Steph Curry: "2017 Warriors would win in 6 against the 96 Bulls"

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Would the 2017 Warriors win against the 96 Bulls?

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Re: Steph Curry: "2017 Warriors would win in 6 against the 96 Bulls" 

Post#161 » by Larry_Russell » Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:45 am

TheLand13 wrote:I don't want to hear anyone ever complaining about LeBron stans ever again. The fact that this poll is even close is sad, and some of the arguments here for why the Bulls would be able to beat the Warriors are just coma inducing due to laughter. I mean, look at this post.

Larry_Russell wrote:Some of the things I have seen posted was

1) Bulls wouoldnt play in this era because they didnt shoot the three and wasnt good at it.

Kerr 51% on 3 attempts
Buchler 45% on 1.,5 per
Jordan 42% on 3.5
Kukoc 40% on 3
Scottie 37.5 on 5.5


Yeah, and you know why? Because the three point line was shortened that season. There's a reason they didn't come close to matching those same kind of percentages the following season.

Unless you were able to match the Warriors in terms of offense (and that simply is not going to happen with a team that thrives on three point shooting and pace), you weren't going to beat them, period. The only time we saw a team come close to beating them was when Houston was able to almost replicate it with their style of play and unique personal that was a problem for Golden State to deal with. It's very hard to do and not every team can do it.

Larry_Russell wrote:2) The Defense of the Warriors that year was 18th in the league @107.6. Not great. Bulls was number 1 @101.8
Bulls had 3 of the greatest defenders of all time.


Buddy, the Warriors in 2017 were an excellent defensive team. Their opponents PPG was that high due to the pace they played, not because of they weren't great at that end. In terms of actual defensive rating (funny that you conveniently left that out), they were 2nd in the league. They were absolutely loaded in that regard, and would definitely give the Bulls some problems at that end. They were stock piled with multiple lengthy and versatile defensive players who were elite in that regard. They were a nightmare to score on.

Larry_Russell wrote:Curry would not be shooting over mike


Have you ever watched a single Stephen Curry game in your life?

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Michael Jordan is one of the greatest one on one defenders of all time, but expecting him to be able to keep Curry in check is laughable. Curry would have some trouble, but the thing is, if you put Jordan on Curry, then that opens up Klay to just pick apart Harper. The only one who can realistically stay attached to Klay is Jordan. So Phil would most likely just have the players guard their respective positions and leave it at that.

Larry_Russell wrote:Klay with Scottie and Rodman would be all over Durant. Durant would not be able to deal with the physicality that Rodman would have brought.


Lmao.

First off, Dennis Rodman would not be guarding Kevin Durant. Durant's far too tall and lengthy of a player for Rodman to have any realistic impact on in terms of his shooting ability. And even if he did, that would mean that Rodman is being kept away from the paint, thus giving the Warriors potential rebounds that he would normally feast on. This would put the Bulls at a severe disadvantage, as their elite rebounding was one of the main keys to their success. If you put Rodman on Durant, a 4-0 sweep for the Warriors doesn't just become a possibility, but it becomes the most likely outcome.

Second, I thought where you were going with this was that Harper would be the one guarding Klay, not Pippen. Pippen would have a lot of trouble following Thompson around the floor. I'm not denying Pippen's excellent defense, but you can't expect him to cover that much ground. This is Klay Thompson we are talking about here. The guy is a genius off the ball. You will want someone who has the athleticism and defensive IQ that can keep up with him as he looks for his spots. That player is Jordan, not Pippen. Pippen was much better suited in a help defense role. To guard Thompson requires you to be glued to him constantly.

Odds are, in this scenario, Ron Harper would be tasked with guarding Curry, while Jordan would be tasked with Klay and Pippen would be the one guarding Durant. Pippen is the only one who has the size and length to make Durant work harder for his shots. And even then, Durant is still going to get his points. Rodman would be guarding Draymond, and while you might think that's a waste of Rodman as a defender, it's actually the best spot to put him at. Rodman was excellent at getting in opponents heads, and out of all the people on the Warriors, Draymond is the easiest to piss off. That's the one legitimate matchup advantage the Bulls would have in this series.

