According to Tim MacMahon, Luka came into the season weighing 260 pounds while Zion weighed 330 pounds

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Re: According to Tim MacMahon, Luka came into the season weighing 260 pounds while Zion weighed 330 pounds 

Post#161 » by dhsilv2 » Sat Dec 11, 2021 2:27 pm

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To be fair in the weight lifting world, that's not even all that ripped. For basketball that's great and for normal people, WOW. But he's not even THAT lean there.

to be fair, this guy pretty much runs the weightlifting world, and he's not even all that ripped

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This is Lasha Talakhadze, best powerlifter of all time probably. He is 6ft6 and 400lbs.


What am I missing? I can't find where he's ever competed in power lifting. I can't even find him doing a max deadlift...
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Re: According to Tim MacMahon, Luka came into the season weighing 260 pounds while Zion weighed 330 pounds 

Post#162 » by Meat » Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:13 pm

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Powerlifters are almost never ripped

that's not a powerlifter, that's not even one of the 3 power lifts pictured there


Powerlifter, lifting for strength. Same deal

Football And basketball
Both use ball, same thing
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Post#163 » by 510TWSS » Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:21 pm

Man, both these boys know how to EAT!
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Re: According to Tim MacMahon, Luka came into the season weighing 260 pounds while Zion weighed 330 pounds 

Post#164 » by dhsilv2 » Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:37 pm

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Meat wrote:that's not a powerlifter, that's not even one of the 3 power lifts pictured there


Powerlifter, lifting for strength. Same deal

Football And basketball
Both use ball, same thing


lol, can't believe someone would reference a sport, powerlifting, as "lifting for strength". WTF?
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Re: According to Tim MacMahon, Luka came into the season weighing 260 pounds while Zion weighed 330 pounds 

Post#165 » by dhsilv2 » Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:43 pm

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Powerlifters are almost never ripped

that's not a powerlifter, that's not even one of the 3 power lifts pictured there


Powerlifter, lifting for strength. Same deal


Powerlifting is a SPORT. So no it's not "lifting for strength". The guy you posted is an olympic lifter, which are some of the most TECHNICAL and not just raw strength lifts out there. This not to be confused with Strongman which is a different sport as well.

Next you'll try and say since soccer, rugby, and grid iron are all versions of football, it's all the same thing.
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Re: According to Tim MacMahon, Luka came into the season weighing 260 pounds while Zion weighed 330 pounds 

Post#166 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:53 pm

not sure why we need to bully a guy for not being overly familiar with the specifics of competitive weightlifting. His larger point being really strong dudes aren't always shredded is obviously true.

Feels like we've drifted way off course from Zion/Luka at this point.
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Re: According to Tim MacMahon, Luka came into the season weighing 260 pounds while Zion weighed 330 pounds 

Post#167 » by Mavrelous » Sat Dec 11, 2021 8:56 pm

Strong dude shouldn't be ripped, you sacrifice strength to maintain sub-10% body fat, it's very rare for powerlifter to be ripped, I haven't seen Olympic weight lifter who is ripped..
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Re: According to Tim MacMahon, Luka came into the season weighing 260 pounds while Zion weighed 330 pounds 

Post#169 » by Meat » Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:01 am

KhalilS wrote:Strong dude shouldn't be ripped, you sacrifice strength to maintain sub-10% body fat, it's very rare for powerlifter to be ripped, I haven't seen Olympic weight lifter who is ripped..

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Re: According to Tim MacMahon, Luka came into the season weighing 260 pounds while Zion weighed 330 pounds 

Post#170 » by Alonzo_Morning » Sun Dec 12, 2021 2:30 am

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Meat wrote:that's not a powerlifter, that's not even one of the 3 power lifts pictured there


Powerlifter, lifting for strength. Same deal


Powerlifting is a SPORT. So no it's not "lifting for strength". The guy you posted is an olympic lifter, which are some of the most TECHNICAL and not just raw strength lifts out there. This not to be confused with Strongman which is a different sport as well.

Next you'll try and say since soccer, rugby, and grid iron are all versions of football, it's all the same thing.


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Re: According to Tim MacMahon, Luka came into the season weighing 260 pounds while Zion weighed 330 pounds 

Post#171 » by Alonzo_Morning » Sun Dec 12, 2021 2:32 am

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Powerlifter, lifting for strength. Same deal

Football And basketball
Both use ball, same thing


lol, can't believe someone would reference a sport, powerlifting, as "lifting for strength". WTF?


You're either a bodybuilder or you lift for strength ie. super low reps. It's not rocket surgery
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Re: According to Tim MacMahon, Luka came into the season weighing 260 pounds while Zion weighed 330 pounds 

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Meat wrote:Football And basketball
Both use ball, same thing


lol, can't believe someone would reference a sport, powerlifting, as "lifting for strength". WTF?


