Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun?

[Dan Z]

What would OKC be like had they kept Sengun?

[WillyJakkz]

Look at the poll now. Duren was smoking this and now Sengun has made this race

beat me to it

Hilarious Duren was outpacing Alperen 2 to 1 at first. Reading some of the takes in this thread is funny, too.

Especially the "Sengun is a bench big at best" or the "you can't win with this type of C prototype".

I still believe it's a really good comparison as far as contrasting styles of 2 up and coming C's and to each their own as for opinion but the reasons for saying Alpie isn't a fantastic player were cringe worthy.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

i don't know how these guys will be for their franchise but Sengun is still underrated here. Him and Barnes are probably the guys taking it to the next level.

Houston maybe knew they needed a lead guard that can play at Sengun's pace to really unlock his potential. the young guys just want to run and put up shots whereas FVV plays at a pace more comfortable and distributes the ball more evenly to the theiir more athletic wing guys. also helps they got rid of Kevin Porter Jr as well. i mean FVV lost all his shooting ability from anywhere other than 3 so far.

[Liver_Pooty]

Real debate should be Mark Williams vs Duren

[ThatBoyNick]

What would OKC be like had they kept Sengun?

Maybe not too much better, you can only have so much overlapping talent. If Sengun isn't the hub on offense (and he likely shouldn't be over a guy like Shai) you're losing on his biggest strength while still dealing with all of his weaknesses. OKC is probably best with an off-ball player without the defensive/shooting weaknesses.

Chet and Sengun together are probably an amazing front court duo though.

[turnaroundJ]

he's like a mix of zach randolph and pau gasol but with more playmaking. and a 3. quite a talented kid.

What would OKC be like had they kept Sengun?

Maybe not too much better, you can only have so much overlapping talent. If Sengun isn't the hub on offense (and he likely shouldn't be over a guy like Shai) you're losing on his biggest strength while still dealing with all of his weaknesses. OKC is probably best with an off-ball player without the defensive/shooting weaknesses.

Chet and Sengun together are probably an amazing front court duo though.

they'd have to get rid of Giddey imo since Sengun becomes the main playmaker but Chet, Sengun, SGA probably fits and is a contender in a few years

[CptCrunch]

This poll is literally a basketball IQ test and 70% of the voters failed when this was first posted.

[Curtis Lemansky]

I think if / when he cleans up his free throw shooting and becomes a bit more willing shooter from long range, we could see him go over 25 ppg easily. Also, a little bit more respect from refs would help him a lot, his quirky movements should get him a few free-throw attempts every game.

He has the best butt in NBA right now. That thing is flexible and moves everything it hits.

[MoneyTalks41890]

he's like a mix of zach randolph and pau gasol but with more playmaking. and a 3. quite a talented kid.

What would OKC be like had they kept Sengun?

Maybe not too much better, you can only have so much overlapping talent. If Sengun isn't the hub on offense (and he likely shouldn't be over a guy like Shai) you're losing on his biggest strength while still dealing with all of his weaknesses. OKC is probably best with an off-ball player without the defensive/shooting weaknesses.

Chet and Sengun together are probably an amazing front court duo though.

they'd have to get rid of Giddey imo since Sengun becomes the main playmaker but Chet, Sengun, SGA probably fits and is a contender in a few years

Sengun doesn’t fit the 5 out play style around SGA. That’s why he wasn’t brought in in the first place.

[Frankie]

You can tell by the first few posts that this thread was created when the Rockets were 0-3 on the season.

[whitehops]

i'm really glad to see sengun balling out, i remember watching summer league his rookie season and he was very clearly like three steps ahead of everyone which is a great sign. i'm pretty sure i made a couple posts that he looked like jokic-lite.

duren's season has been up and down. he's been dealing with a pretty bad ankle injury which has really hampered him. when healthy he's had a huge impact but i'm not quite sure if that's his improvement or just that his replacements (bagley and wiseman) are so bad.

