2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 4)

[MrBigShot]

Especially with Grant out. 21 assists in the last 2. Tonight Miami doubled him out at the 3-point line whenever he got the ball and sent a 3rd defender if he got in the lane. Only took 4 shots but just looked to make the right pass and not worry about getting his (And got the W). Crazy maturity for a guy his age.

crazy part is he won't get any recognition for teams literally game planning to stop him, he'll just get knocked for scoring four points. meanwhile other rookies are getting praised for playing well while being like the 3rd/4th option on their teams.

Yup. Cade receives more defensive attention than any rookie rn and it's not even close. No other rookie is getting doubled after crossing half court.

[bkseven]

Any reason why Cade only took 4 shots today?

Doubled and tripled team, which commentators mentioned all game

[God Squad]

Any reason why Cade only took 4 shots today?

Doubled and tripled team, which commentators mentioned all game

Ahh. But still only 4? He's not the first player to be double teamed. I do like the assists, so clearly he was quick passing the ball when the double came.

[bkseven]

Any reason why Cade only took 4 shots today?

Doubled and tripled team, which commentators mentioned all game

Ahh. But still only 4? He's not the first player to be double teamed. I do like the assists, so clearly he was quick passing the ball when the double came.

Triple teamed as well.

He’s just a team first player. The other guys were shooting well and the team ended up winning

[Got Nuffin]

If we're going purely by stats/raw numbers, Barnes is the clear ROTY at this point. He's not running away with it, but he's definitely leading the pack right now.

Yeah Scottie has definitely taken the lead on my board.
Him and Mobley are still pretty close. Cade & Wagner have been balling as well.
These 4 guys have separated themselves from the rest of the pack IMO.

For me right now it's:
1. Scottie
2. Mobley
3. Wagner
4. Cade
5. Giddey (Although, a lot of the chatter about him has really tapered off recently)

Green and Suggs have been pretty dismal from an efficiency stand point. Sometimes I wonder how our fan base would've handled drafting Suggs over Barnes, knowing what we know now. Truly franchise altering.

Suicide watch and calling for Masais head Much like 90% of of the Raptor’s board was immediately after NOT drafting him.

Suggs still has a lot of time to turn it around this season but yeah, a guard with both a shaky shot and shaky handles.. It’s not awfully promising atm.

[orlando_joe]

Especially with Grant out. 21 assists in the last 2. Tonight Miami doubled him out at the 3-point line whenever he got the ball and sent a 3rd defender if he got in the lane. Only took 4 shots but just looked to make the right pass and not worry about getting his (And got the W). Crazy maturity for a guy his age.

crazy part is he won't get any recognition for teams literally game planning to stop him, he'll just get knocked for scoring four points. meanwhile other rookies are getting praised for playing well while being like the 3rd/4th option on their teams.

they are planning for franz right now for sure heat played him same way..so did nets picked him up full court..

[basketballRob]

Giddey and Franz both have 2.1 assists to turnover ratio.

Barnes, Mobley, and Cunningham all are less than a 2 to 1 ratio.

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[Gasolina]

Cade is dispelling a lot of the fears surrounding his playmaking. I was skeptical of the claim that he had a poor assist/turnover ratio because of his college teammates, but he’s demonstrating great playmaking ability with some lower-end NBA guys on his roster. Reminding everyone why he was the #1 pick.

[Gasolina]

Giddey and Franz both have a 2.1 assists to turnover ratio.

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Impressive for sure. I think Barnes will join them as well if he keeps getting opportunities to run halfcourt offense. I watched some of his plays from Toronto’s last game and he’s truly special as a passer as well. I don’t know if Cade will get there by the end of the year given his high usage will lead to turnovers - although that makes Franz’ efficiency even more impressive.

[Vampirate]

Giddey and Franz both have 2.1 assists to turnover ratio.

Barnes, Mobley, and Cunningham all are less than a 2 to 1 ratio.

