What should the NBA do with Draymond Green?

[GreatWhiteStiff]

[dhsilv2]

One connected and one did not. Both should face the same consequence regardless of whether one actually hit.

It is dumb as **** to punish people based on result rather than intent.

How do you judge intent, especially when it's hard in real time to see how strong or forceful the action was? I know if you break a bone that you used a heck of a lot of force and I would assume you had more intent to do harm. same with how hard Sabonis pulled on Dray's ankle.

Pretty simple, did you throw a punch? There is your intent. I assume no one is punching to miss.

Did you stomp on a guys ribs? Well sorry, either you did it on purpose or you are to **** stupid to know there is a guy there and deserve a suspension because of your recklessness.

Done. Easy.


If I accidentally get a heavy foot and get caught doing 70 in a 50, do I get off because it was not my intention to speed?

Speeding is incredibly subjective and you very well might get off with a warning. I'm not sure that example helps your case at all. Last time I was pulled over, I was doing 96 in a 70 and I was given a ticket for 10 over. Time before that was 90 in a 55 and I got a warning, no ticket. Was pulled over doing 35 in a 25 as well with a warning.

And I'd say the way you swing should absolutely be accounted for.

[DonaldSanders]

Apologies if the topic is somewhat redundant, but wanted to have a poll on what should happen with Draymond Green.

Haha, oh please you REALLY enjoyed making this big post with graphical edits etc. I hope you had a good time.

Draymond deserves a suspension, probably going to be 2 games which seems right.

[YogurtProducer]

How do you judge intent, especially when it's hard in real time to see how strong or forceful the action was? I know if you break a bone that you used a heck of a lot of force and I would assume you had more intent to do harm. same with how hard Sabonis pulled on Dray's ankle.

Pretty simple, did you throw a punch? There is your intent. I assume no one is punching to miss.

Did you stomp on a guys ribs? Well sorry, either you did it on purpose or you are to **** stupid to know there is a guy there and deserve a suspension because of your recklessness.

Done. Easy.


If I accidentally get a heavy foot and get caught doing 70 in a 50, do I get off because it was not my intention to speed?

Speeding is incredibly subjective and you very well might get off with a warning. I'm not sure that example helps your case at all. Last time I was pulled over, I was doing 96 in a 70 and I was given a ticket for 10 over. Time before that was 90 in a 55 and I got a warning, no ticket. Was pulled over doing 35 in a 25 as well with a warning.

And I'd say the way you swing should absolutely be accounted for.

What is subjective about speeding

[GreatWhiteStiff]

From context, I'm guessing he means the penalties associated with it, rather than qualifying what speeding actually is. I'm not even sure myself since the actual spd limit certainly is not a limit, really, and I don't drive.

[dhsilv2]

Pretty simple, did you throw a punch? There is your intent. I assume no one is punching to miss.

Did you stomp on a guys ribs? Well sorry, either you did it on purpose or you are to **** stupid to know there is a guy there and deserve a suspension because of your recklessness.

Done. Easy.


If I accidentally get a heavy foot and get caught doing 70 in a 50, do I get off because it was not my intention to speed?

Speeding is incredibly subjective and you very well might get off with a warning. I'm not sure that example helps your case at all. Last time I was pulled over, I was doing 96 in a 70 and I was given a ticket for 10 over. Time before that was 90 in a 55 and I got a warning, no ticket. Was pulled over doing 35 in a 25 as well with a warning.

And I'd say the way you swing should absolutely be accounted for.

What is subjective about speeding

Because it's an infractions that the punishment is almost completely subjective? I've never been given a ticket for my actual speed and I've been pulled over a good number of times lol.

[BrianFitz]

Depends on how injured Sabonis, he should miss how many games he does. If Sabonis is healthy he shouldn’t be suspended

Nah, you don't get to curb stomp another player and get away with it. He's done for a few games.

He didn't get away with it. They threw a flagrant 2 at him.

[YogurtProducer]

Speeding is incredibly subjective and you very well might get off with a warning. I'm not sure that example helps your case at all. Last time I was pulled over, I was doing 96 in a 70 and I was given a ticket for 10 over. Time before that was 90 in a 55 and I got a warning, no ticket. Was pulled over doing 35 in a 25 as well with a warning.

And I'd say the way you swing should absolutely be accounted for.

What is subjective about speeding

Because it's an infractions that the punishment is almost completely subjective? I've never been given a ticket for my actual speed and I've been pulled over a good number of times lol.