Otherwise though, this is not looking good at all for the Bulls.

Larry_Russell wrote:3) Offense
GSW had the number 3 ranked offense @ 113.6
Bulls #1 @115.2. Bulls had the better, more efficient offense. GSW played with a higher pace, that was it. But when teams score, your pace goes down because the team that scores has a chance to set up the defense.,


I can't. I just can't with arguments like this. You are now trying to compare ranked offenses that are almost 20 years apart to determine which one is better offensively. I guess by that logic, the 2009 Cavaliers were a better defensive team than any of the first three peat Bulls.

Larry_Russell wrote:And a team like the bulls scored on more possessions than the Warriors, meaning that some of the greatest defenders of all time had a chance to get set before Curry/Klay/Durant could get running.


I honestly don't know why I'm bothering at this point. Do you really think this is how basketball works? That it's just something as simple as "the Bulls scored on more possessions in a different era, so in this particular matchup it would play out the same way"?[/quote]

Thats alot of typing and not a sensible thought in any of it.

Rodman guarded 1-5
Scottie guarded 1-5
Jordan would gladly take the challenge of curry and curry would not get anything going.


You act like jordan couldnt defend or that curry is the greatest offensive player if all time.

Just nonsense.

Bulls win in 5.
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Re: Steph Curry: "2017 Warriors would win in 6 against the 96 Bulls" 

Post#162 » by rtiff68 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:57 am

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rtiff68 wrote:Here is why I consider these discussions pointless...

People who seriously believe that a top team from the '90's could hop out of a time machine and take on a top team from 20+ years later are out of their minds. Sports, athletes, medicine, sports-science, etc. all evolve over time, and new generations build upon the groundwork laid by past generations.

If you put the dynastic '60's Celtics with Russell, Hondo, Cousy, etc. in a time machine and put them in a 7 game series against the '80's Celtics or Lakers, the former would get steamrolled.

If you put the dynastic '96 Bulls in a time machine and put them in a 7 game series against the 2017 Warriors, the Bulls would get absolutely mauled, and if you really believe differently you are being completely unrealistic.

If all of the players on all of the aforementioned teams all grew up in the same era...who in the hell knows how that would shake out? There are so many variables in that scenario that making an intelligent prediction is basically impossible.

Based upon all of the above, the only way we can reliably judge players/teams is by comparing them to their peers. When we do that, the '96 Bulls still have a solid case for the best team of all time. I don't necessarily agree, but it's an easy case to make...

...but stop with the hypothetical match-ups and trying to break down how a team could leap decades into the future and beat the crap out of the best of the best in that time period.

It's ridiculous.


its not that big of a gap. theres literally players still in the NBA right now that played against Karl Malone. We're a year removed from Vince Carter who played against MJ himself and had Hakeem Olajuwon as a teammate. The game has changed but not as much as you think. The mid 90s weren't the 50s lol. Tim Grover was MJs guy and he's still training NBA players today


Watch a game from the ‘96 Finals, then watch a game from the 2017 Finals. I’ve actually done this recently because I watch a lot of classic games rather than bad TV.

Watch a game from each: pay attention to how they defend, who can score and who can’t, and see if you have the same opinion.
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Re: Steph Curry: "2017 Warriors would win in 6 against the 96 Bulls" 

Post#163 » by rtiff68 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:03 am

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rtiff68 wrote:People who seriously believe that a top team from the '90's could hop out of a time machine and take on a top team from 20+ years later are out of their minds.


i remember the 90's. players were smoking cigarettes on the bench, hardly anyone lifted weights, nobody knew what vegetables were. teams played these guys into the ground and by the time the playoffs arrived everyone was tired and worn down. modern nba players have teams of scientists honing their bodies and conditioning.