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Barnes is heading in that direction, Mobley's value is mostly defense, Cade always had TO issues.

[Vampirate]

Cade is dispelling a lot of the fears surrounding his playmaking. I was skeptical of the claim that he had a poor assist/turnover ratio because of his college teammates, but he’s demonstrating great playmaking ability with some lower-end NBA guys on his roster. Reminding everyone why he was the #1 pick.

Cade's issues are still there though in his TOs, it's the one glaring hole in his game. He'll be a fine shooter, rebounder, passer and defender, but his TO issue will limit his impact until he gets that straightened out.

[Duke4life831]

Cade's last 9 games:
20/5/5 with 2 steals and 1 block on 47/45/80 shooting (58 TS%)

That is a pretty damn good stretch of games.

[Vampirate]

Keep an eye on Kuminga. If he starts getting consistent rotation minutes as Draymond's backup he'll show flashes of brilliance and climb the rookie ladder quickly.

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He looked good last night. Incredible explosiveness on his first step. His defense was pretty bad but he has a great mentor in Draymond. Could be a really interesting player as an oversized 2 tbh.

Have you watched much JK? His defense is probably the strongest pillar of his game right now. Great instincts to go along with elite physical tools, and he can legitimately handle 1-5.

He's definitely a forward who is getting spot minutes as the 5 in the Warriors system, since the 4/5 is so fluid for them. The scoring, while sometimes flashy, has a long way to go. But the tools are there, he just needs more game experience.

Kuminga seriously needs to improve his overall shooting (he's good out to 10 feet so there's hope), rebounding and passing (it's not pretty here).

Great at getting to the rack but that's the only area that stands out.

His defense is probably fine for the role he plays on the team.

[basketballRob]

Franz last 10 games.


https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/franz-wagner-stats-last-10-games

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[reanimator]

Cade is dispelling a lot of the fears surrounding his playmaking. I was skeptical of the claim that he had a poor assist/turnover ratio because of his college teammates, but he’s demonstrating great playmaking ability with some lower-end NBA guys on his roster. Reminding everyone why he was the #1 pick.

Cade's issues are still there though in his TOs, it's the one glaring hole in his game. He'll be a fine shooter, rebounder, passer and defender, but his TO issue will limit his impact until he gets that straightened out.

IMO Its a bit too early to say it's something inherent with Cade's game rather than the role he is in being a lot to handle for a rookie. If in year 2 this persist then absolutely hammer him.

Currently, only Giddey has similar metrics when looking at usage/unassisted scoring/time of possession/PnR handling in total...basically things that could encourage TOs.... and he is excelling as a special passer. Everyone else either does not create their own offense or have the ball in their hands enough.

[Vampirate]

Cade is dispelling a lot of the fears surrounding his playmaking. I was skeptical of the claim that he had a poor assist/turnover ratio because of his college teammates, but he’s demonstrating great playmaking ability with some lower-end NBA guys on his roster. Reminding everyone why he was the #1 pick.

Cade's issues are still there though in his TOs, it's the one glaring hole in his game. He'll be a fine shooter, rebounder, passer and defender, but his TO issue will limit his impact until he gets that straightened out.

IMO Its a bit too early to say it's something inherent with Cade's game rather than the role he is in being a lot to handle for a rookie. If in year 2 this persist then absolutely hammer him.

This isn't a new thing though, he's been turnover prone since college so the criticism is absolutely fair.



It's a flaw in his game right now and he'll need to address it in the offseason.

[mediocrityrules]

Giddey 11.5/7.1/6.8 in his last 10 games.

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[basketballRob]

Hopefully, Suggs comes back soon.

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Not sure where they get their stats. Plus rookie standings have never been based on the team's record.

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Not sure what you're tryna get at. But not surprised to see you tryna discredit Barnes (once again). You're probably one of the biggest Barnes haters on this forum. It's all good though, you do you.