Wiggins just ended Doncic's life

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Re: I’ll just leave this here.. 

Post#161 » by soxfan2003 » Mon May 23, 2022 3:23 pm

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You've actually watched these playoffs and believe that Wiggins is a huge disappointment? :crazy:

He hopes Golden State losses every time and is the most hilariously bitter ex moderator on here, so I'm not surprised he's caught in his feelings especially tonight. :lol:


It's like Shaq and Chuck said he was supposed to be the Luka Doncic, the LeBron, the Kevin Durant for Cleveland/Minnesota and now he gets to be the Andrew Bogut.

Pure Wiggins fans should be disappointed that he's just a 4th option on a team benefitting from Curry's gravity instead of leading a team into the playoffs. He's basically a less extreme version of Kevin Durant.


Barkley I like more than I dislike in terms of his personality but after Wiggins got drafted, he was not supposed to be that good. If he was supposed to be that good he is not traded with a first round pick for Kevin Love who no one had illusions about at that time. Most NBA teams/GM's polled said they would take Jabari Parker 1st. Embiid would have easily gone first if he hadn't gotten hurt.

Before the college season, Wiggins was hyped but most sane people were like potential NBA major star but not a sure thing and certainly not Jordan/Lebron.

Crazy thing is if that draft went how people expected and there was no trades, Wiggins probably playing with Giannis.
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Re: Wiggins just ended Doncic's life 

Post#162 » by lonzo_pelota » Mon May 23, 2022 3:24 pm

Never thought wiggins would be the one to baptize doncic on the big stage , gotta luv playoff basketball that dunk is forever.
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Re: Wiggins just ended Doncic's life 

Post#163 » by JHFVF07 » Mon May 23, 2022 3:29 pm

Man, THAT was brutal!!!
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Re: Wiggins just ended Doncic's life 

Post#164 » by Archx » Mon May 23, 2022 3:30 pm

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Anyone ask him why he snapped his head back when Wiggins elbow brushed his throat?
Luka was eager to get out of questions for this dunk.


I challenge you to ask a friend to brush your throat with his elbow and you will probably have your answer. :) Then imagine someone coming at you will full force in mid air.
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Re: Wiggins just ended Doncic's life 

Post#165 » by random_hero891 » Mon May 23, 2022 3:33 pm

Some say you can still hear Luka's ghost arguing with refs on days jUsT LiKe tHiSsSs...
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Re: I’ll just leave this here.. 

Post#166 » by soxfan2003 » Mon May 23, 2022 3:44 pm

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multo wrote:Wiggins has been the most consistent player for the Warriors in this post season. Why are you looking at his offensive output when it's his defense and rebounding which are his main focus? He's only the 4th option on offense so I believe he's giving them a lot more than what's expected offensively. And he is delivering on both.


sure, but a player at his salary that carries the #1 pick stigma should be doing much more than playing defense & rebounding if we're going to reevaluate his "bust" status. this is a pretty low bar IMO
Saying he should be more than the fourth option on a team with one of the best offensive players ever, one of the greatest shooters ever, and the primary ball-handler on the best regular season player ever is too high of a bar.

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4th option is an unfair characterization of Wiggins game right now. My favorite player growing up was Danny Ainge who made the all-star team not even averaging many points since he was rewarded for the Celtics being such a good team and journalists probably realizing Ainge at his peak could have been averaging 20 PPG on at least half the teams in the league. When team was healthy, he peaked as around a 15-16 PPG scorer with Boston. Then Ainge at an age where most guards start declining a little over close to a season and a half averages 18.5 PPG with a bad Sacramento Kings team. And then after that despite clearly losing 1/2 step, he goes to a very good Portland team and on a PER/36 basis, averages more points than all of his seasons in Boston. Situation obviously matters so makes just as much sense to look at skillset.

The Warriors have 3 players who are more gifted than Wiggins on that end but one of them now comes off the bench. But with just a little bit slightly different makeup of the Warriors, Wiggins could easily be 2nd or 3rd best scorer on the team and Warriors winning just as much or even more. They would just be winning with more dominant defense. In fact that kind of what was happening when Klay was out and Warriors were off to a fabulous start.
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Re: Wiggins just ended Doncic's life 

Post#167 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Mon May 23, 2022 4:10 pm

I have seen a few angles now. When I first saw the dunk on Tv I assumed that there was contact even though I did not actually see contact. Some angles seem to pretty clearly show that contact did not happen.

If you know a video in which some part of Wiggins and Doncic clearly touched each other I would like to see the video.

My opinion now is that the Doncic flop was as impressive as the Wiggins dunk.

After the refs overturned the call Doncic was still acting. He was waving his arms and making “how could you not see the foul” faces.

Too bad I hate flopping and therefore don’t get to fully appreciate what a fine actor Doncic is.
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Re: I’ll just leave this here.. 