I would say there is nothing subjective about if you are over the limit.

I also highly, highly doubt being 35 over got you a warning. And if you did, whichever area you are from most have the worst cops of all time.

Maybe just speeding is not the best example. Lets say you run a red light and hit a car. The people in the other car are not hurt, do you think you can use the "well it was not my intention, and they are not hurt, so I obviously should not be punished" excuse?

[mademan]

Hard to justify a non-suspension, imo. It kinda says that you are allowed to be violent if someone does something that might be slightly-moderately dirty (depending on how you view Sabonis's actions).

Players grabbing and tugging, even up to dirtyish levels is something that you often see in the playoffs, and when caught, they get foul calls or even technicals like Sabonis. Players intentionally flinging their limbs with force is something you rarely see, and most commonly see it with Draymond. His history says he shouldnt get any benefit of the doubt

[The Rebel]

What is subjective about speeding

Because it's an infractions that the punishment is almost completely subjective? I've never been given a ticket for my actual speed and I've been pulled over a good number of times lol.

I would say there is nothing subjective about if you are over the limit.

I also highly, highly doubt being 35 over got you a warning. And if you did, whichever area you are from most have the worst cops of all time.

Maybe just speeding is not the best example. Lets say you run a red light and hit a car. The people in the other car are not hurt, do you think you can use the "well it was not my intention, and they are not hurt, so I obviously should not be punished" excuse?

Having spent some time in Phoenix there are roads there that it you are not doing 25 over than you will get run over. I have also been pulled over in several states for doing 5 over.

It is not subjective as it is all against the law, but whether you get penalized is highly subjective based on the cop and the courts.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Two games

[DonaldSanders]

I would say there is nothing subjective about if you are over the limit.

I also highly, highly doubt being 35 over got you a warning. And if you did, whichever area you are from most have the worst cops of all time.

Well he's saying that speeding punishment can be subjective, which is true in the US. I've been given a warning for going 20 over, which is what he said. When he went 35 over he got a ticket for going 10 over, sometimes cops will take pity on you; They still get their quota but don't hit you with reckless driving. I got caught doing 95 in a 65 and they wrote me up for 80. It probably helps that I have a completely clean record when they look me up, and I'm a middle aged white guy dressed "normally".

[gottamakeit]

[MarcusBrody]

Leaning towards 1 game suspension. If his ankle wasn't grabbed like that, i'd say multi game.

I'm a Draymond-hater, but I'm with you here. The ankle grab is a significant mitigating factor in my mind as it's what keeps his foot over Sabonis as his body goes forward. He used excessive force, so suspend him, but it wasn't as clear-cut as I imagined from reading about it before I saw the video.

The wildcard is how much the league weighs past history and events after the ejection. I can see more games due to those factors, but I think it will be one.

[Midwest219]

Banned. He's f**king asinine.

[dhsilv2]

What is subjective about speeding

Because it's an infractions that the punishment is almost completely subjective? I've never been given a ticket for my actual speed and I've been pulled over a good number of times lol.

I would say there is nothing subjective about if you are over the limit.

I also highly, highly doubt being 35 over got you a warning. And if you did, whichever area you are from most have the worst cops of all time.

Maybe just speeding is not the best example. Lets say you run a red light and hit a car. The people in the other car are not hurt, do you think you can use the "well it was not my intention, and they are not hurt, so I obviously should not be punished" excuse?

Cops like guys in new sports cars I guess? I was given a warning about not having my insurance updated (new car), but just had to email someone and that was resolved, no cost.

But in your second example, I'm pretty darn sure I hurt their CAR which has real, and meaningful property damage. If I ran a red light at midnight with nobody around, yeah I'd argue I didn't hurt anyone. Many cops might again just issue a warning after perhaps checking to see if I'd been drinking.

[Bergmaniac]

2 games ban at least, this was a very dirty and dangerous play, clearly intentional. And he has a history of such plays.

[xdrta+]

What should they do with Sabonis? Or is grabbing and holding someone's leg with both arms a "basketball play?"

[NBA Sheady]

No suspension. Sabonis initiated the entire situation with a blatant non basketball play by double arm locking Greens ankle while in transition. A move that is absolutely dangerous and uncalled for. Green responded with a non basketball play to free himself, as is his right.

Freeing yourself would be raising the leg. He then stomped it down. Then stepped up onto it. He's a scumbag who regularly does scumbag things.

[GSWFan1994]

Now replace "get" with "own"... *chef's kiss*