Biggest winners/losers of 2023 trade deadline?

[nbafan38]

Mavs were big winners. Dramatically increased their title shot w/o giving up a motherlode of assets. Suns are also winners going all in on a title as well, but they definitely gave up an eyewatering amount of assets.

Everybody else in comparison is pretty meh. Nets you can obviously call losers, but they had no choice but to blow it all up and at least they got assets back.

I'm not so sure that Dallas is a BIG winner.

They added a ton of talent, but that added talent has not been translating into playoff success.

Irving is in his 12th NBA season and has only got his team into the playoffs 6 times. He has not advanced past the 2nd round since 2016-17. In the last 6 seasons he has wallowed in controversy on underachieving teams that were disappointing playoff exits. The addictive allure of Kyrie's highlight reel talent has not brought his team any meaningful playoff success since he forced his way out of Cleveland.

Dinwiddie without Luka 0:7. Kyrie without Luka 2:0. That's all we have to know about the trade. And Green playing a class better than DFS with his minutes.

So if the Mavs have a better record in the regular season and lose in the playoffs and Kyrie leaves it was a good trade? I don't think anyone is questioning that Kyrie is a huge talent upgrade over Dinwiddie.

[Bob8]

I'm not so sure that Dallas is a BIG winner.

They added a ton of talent, but that added talent has not been translating into playoff success.

Irving is in his 12th NBA season and has only got his team into the playoffs 6 times. He has not advanced past the 2nd round since 2016-17. In the last 6 seasons he has wallowed in controversy on underachieving teams that were disappointing playoff exits. The addictive allure of Kyrie's highlight reel talent has not brought his team any meaningful playoff success since he forced his way out of Cleveland.

Dinwiddie without Luka 0:7. Kyrie without Luka 2:0. That's all we have to know about the trade. And Green playing a class better than DFS with his minutes.

So if the Mavs have a better record in the regular season and lose in the playoffs and Kyrie leaves it was a good trade? I don't think anyone is questioning that Kyrie is a huge talent upgrade over Dinwiddie.

There's a big difference between having 0 chances in playoffs or having small chances. Mavs are much better team now, because they can play without Luka on the court, which is huge. And all those insane double teaming or trapping Luka in the middle of the court is off, because you can't do that with Kyrie in the lineup.

Is Kyrie enough for the title? Probably not, but they at least can dream now.

Where will he leave? I don't know any interesting team for Kyrie to have cap space and is willing to give him long term contract. He has pretty good relationship with Kidd and Nico.

[ReddoverKobe]

For me the Bucks are losers. They really needed to get younger and they’re out of assets

Nets did good for themselves getting 5 picks from an aging phoenix squad & getting Bridges back

Toronto probably should’ve cashed in OG


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Did you just see no one else said the Bucks and decided you needed to spice it up a notch? This makes zero sense at all lol

[nbafan38]

Dinwiddie without Luka 0:7. Kyrie without Luka 2:0. That's all we have to know about the trade. And Green playing a class better than DFS with his minutes.

So if the Mavs have a better record in the regular season and lose in the playoffs and Kyrie leaves it was a good trade? I don't think anyone is questioning that Kyrie is a huge talent upgrade over Dinwiddie.

There's a big difference between having 0 chances in playoffs or having small chances. Mavs are much better team now, because they can play without Luka on the court, which is huge. And all those insane double teaming or trapping Luka in the middle of the court is off, because you can't do that with Kyrie in the lineup.

Is Kyrie enough for the title? Probably not, but they at least can dream now.

Where will he leave? I don't know any interesting team for Kyrie to have cap space and is willing to give him long term contract. He has pretty good relationship with Kidd and Nico.

I guess to the lakers would be the one threat.

[Bob8]

So if the Mavs have a better record in the regular season and lose in the playoffs and Kyrie leaves it was a good trade? I don't think anyone is questioning that Kyrie is a huge talent upgrade over Dinwiddie.

There's a big difference between having 0 chances in playoffs or having small chances. Mavs are much better team now, because they can play without Luka on the court, which is huge. And all those insane double teaming or trapping Luka in the middle of the court is off, because you can't do that with Kyrie in the lineup.

Is Kyrie enough for the title? Probably not, but they at least can dream now.

Where will he leave? I don't know any interesting team for Kyrie to have cap space and is willing to give him long term contract. He has pretty good relationship with Kidd and Nico.

I guess to the lakers would be the one threat.

Will Lakers have cap space? And are they willing to give him 200 mio, knowing that LeBron won't last much more? Cuban can pay him more than anyone else.

[Tacoma]

The Raptors willingly signing up to be an unimpactful treadmill team with almost no young players or decent picks to continue to build around moving forward is just baffling. I'm a Blazers fan so I can speak from experience this is definitely not where you want to be as a franchise.

Maybe the offers for OG Anunoby out there weren't as hot as we were lead to believe, but also not trading Fred Vanvleet who's just going to walk for nothing in the offseason was a real head-scratcher.

I don’t love that we stood pat. But almost no young players and picks ?

Barnes, Precious, Trent, Koloko, OG are all 25 and under. We traded one 1st rounder.

Bit of an exaggeration.

But the Raptors didn't stand pat. They are a rebuilding team that mortgaged their 2024 pick for an 8-yr veteran "unimpactful" center to maintain the treadmill. That's Harry's point & why they fall on the loser side of the trade deadline deals, to which I agree.

As for Toronto's young players, Barnes is the only one with all star potential and Toronto badly needs another with at least that potential. That's why (1) trading 2022 pick for Thad Young last year, (2) trading 2024 pick for Poeltl this year, and (3) sacrificing a 2023 lottery pick for a chance to face and get blown away by MIL or BOS is, to quote Harry, just baffling.