted to play in LA or SF. If you are any other team why would you offer anything for him, knowing you could get stuck with a max contract who is “not mentally ready to play” for your team? Plus you either pay out or end up in arbitration or a lawsuit against a player, which isn’t good for any franchise.

Any team that is interested is going to check with Ben's camp before seriously negotiating. I 100% agree that if you get a cold shoulder from Ben or his agent, the current ongoing mess is going to make you much less likely to want to take that risk (unlike say Toronto trading for Kawhi without knowing what he'd do after his contract ended.)

Simmons has 3.9 years left on his contract. He has zero leverage where he can go.

That’s what people have to understand

This isn’t a 2 year situation like kyrie (cavaliers) or harden

This isn’t. A one year situation like AD/Leonard.

This is why Simmons and klutch are close to being out of options having tried the mental illness angle.

Simmons can have 10 years on his contract. At the end of the day, no team is gonna pay anything more than a pittance if they dont like where Simmons head is at with regards to being on their squad. No team wants to pay to have the Sixers problem, so ya, Simmons kinda has say in where he goes.

Fortunately tho, it's been leaked that he's cool with anywhere but Philly

[WarriorGM]

Curry is stepping up too now. Sixers don't even need Simmons right now.

Simmons played this like an idiot child fool. Once he stepped down the worst case was for others to step up.

Other players stepped up to get paid. Meanwhile he is losing money left and right.

He should went back and balled out to get where he needed to go. The only value or real leverage of an employee is their production level. Once he lost that, his importance became less. They don’t care about Simmons at all at this point. They are just going to extract his money to pay Curry or Maxey in the future.

I'm pretty sure the bench players on the team don't mind at all that Simmons isn't playing. Why should they? For them it means one thing: more minutes. All the guys that went the G-league route I'm sure appreciate it.

[DarthTeufel]

Simmons should be allowed to go to whichever team he chooses to (that is when he feels he is mentally ready, he can continue to play Call of duty in the meantime) AND the sixers should have to pay him as well. This is racist. Always trying to keep the black man down!

Do not derail threads with race-based trolling. Do not respond to this, everyone. -b

[DusterBuster]

Exactly. This isn't unreasonable and it's super annoying the amount of people who just blindly think a player claiming mental healthy issues is above any question or reproach just because they've said the words "my mental health". They think that's the ultimate trump card and once it's played you should just shut your mouth on it.

As someone who's dealt with mental health issues and pretty clearly sees this as a situation where mental health issues are being abused to be compensated for not working, I think it's complete bull.

Yeah this is the difference between coming up with some dumb strategy with your buddies versus trying to execute said strategy to screw over a multi-billion dollar organization.

And maybe he is suffering from mental issues for all we know, still gotta show the proof and work with the organization if you want the checks to come. Pretty simple.

Morey/Sixers/league's doctor literally cannot 'prove' that Simmons doesn't have a mental health issue.

It is much easier for Simmons' camp to claim that he has an issue based on the assessment of a psychiatrist friendly with/or paid off by Rich Paul.

Sixers can go for the fraud angle, but that seems questionable in the context of a player claiming mental health issues.

They can’t prove he has mental health issues, but they can confirm he’s seeing a team approved therapist. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with them providing him a list of approved therapists in the area for treatment or the team vetting the therapist he chooses for legitimacy.

[jstross]

Ben isn't willing to see the Sixers medical professionals, but ok to see his own? Unaccpptable when $31 million a season is involved.
If he's legit having a mental breakdown then je's have no problem seeing the Sixers medical staff.

Having to meet with team physician is harming Simmons' mental health.

Don't see Sixers ever winning this one in arbitration if challenged. They cannot prove that Simmons is not suffering from mental health issues.

Of course, I do think Simmons / Rich Paul is faking this whole mental health episode.

[SpreeChokeJob]

Curry is stepping up too now. Sixers don't even need Simmons right now.

Simmons played this like an idiot child fool. Once he stepped down the worst case was for others to step up.

Other players stepped up to get paid. Meanwhile he is losing money left and right.

He should went back and balled out to get where he needed to go. The only value or real leverage of an employee is their production level. Once he lost that, his importance became less. They don’t care about Simmons at all at this point. They are just going to extract his money to pay Curry or Maxey in the future.

I'm pretty sure the bench players on the team don't mind at all that Simmons isn't playing. Why should they? For them it means one thing: more minutes.

The teammates are happy he’s not playing. Just open the doors for someone like GP2 to shine.

[madmaxmedia]

The next move for Ben is obviously to play and suck and/or start weeping openly during the game.

With a t-shirt on, and his game jersey in his pocket...

