Who can hold out longer? Ben or philly?

[Dan Z]

Morey will lose his job over this mess.

Could. He didn’t realize how big a loser Ben Simmons is when he took the job!

My guess is that he's talked to the Sixers owners throughout this process. They know what's going on.

[Wolfgang630]

Source?

[jlokine]

if it's cade for simmons straight up, i'd do it.. if it's 3 picks and 3 pick swaps on top of it, no thanks.

[Lalouie]

i hot taked that a while back. the pistons will never do it.
my feeling was cade was a rookie with potential and ben is a bona fide all star. the chances of cade becoming what ben has been were slim. so detroit would get a true all star.

but philly waited too long and cade looks very good. if there was a sliver of a chance that detroit would bite, it is ZERO now

[Richard4444]

Source?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10018752-ben-simmons-trade-rumors-cade-cunningham-of-interest-76ers-dont-want-jerami-grant

https://clutchpoints.com/sixers-rumor-cade-cunningham-not-jerami-grant-is-only-player-76ers-want-in-ben-simmons-trade/

[Apse4]

Ben to Detroit is like Leonard to Canada but without chance for title. I love it.

[Tanks1]

Moderators....Can we please have a Ben Simmons sticky or freeze on posts for 2021?

[bisme37]

This is not really worth a thread imo. (Cade for Ben)

There was a rumor a couple days ago that Philly liked Jerami Grant from Detroit. Then there was another rumor that said that wasn't true and the Sixers won't trade Simmons for Grant. And in the midst of the Philly-Detroit trade speculation, Sam Amick said...

In the Detroit example, sources say there’s not much of a discussion to be had unless the Pistons unexpectedly decided to throw Cade Cunningham, this year’s No. 1 overall pick, into the mix. Even then, the timeline Cunningham is on relative to Joel Embiid would make that a tough proposition for Philly to say yes to.

So there's no discussion of Cade for Simmons happening, and according to this Philly isn't even sure they would do it. Not to mention Detroit wouldn't do it. So it's not a story. It's just a journalist thinking out loud.

https://clutchpoints.com/sixers-rumor-cade-cunningham-not-jerami-grant-is-only-player-76ers-want-in-ben-simmons-trade/

And yes, OP, if you're going to post threads like this you gotta link a source. It's crucial information.

We've already had a ton of Simmons topics so I'm merging this with the most current one.

[sp6r=underrated]

If the Sixers don't trade him this year, and Simmons continues his holdout, it will end in a lose-lose situation.

Simmons will lose alot of money. Being away from the NBA for an entire season will hurt his play. And there is no guarantee he either leaves Philly or if he leaves he gets to a team or city he wants. That is a clear lost for Ben.

It is also a loss for the Sixer. Ben, despite what his haters tell you, makes Philly better. With him the Sixers have a chance at winning at a title. Without him, but trading him for assets they probably still have an outside shot at a title. But if he stays on the roster and never plays, they have no shot.

Title windows can close fast. Wasting a season in a title window should always be avoided.

Both sides seem dug in. Simmons wants out and is trying to do anything to avoid playing. Morey is Morey, and like Ainge, sees players as simply assets. He seems completely unwilling to accept 80 cents on the dollar. So we have a stalemate.

Hopefully a resolution can be reached. I want all the players playing.

[Dan Z]

This is not really worth a thread imo. (Cade for Ben)

There was a rumor a couple days ago that Philly liked Jerami Grant from Detroit. Then there was another rumor that said that wasn't true and the Sixers won't trade Simmons for Grant. And in the midst of the Philly-Detroit trade speculation, Sam Amick said...

In the Detroit example, sources say there’s not much of a discussion to be had unless the Pistons unexpectedly decided to throw Cade Cunningham, this year’s No. 1 overall pick, into the mix. Even then, the timeline Cunningham is on relative to Joel Embiid would make that a tough proposition for Philly to say yes to.

So there's no discussion of Cade for Simmons happening, and according to this Philly isn't even sure they would do it. Not to mention Detroit wouldn't do it. So it's not a story. It's just a journalist thinking out loud.

https://clutchpoints.com/sixers-rumor-cade-cunningham-not-jerami-grant-is-only-player-76ers-want-in-ben-simmons-trade/

And yes, OP, if you're going to post threads like this you gotta link a source. It's crucial information.

We've already had a ton of Simmons topics so I'm merging this with the most current one.