No, the difference is not that extreme— nice try at using hyperbole, though.

What I’m saying isn’t hyperbolic. Some individual players could transcend eras, but teams? You’re being ridiculous.

How about the NFL? I bet Lombardi’s Packers would beat the current Packers, right?

Too extreme?

Do you think the “Steel Curtain” Steelers of the ‘70’s wouldn’t get boat-raced by the best offenses of the late ‘90’s?

Good Lord.
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Re: Steph Curry: "2017 Warriors would win in 6 against the 96 Bulls" 

Post#164 » by Lalouie » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:04 am

the best teams were the magic and bird teams.

the 96 bulls would be merely a test to see if the 17gsw is worthy.
curry/gsw ought to know full well that a season w/l don't mean JACK in the end
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Re: Steph Curry: "2017 Warriors would win in 6 against the 96 Bulls" 

Post#165 » by Finchination33 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:13 am

2017 Warriors is the best team of all time. It had referring you want in an all time great team. Amazing offence, defence and chemistry, awesome role players who played their role to a tee and maybe the biggest factor, the 2017 Warriors were a team motivated by revenge from the prior year. That team would have won the title without KD.

Warriors in 4-5 against pretty much any team from history.

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Post#166 » by Leto » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:21 am

mademan wrote:I don’t think the bulls have the personnel to be able to shoot a high volume of 3s at a decent percentage and I just don’t think you can be successful playing non optimal ball against a team playing to the analytics. You’re not winning 2s vs 3s against competent competitor.

I’ll take it a step further and say they wouldn’t stand a chance. They’d get pummelled by the 2017 cavs who shot like 30 3s a game too


This fundamentally misunderstands the Bulls strength. Those Bulls teams won because they would just hold teams down. Teams got smothered and simply could not score from 3 or from two. Bulls in 5.
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Re: Steph Curry: "2017 Warriors would win in 6 against the 96 Bulls" 

Post#167 » by Antinomy » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:37 am

The fact that the Bulls are winning this poll is an indictment on this forum & basketball as a whole.

An entire generation of basketball fans have been fed a myth about Jordan & the 90s.

Kinda sad actually.
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Post#168 » by alebaba » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:44 am

Antinomy wrote:The fact that the Bulls are winning this poll is an indictment on this forum & basketball as a whole.

An entire generation of basketball fans have been fed a myth about Jordan & the 90s.

Kinda sad actually.


Show how much little you know about basketball. :crazy: The Rockets literally took that same team to game 7, and cp3 was out for game 6 and 7

The bulls in 6, they match up perfectly against them.
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Post#169 » by Sark » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:03 am

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rtiff68 wrote:People who seriously believe that a top team from the '90's could hop out of a time machine and take on a top team from 20+ years later are out of their minds.


i remember the 90's. players were smoking cigarettes on the bench, hardly anyone lifted weights, nobody knew what vegetables were. teams played these guys into the ground and by the time the playoffs arrived everyone was tired and worn down. modern nba players have teams of scientists honing their bodies and conditioning.



You're thinking of the 1950s. Nobody was smoking cigarettes on the bench in the 90s. The fitness revolution started in the 60s. By the 80s there were multiple gyms in every neighborhood. Honestly the players probably were more into fitness in the 90s than they are now. Today the players spend all their time playing video games and streaming on Twitch.
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Re: Steph Curry: "2017 Warriors would win in 6 against the 96 Bulls" 

Post#170 » by KembaWalker » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:10 am

Antinomy wrote:The fact that the Bulls are winning this poll is an indictment on this forum & basketball as a whole.

An entire generation of basketball fans have been fed a myth about Jordan & the 90s.

Kinda sad actually.


It's funnier to see the actual most bitter people are the millennial kids that didn't get to see Jordan play. Which I guarantee you are.
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Re: Steph Curry: "2017 Warriors would win in 6 against the 96 Bulls" 

Post#171 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:16 am

I don't ever like being the, "they're playing two different games" guy, but it's true in this case.