Post#168 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Mon May 23, 2022 4:18 pm

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alevirfe wrote:
sure, but a player at his salary that carries the #1 pick stigma should be doing much more than playing defense & rebounding if we're going to reevaluate his "bust" status. this is a pretty low bar IMO
Saying he should be more than the fourth option on a team with one of the best offensive players ever, one of the greatest shooters ever, and the primary ball-handler on the best regular season player ever is too high of a bar.

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4th option is an unfair characterization of Wiggins game right now. My favorite player growing up was Danny Ainge who made the all-star team not even averaging many points since he was rewarded for the Celtics being such a good team and journalists probably realizing Ainge at his peak could have been averaging 20 PPG on at least half the teams in the league. When team was healthy, he peaked as around a 15-16 PPG scorer with Boston. Then Ainge at an age where most guards start declining a little over close to a season and a half averages 18.5 PPG with a bad Sacramento Kings team. And then after that despite clearly losing 1/2 step, he goes to a very good Portland team and on a PER/36 basis, averages more points than all of his seasons in Boston. Situation obviously matters so makes just as much sense to look at skillset.

The Warriors have 3 players who are more gifted than Wiggins on that end but one of them now comes off the bench. But with just a little bit slightly different makeup of the Warriors, Wiggins could easily be 2nd or 3rd best scorer on the team and Warriors winning just as much or even more. They would just be winning with more dominant defense. In fact that kind of what was happening when Klay was out and Warriors were off to a fabulous start.


Draymond is the 2nd best Warrior despite being the 8th option. Draymond looks like he is heading to the hall of fame despite below average in the NBA in scoring and despite being an undersized power forward.

In this playoff series Dallas Wiggins is nipping at Draymond’s heels for the tittle of 2nd best Warrior in the series. Then behind Draymond and Wiggins we might have Looney possibly outplaying Klay and Poole.
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Re: Wiggins just ended Doncic's life 

Post#169 » by CobraCommander » Mon May 23, 2022 4:42 pm

DonaldSanders wrote:
C.Boshly wrote:Offensive foul



Soft.

One of the best dunks of the entire playoffs.

Kidd showing the other Mavs this dunk before Luka gets to practice
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Post#170 » by Crazy-Canuck » Mon May 23, 2022 4:45 pm

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Re: I’ll just leave this here.. 

Post#171 » by soxfan2003 » Mon May 23, 2022 4:56 pm

SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:
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Clay Davis wrote:Saying he should be more than the fourth option on a team with one of the best offensive players ever, one of the greatest shooters ever, and the primary ball-handler on the best regular season player ever is too high of a bar.

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4th option is an unfair characterization of Wiggins game right now. My favorite player growing up was Danny Ainge who made the all-star team not even averaging many points since he was rewarded for the Celtics being such a good team and journalists probably realizing Ainge at his peak could have been averaging 20 PPG on at least half the teams in the league. When team was healthy, he peaked as around a 15-16 PPG scorer with Boston. Then Ainge at an age where most guards start declining a little over close to a season and a half averages 18.5 PPG with a bad Sacramento Kings team. And then after that despite clearly losing 1/2 step, he goes to a very good Portland team and on a PER/36 basis, averages more points than all of his seasons in Boston. Situation obviously matters so makes just as much sense to look at skillset.

The Warriors have 3 players who are more gifted than Wiggins on that end but one of them now comes off the bench. But with just a little bit slightly different makeup of the Warriors, Wiggins could easily be 2nd or 3rd best scorer on the team and Warriors winning just as much or even more. They would just be winning with more dominant defense. In fact that kind of what was happening when Klay was out and Warriors were off to a fabulous start.


Draymond is the 2nd best Warrior despite being the 8th option. Draymond looks like he is heading to the hall of fame despite below average in the NBA in scoring and despite being an undersized power forward.

In this playoff series Dallas Wiggins is nipping at Draymond’s heels for the tittle of 2nd best Warrior in the series. Then behind Draymond and Wiggins we might have Looney possibly outplaying Klay and Poole.


Wiggins +66 in this series.
Green +25 this series.

Wiggins has been better than Draymond in this series. It may change in the remaining games of the series but right now it isn't even that close. Strong case can be made that Green hasn't even been the third best Warrior in this series, nevermind the 2nd best. Wiggins defense is being underrated since Doncic is doing great but some of that is just absurd plays by Doncic and others without Wiggins on him at all.

While still an excellent team defender, Draymond's role on offense right now is really just setting picks and occasionally pushing the pace on offense. In this series, Wiggins almost has as many assists and a lot less turnovers.

I'll go further and say with the way Green is playing vs Looney in this series, the Warriors best lineup for this series may be with Green off the court and not on it.
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Re: Wiggins just ended Doncic's life 

Post#172 » by gorz » Mon May 23, 2022 5:29 pm

Ruma85 wrote:
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Pachinko_ wrote:He's a good 5th player on a contender
Although Iguodala/Barnes were doing pretty much the same job for the Dubs but cheaper



Hes way better than igoudala.



At the moment, sure.