It's sad that a journalist can think out loud and then many people take that to mean it's a real story. But, that's the current world we live in.

[Dan Z]

i hot taked that a while back. the pistons will never do it.
my feeling was cade was a rookie with potential and ben is a bona fide all star. the chances of cade becoming what ben has been were slim. so detroit would get a true all star.

but philly waited too long and cade looks very good. if there was a sliver of a chance that detroit would bite, it is ZERO now

Philly waited too long for what? I highly doubt the Pistons ever considered trading Cade for Simmons at any time. Plus, as you see in this thread, the story came from a journalist who was thinking out loud. It wasn't a real story.

[bebopdeluxe]

Morey will lose his job over this mess.

Could. He didn’t realize how big a loser Ben Simmons is when he took the job!

My guess is that he's talked to the Sixers owners throughout this process. They know what's going on.

This.

[Tor_Raps]

Pistons said no to SGA + 6th pick for Cade... they sure as hell won't trade Cade for Simmons lol.

[the_process]

You Chicken Littles crack me up.

The sky is not falling. Embiid is locked in long term. If he asks out later, so be it.

Trading Simmons for Brogdon and a 1st, as an example, does not move the needle in the right direction. It likely makes them worse than they were with Ben, and with a draft pick that would be a total crapshoot statistically, and also require time to develop.

It has to be a better offer than that. If no one wants to give that up? We wait. Something will shake free eventually.

[the_process]

If the Sixers don't trade him this year, and Simmons continues his holdout, it will end in a lose-lose situation.

Simmons will lose alot of money. Being away from the NBA for an entire season will hurt his play. And there is no guarantee he either leaves Philly or if he leaves he gets to a team or city he wants. That is a clear lost for Ben.

It is also a loss for the Sixer. Ben, despite what his haters tell you, makes Philly better. With him the Sixers have a chance at winning at a title. Without him, but trading him for assets they probably still have an outside shot at a title. But if he stays on the roster and never plays, they have no shot.

Title windows can close fast. Wasting a season in a title window should always be avoided.

Both sides seem dug in. Simmons wants out and is trying to do anything to avoid playing. Morey is Morey, and like Ainge, sees players as simply assets. He seems completely unwilling to accept 80 cents on the dollar. So we have a stalemate.

Hopefully a resolution can be reached. I want all the players playing.

If the offers were 80¢, something would’ve been completed by now. Still waiting.

[sikma42]

You Chicken Littles crack me up.

The sky is not falling. Embiid is locked in long term. If he asks out later, so be it.

Trading Simmons for Brogdon and a 1st, as an example, does not move the needle in the right direction. It likely makes them worse than they were with Ben, and with a draft pick that would be a total crapshoot statistically, and also require time to develop.

It has to be a better offer than that. If no one wants to give that up? We wait. Something will shake free eventually.

I didn’t read past, “so be it.” Please explain how that is your response. If Embiid wants out, then it’s a catastrophic failure.


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[the_process]

You Chicken Littles crack me up.

The sky is not falling. Embiid is locked in long term. If he asks out later, so be it.

Trading Simmons for Brogdon and a 1st, as an example, does not move the needle in the right direction. It likely makes them worse than they were with Ben, and with a draft pick that would be a total crapshoot statistically, and also require time to develop.

It has to be a better offer than that. If no one wants to give that up? We wait. Something will shake free eventually.

I didn’t read past, “so be it.” Please explain how that is your response. If Embiid wants out, then it’s a catastrophic failure.


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This team isn’t winning as is. Has to be a good Simmons trade.

And Embiid isn’t asking out any time within the next 24 months. If some hellscape scenario arises and two full seasons go by without a Simmons trade… then Jo would have every right to ask out, and they should accommodate him as the franchise player. Sixers have Processed before, doing it again isn’t going to kill anyone.

For the record, I don’t expect Simmons to be on the roster longer than the next 9 months.

[CIN-C-STAR]

His value automatically goes up in the off season simply because more teams will be willing to shake up their rosters then and precise draft capital will be set.
Most likely a deal gets done then though there's also a chance something shakes out before the deadline this season.
It's unfortunate players choose to blindside their teams with these demands right before the season starts, putting the teams in as bad of a position as possible. It's one thing to want out, but that's just a big F U to the organization that has paid you millions and helped you develop, and to the fans that have supported you.
But he does have a severe mental illness I suppose, so I guess we should cut him some slack.