Move the '96 Bulls to today's game and they're getting killed by the '17 Warriors. Any contender is going to destroy them because of the Bulls lack of playable guys on offense.
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Post#172 » by Pablo Escobar » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:30 am

Jordan in 7.
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Post#173 » by ccvle » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:36 am

KembaWalker wrote:
Antinomy wrote:The fact that the Bulls are winning this poll is an indictment on this forum & basketball as a whole.

An entire generation of basketball fans have been fed a myth about Jordan & the 90s.

Kinda sad actually.


It's funnier to see the actual most bitter people are the millennial kids that didn't get to see Jordan play. Which I guarantee you are.


No. what is funny is people actually think the bulls would actually shut down Durant, klay and curry. Elite offense is always going to find a way to score over the course of a 7 game series. Just like no body is going to shut down or slow down Jordan. No body is going to slow down Durant or Curry.

The bulls always came out on top, because teams were constructed differently with just one superstar scorer. The game plan was simply limit Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Reggie Miller, etc so when the game was close, it was basically Jordan vs Miller, or Jordan vs Malone or Jordan vs Ewing. No offense to Jordan but I just can't see the bulls having enough offense to counter Durant , klay and curry.
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Re: Steph Curry: "2017 Warriors would win in 6 against the 96 Bulls" 

Post#174 » by TheLand13 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:42 am

Larry_Russell wrote:Thats alot of typing and not a sensible thought in any of it.

Rodman guarded 1-5


:lol: I don't care what positions he's guarded. Kevin Durant is a 7 foot 3 point shooting forward. Rodman never deals with those kinds of players and there's a reason for that. He prefers to stay down in the paint where he can help on the boards and guard the paint. I'm getting the feeling you've never watched Rodman ever play a game in your life.

Larry_Russell wrote:Scottie guarded 1-5


Yeah, now tell me, how did guarding Reggie Miller go for Scottie Pippen go? EDIT: Oof. Never doing these long posts late at night again.

I'll tell you that for you. It didn't go well. Now imagine him trying to guard someone like that on steroids.

That's not Pippen's strong suit on defense. Chasing around a guy who is working on finding his shot through off the ball movement has never been Pippen's strong suit. Ever. Durant doesn't operate like that. He plays a more stationary type of offense. That's much better for Pippen's style of play on defense.

Larry_Russell wrote:Jordan would gladly take the challenge of curry and curry would not get anything going.


You have literally nothing to go off of to suggest that Curry wouldn't be able to do the same thing he's done to literally any other person who tried guarding him for an entire series: It never goes well. You are basing your entire argument on the assumption that because Jordan guarded the players of his time so well, he's going to suddenly be able to guard a player the likes of which he has never seen or play against before at any point in his career. And that's not an exaggeration.

Larry_Russell wrote:You act like jordan couldnt defend or that curry is the greatest offensive player if all time.


This might be the most idiotic thing you've said in your post. When did I ever once act like Jordan couldn't defend? Hell, I straight up said "Jordan is one of the greatest one on one defenders of all time". In what universe does being unable to consistently guard Stephen Curry mean you aren't a good defender? We're talking about a guy who at his best averaged 30 PPG on 50/45/90 on over 400 three pointers in an entire season.

Jordan isn't stopping that. He'll slow him down and make him have to work a lot harder for his shots, but Curry is still going to be productive.

And btw, Curry is absolutely one of the greatest offensive players of all time, to the point where it's arguable. He's definitely the greatest shooter of all time. Why is the idea of him being the greatest offensive player of all time a stretch? It's a much better argument to make than arguing that the 96 Bulls would beat the 17 Warriors.

Larry_Russell wrote:Just nonsense.

Bulls win in 5.