Wiggins has always been better than Iggy.. in the 1st option role(they were both not suited for) and supporting role Wiggins was always better than Iggy.
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Post#173 » by righterwriter » Mon May 23, 2022 5:46 pm

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I always love the natural reaction of the crowd and players just after a monster play like ths.
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Post#174 » by wegotthabeet » Mon May 23, 2022 5:54 pm

Wiggins play in Golden State just demonstrates how important the situation/organization is to most players overall success. They basically need to be a generational talent to overcome this.
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Re: Wiggins just ended Doncic's life 

Post#175 » by JJ_PR » Mon May 23, 2022 6:10 pm

Coxy wrote:I literally jumped outta my seat on this one, brutal!!!

Refs trying to rig it with that offensive foul call, Flopcic got found out in the end.


Flopcic. :lol:
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Post#176 » by Exp0sed » Mon May 23, 2022 6:16 pm

SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:I have seen a few angles now. When I first saw the dunk on Tv I assumed that there was contact even though I did not actually see contact. Some angles seem to pretty clearly show that contact did not happen.

If you know a video in which some part of Wiggins and Doncic clearly touched each other I would like to see the video.

My opinion now is that the Doncic flop was as impressive as the Wiggins dunk.

After the refs overturned the call Doncic was still acting. He was waving his arms and making “how could you not see the foul” faces.

Too bad I hate flopping and therefore don’t get to fully appreciate what a fine actor Doncic is.


this thread is bonkers..

"..any video in which some part of wiggins and doncic touched each other" - how about any video?

Wiggins is an unreal athlete, he can certainly dunk on Luka (or anybody else) even without fouling (albeit, it's harder that way :P)
maybe he would have completed the dunk without the foul..we'll never know because he fouled

it's true that because of entertainment value and marketing purposes - these plays are rarely called (even in cases like this when the contact clearly warrants a foul) and it's also true that Luka got this call because he's a superstar and had that same play been on Powell..no way Wiggins ever gets called in this league for that foul - that's not to say he shouldn't get called, only to say that he wouldn't have, factually

but to as far as saying there no contact at all? that's bonkers to me
Like if you said, meh he pushed him off but that's not a foul in a conf. finals ppl get away with more every other play..that's a discussion. imo it is a foul but I can see why some1 will think differently but saying there was no contact whatsoever isn't a discussion, it's simply false. srsly.. there is no contact between wiggins's off-hand and Doncic's upper body?
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Re: I’ll just leave this here.. 

Post#177 » by soxfan2003 » Mon May 23, 2022 6:20 pm

Buckeye-NBAFan wrote:The was a weird take. Wiggins and Russell were both bad players, but at least Wiggins had more athleticism/length allowing the potential for more impact off the ball, which was a better fit since on ball was the only place Russell was better than Wiggins, and that takes the ball from Curry, Green and the motion offense. Swapping Wiggins with Russell should have been seen as a wash at the time. So obviously the team that got the pick won the trade.


When it comes to winning championships with a championship caliber roster, Wiggins much better than Russell.

Russell may have been better with a bad team as the number 1 option but that buys you very little if your interested in winning championships. 2 way players are more important for championship teams than 1 players especially 1 way players that are not special on offense like an older Charles Barkley or Steve Nash.

Wiggins was a good player all along in the NBA but a good player being misused/overused turns into a below average player. It was obvious that was happening to him in MN. Wiggins deserves some blame for that but MN deserves much more blame since end of the day they controlled his minutes/usage.

Fans knocking Wiggins don't realize the negative impact of playing hurt which Wiggins did in MN at times and playing too many minutes with too big of a scoring burden all too often. Even with less than a very good fit in MN, if used correctly he would have been a good to very good player there -- just not a savior.
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Re: Wiggins just ended Doncic's life 

Post#178 » by FNQ » Mon May 23, 2022 6:25 pm

gorz wrote:
Ruma85 wrote:
gorz wrote:

Hes way better than igoudala.



At the moment, sure.




Wiggins has always been better than Iggy.. in the 1st option role(they were both not suited for) and supporting role Wiggins was always better than Iggy.


Would you mind if I quoted this for a thread on the GSW board? I'd like to know myself what the consensus is for W's fans since we've had a zoomed in look on both in the support role

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Re: Wiggins just ended Doncic's life 

Post#179 » by gorz » Mon May 23, 2022 6:31 pm

FNQ wrote:
gorz wrote:
Ruma85 wrote:

At the moment, sure.




Wiggins has always been better than Iggy.. in the 1st option role(they were both not suited for) and supporting role Wiggins was always better than Iggy.


Would you mind if I quoted this for a thread on the GSW board? I'd like to know myself what the consensus is for W's fans since we've had a zoomed in look on both in the support role

Don't want to do it if you don't want rando W's fans coming at you because god knows they will





Sure thing. I'm not visiting the warriors board anytime soon.
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Re: Wiggins just ended Doncic's life 

Post#180 » by SF_Warriors » Mon May 23, 2022 6:36 pm

righterwriter wrote:Image

I always love the natural reaction of the crowd and players just after a monster play like ths.


Dang the reactions of DFS and Brunson..they knew they had just witnessed a historic moment.

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