You're either a bodybuilder or you lift for strength ie. super low reps. It's not rocket surgery


This is just complete BS. The training for powerlifting, strongman, or Olympic lifting are completely different. This is exactly like saying Grid Iron Football and Soccer are the same thing as they're both forms for "football".
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Re: According to Tim MacMahon, Luka came into the season weighing 260 pounds while Zion weighed 330 pounds 

Post#173 » by dhsilv2 » Sun Dec 12, 2021 6:16 am

Texas Chuck wrote:not sure why we need to bully a guy for not being overly familiar with the specifics of competitive weightlifting. His larger point being really strong dudes aren't always shredded is obviously true.

Feels like we've drifted way off course from Zion/Luka at this point.


That point is also mostly false outside of the highest weight classes.

But trying to compare olympic lifting to powerlifting is pretty astonishingly ignorant.
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Re: According to Tim MacMahon, Luka came into the season weighing 260 pounds while Zion weighed 330 pounds 

Post#174 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Dec 12, 2021 1:43 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:not sure why we need to bully a guy for not being overly familiar with the specifics of competitive weightlifting. His larger point being really strong dudes aren't always shredded is obviously true.

Feels like we've drifted way off course from Zion/Luka at this point.


That point is also mostly false outside of the highest weight classes.

But trying to compare olympic lifting to powerlifting is pretty astonishingly ignorant.


How is the point that really strong dudes aren't always shredded false? Look at offensive lineman in football, look at farmers, dad strength, etc...

I'm accepting your position on competitive weightlifters. I too am fairly ignorant about that world. Though I feel zero shame about it. I'm sure there are some topics I know a ton and you don't and you should feel no shame about that.

But you can be very strong and have little in the way of definition. This is a true statement. And it applies to both Zion and especially Luka(Zion is more defined). They have effective basketball strength which they use to their advantage offensively to tremendous effect.

Now would they both benefit from weight loss? Definitely. Would help with stamina, defense, longevity. Might even help them offensively as long as they don't lose too much of that strength.

But just think it odd this focus on competitive weightlifting and the need to mock those who aren't immersed in it. Just educate us.
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Re: According to Tim MacMahon, Luka came into the season weighing 260 pounds while Zion weighed 330 pounds 

Post#175 » by DroseReturnChi » Sun Dec 12, 2021 1:46 pm

510TWSS wrote:Man, both these boys know how to EAT!


zion might eat literally everything hes to the point unplayable. lukas not on his level.
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Re: According to Tim MacMahon, Luka came into the season weighing 260 pounds while Zion weighed 330 pounds 

Post#176 » by DroseReturnChi » Sun Dec 12, 2021 1:49 pm

onedayattatime wrote:to put this into perspective: zion, a 6'6" forward, is at shaq's playing weight.


pretty crazy people still defend zion and use powerlifters who dont even play remotely the same sport.
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Re: According to Tim MacMahon, Luka came into the season weighing 260 pounds while Zion weighed 330 pounds 

Post#177 » by Klayforspicy » Sun Dec 12, 2021 2:11 pm

People look at weight and automatically assume overeating, ignoring anatomy and genetic makeup. Zion's case looks like its thyroid related
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Nice pass. Unfortunate he rolled his ankle. Doing more sports than my college yrs
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Re: According to Tim MacMahon, Luka came into the season weighing 260 pounds while Zion weighed 330 pounds 

Post#179 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:09 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:not sure why we need to bully a guy for not being overly familiar with the specifics of competitive weightlifting. His larger point being really strong dudes aren't always shredded is obviously true.

Feels like we've drifted way off course from Zion/Luka at this point.


That point is also mostly false outside of the highest weight classes.

But trying to compare olympic lifting to powerlifting is pretty astonishingly ignorant.


How is the point that really strong dudes aren't always shredded false? Look at offensive lineman in football, look at farmers, dad strength, etc...

I'm accepting your position on competitive weightlifters. I too am fairly ignorant about that world. Though I feel zero shame about it. I'm sure there are some topics I know a ton and you don't and you should feel no shame about that.

But you can be very strong and have little in the way of definition. This is a true statement. And it applies to both Zion and especially Luka(Zion is more defined). They have effective basketball strength which they use to their advantage offensively to tremendous effect.

Now would they both benefit from weight loss? Definitely. Would help with stamina, defense, longevity. Might even help them offensively as long as they don't lose too much of that strength.

But just think it odd this focus on competitive weightlifting and the need to mock those who aren't immersed in it. Just educate us.


This discussion stims from point out that in the weight lifting world, most of those guys when they use terms like shredded are on a different level. Most elite strength athletes (farmers? Dad strength????) outside of your top weight classes are absolutely shredded. You aren't competing at 198 with 5 extra pounds of flab on you. Sure if you want to be the strongest human being alive, you'll care a lot less about having a few more pounds of flab on you...but do you think there are more guys competing at 200 or 300?

As for knowing more or less about topics, it's perfectly fine to not know much about a great many things. But if you're going to interject (not directing this at you), it isn't much to expect people to know the difference in olympic lifting and powerlifting. Just like I can't tell you the rules of rugby, but I know ruby players aren't soccer players.
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