Again, I am going to reference this every single team someone wants to take a shot at LeBron stans. This is one of the most laughable statements I've ever seen.
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Post#175 » by Antinomy » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:45 am

alebaba wrote:
Antinomy wrote:The fact that the Bulls are winning this poll is an indictment on this forum & basketball as a whole.

An entire generation of basketball fans have been fed a myth about Jordan & the 90s.

Kinda sad actually.


Show how much little you know about basketball. :crazy: The Rockets literally took that same team to game 7, and cp3 was out for game 6 and 7

The bulls in 6, they match up perfectly against them.


No they don’t.

2017 Warriors have 4 HoFs in their prime, an elite defensive team & are the greatest shooting team of All-Time.

The 2018 GS team is not the same as the 2017 team. This is a trick many of you guys keep trying to pull.

The Rockets were a team that all but removed mid-rangers, maximized spacing & shot a million 3 pointers. Why are you even trying to compare them to the Bulls?

I could easily say Reggie Miller’s Pacers took Jordan’s Bulls to 7 but I’m sure you’d find an excuse for that. Did the 96 Sonics not also take the Bulls to 6?

Guys like Rodman, Harper, & Longley would be massive liabilities offensively. Rodman was already becoming a liability by the latter part of the 3-peat.

It’s not even like the Bulls have a dominant big to take advantage of GS size.

Even shooters like Kerr & Buechler would be massive liabilities defensively, couldn’t reliably switch & would be targeted mercilessly. It would be even worse in the 90s due to illegal defense rules.

Why do people think that the “added physically” wouldn’t apply to the Warriors too? All of GS defenders would benefit from being allowed to be more physical.

Surely Iggy, Dray, Livingston, Klay & KD couldn’t do ANY worse than guys like Byron Russell, Hornacek, Schempf & Hawkins did.

We saw what Payton did to him. And that was without zone defense being allowed.

They have no reliable matchup for Curry — he’d torch them just like Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf did. KD would be like nothing they’d ever seen before.

It makes me really think most guys here don’t understand basketball.
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Re: Steph Curry: "2017 Warriors would win in 6 against the 96 Bulls" 

Post#176 » by TheLand13 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:46 am

alebaba wrote:
Antinomy wrote:The fact that the Bulls are winning this poll is an indictment on this forum & basketball as a whole.

An entire generation of basketball fans have been fed a myth about Jordan & the 90s.

Kinda sad actually.


Show how much little you know about basketball. :crazy: The Rockets literally took that same team to game 7, and cp3 was out for game 6 and 7

The bulls in 6, they match up perfectly against them.


Yeah, and the Rockets, like the Warriors, would rofl stomp the Bulls.

And btw, they aren't literally the same team. The 2018 Warriors were a far cry from the 2017 Warriors. Much less defensive effort, multitude of injuries and inconsistencies in regards to the lineups, and less depth.
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Post#177 » by raptor jesus » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:54 am

Pretty soft of Curry to give the Bulls 2 games. That right there is why the Bulls would win. You think Jordan's giving the Warriors even a single game in a hypothetical scenario? No way!
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Post#178 » by BigGargamel » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:00 am

This is fun to think about but Jordan just does not lose NBA Finals matchups. I wouldn't bet against the 96 Bulls vs. any team in NBA history.
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Post#179 » by Flopper » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:06 am

It's not a controversial take at all. That 2017 team was stacked and the league is just more talented as a whole than it was 20 years prior in the dynasty Bulls era. People used to have the same arguments about the Bulls and 60's Celtics and the Bulls were objectively the better team for the same reason the Warriors are now; players are constantly innovating and getting better as they build off of previous generations and are pulled from a much bigger recruitment pool as the game expands around the world.
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Re: Steph Curry: "2017 Warriors would win in 6 against the 96 Bulls" 

Post#180 » by rtiff68 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:07 am

Lalouie wrote:the best teams were the magic and bird teams.

the 96 bulls would be merely a test to see if the 17gsw is worthy.
curry/gsw ought to know full well that a season w/l don't mean JACK in the end
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