[LakerLegend]

Come on guys, he doesn’t have mental health problems. He’s spoiled and selfish and tried to use his contract stipulations to get paid without rendering services. The sixers need to use every legal remedy available to get every dime he’s taken in the last couple of months.

[K3nny Pow3rs]

They don't need to prove that, they just need to prove he hasn't provided sufficient evidence that he is suffering from mental health issues. Which he hasn't. Burden of proof is flipped on something like this.

Exactly. This isn't unreasonable and it's super annoying the amount of people who just blindly think a player claiming mental healthy issues is above any question or reproach just because they've said the words "my mental health". They think that's the ultimate trump card and once it's played you should just shut your mouth on it.

As someone who's dealt with mental health issues and pretty clearly sees this as a situation where mental health issues are being abused to be compensated for not working, I think it's complete bull.

Yeah this is the difference between coming up with some dumb strategy with your buddies versus trying to execute said strategy to screw over a multi-billion dollar organization.

And maybe he is suffering from mental issues for all we know, still gotta show the proof and work with the organization if you want the checks to come. Pretty simple.

Simmons has been seeing the NBA therapist for several months, so when this goes to court (of law) he'll simply provide the mental health report, but he should never willingly share it with the Sixers. You know their history of mismanaging Fultz and Zhaire.....you can never trust the Sixers, and even less in this situation. And if he shares the mental health report the Sixers will probably leak bits and pieces anonymously to the media to create a false narrative with lines taken out of context....

[Texas Chuck]

Ugh. Just so much ugh itt.

People angry beyond anger that a player who makes a lot of money might want to play somewhere else. But when the teams who make even more money trade them, not one bit of angst. Simple jealousy, nothing more.

Other jobs have non-compete clauses. Where no you can't just quit your job and go work for a competitor immediately. Obviously the more important you are, the more likely you will have a clause like this. This isn't remotely unique to sports.

I hate the Kap connection here. Kap really did face racial discrimination no matter what the usual suspects would rather we ignored. But this isn't that. This isn't an issue of race, but control and the fight for it.

And of course my personal pet peeve the many posters who still think its appropriate or informative their non-trained medical opinion from 1000 miles away on his mental health. You don't know. Stop saying you do.

I have sympathy for both sides here. I don't think Ben Simmons is the worst person alive like so many of you are desperate to insist. I also don't think he's handled this perfectly. I think this sucks for the Sixers not having him available and trashing his own trade value making it hard to find resolution that way. I also think they've got to take some responsibility for their parts in it getting to this point and yes they have some. And yes some of the issues with previous players are potentially quite relevant but ignored.

[WarriorGM]

Simmons played this like an idiot child fool. Once he stepped down the worst case was for others to step up.

Other players stepped up to get paid. Meanwhile he is losing money left and right.

He should went back and balled out to get where he needed to go. The only value or real leverage of an employee is their production level. Once he lost that, his importance became less. They don’t care about Simmons at all at this point. They are just going to extract his money to pay Curry or Maxey in the future.

I'm pretty sure the bench players on the team don't mind at all that Simmons isn't playing. Why should they? For them it means one thing: more minutes.

The teammates are happy he’s not playing. Just open the doors for someone like GP2 to shine.

The Sixers actually have quite a few young guys who could benefit from playing more: Maxey, Milton, Korkmaz, Niang, etc.

[sikma42]

Ben isn't willing to see the Sixers medical professionals, but ok to see his own? Unaccpptable when $31 million a season is involved.
If he's legit having a mental breakdown then je's have no problem seeing the Sixers medical staff.

Having to meet with team physician is harming Simmons' mental health.

Don't see Sixers ever winning this one in arbitration if challenged. They cannot prove that Simmons is not suffering from mental health issues.

Of course, I do think Simmons / Rich Paul is faking this whole mental health episode.

So he has to see their therapist? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds. Especially after all the leaks during this process and the obvious conflict of interest.


Like the poster above said..I think a lot of these sentiments are based on jealously and discontent with their own work situations

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[PlatinumState]

If I was Ben I'd just go back playing the best way I can raising my trade value hoping to get traded by the deadline. Doesnt matter if I have to come off the bench.
This is the only way that makes sense on all levels

[K3nny Pow3rs]

If I was Ben I'd just go back playing the best way I can raising my trade value hoping to get traded by the deadline. Doesnt matter if I have to come off the bench.
This is the only way that makes sense on all levels

Why would Simmons want to raise his trade value? All that does is make Philly ask for more.....and make it harder to trade him because Morey already has asked for too much.
Simmons should reduce his trade value, plus he doesn't want his destination team to lose talent....