[Billl]

I like sengun, but I think Duren just has more potential to be a major impact player defensively. And in terms of building a team, I think it's a lot easier to plug duren into most lineups. You can just have all the other guys playing the normal, standard roles for their positions and he'll compliment them nicely.

[freestyler34]

I like sengun, but I think Duren just has more potential to be a major impact player defensively. And in terms of building a team, I think it's a lot easier to plug duren into most lineups. You can just have all the other guys playing the normal, standard roles for their positions and he'll compliment them nicely.

The thing is you can find Duren like profiles easily in the NBA , undersized defensive center with zero offence, for example Adem Bona from UCLA will be available late first round this years draft, unlike Sengun whos a offensive facilitator/playmaker from the C position almost can score anytime he wants in the post 1v1 which pulls double teams and since hes a good passer with high IQ its opens up the game alot and his defence is not as bad as ppl say in this thread, he gets best minus/plus in his team all the time .

[Billl]

I like sengun, but I think Duren just has more potential to be a major impact player defensively. And in terms of building a team, I think it's a lot easier to plug duren into most lineups. You can just have all the other guys playing the normal, standard roles for their positions and he'll compliment them nicely.

The thing is you can find Duren like profiles easily in the NBA , undersized defensive center with zero offence, for example Adem Bona from UCLA will be available late first round this years draft, unlike Sengun whos a offensive facilitator/playmaker from the C position almost can score anytime he wants in the post 1v1 which pulls double teams and since hes a good passer with high IQ its opens up the game alot and his defence is not as bad as ppl say in this thread, he gets best minus/plus in his team all the time .

LOL at Duren as an undersized center. The guy is a physical freak and came into the league as a 6'10' 250lb teenager who is still filling out.

[freestyler34]

I like sengun, but I think Duren just has more potential to be a major impact player defensively. And in terms of building a team, I think it's a lot easier to plug duren into most lineups. You can just have all the other guys playing the normal, standard roles for their positions and he'll compliment them nicely.

The thing is you can find Duren like profiles easily in the NBA , undersized defensive center with zero offence, for example Adem Bona from UCLA will be available late first round this years draft, unlike Sengun whos a offensive facilitator/playmaker from the C position almost can score anytime he wants in the post 1v1 which pulls double teams and since hes a good passer with high IQ its opens up the game alot and his defence is not as bad as ppl say in this thread, he gets best minus/plus in his team all the time .

LOL at Duren as an undersized center. The guy is a physical freak and came into the league as a 6'10' 250lb teenager who is still filling out.

At best his average height for the center position and he has zero offence completely zero he dont even try to shoot other than dunks and lay ups, whats makes him so special ? That hes athletic and defensive minded ? %90 of the American bigs that coming from college got same profile .

[Billl]

The thing is you can find Duren like profiles easily in the NBA , undersized defensive center with zero offence, for example Adem Bona from UCLA will be available late first round this years draft, unlike Sengun whos a offensive facilitator/playmaker from the C position almost can score anytime he wants in the post 1v1 which pulls double teams and since hes a good passer with high IQ its opens up the game alot and his defence is not as bad as ppl say in this thread, he gets best minus/plus in his team all the time .

LOL at Duren as an undersized center. The guy is a physical freak and came into the league as a 6'10' 250lb teenager who is still filling out.

At best his average height for the center position and he has zero offence completely zero he dont even try to shoot other than dunks and lay ups, whats makes him so special ? That hes athletic and defensive minded ? %90 of the American bigs that coming from college got same profile .

He's top notch atheltic, can jump out of the gym, rebounds well, protects the paint etc. All the things you actually want your center to do. And no, those aren't actually common things to do at a very high level.

It's OK if you don't watch him much, I know the pistons suck and all. He's actually got some decent moves on offense and nice touch. We just don't call plays for him at this point in his development. He's getting some additional touches up top this year and is showing off a nice passing ability - 3.1apg on very little usage. At 19, he was already a walking double double. If you want to sleep on him, go ahead. I think he's going to be a beast for the next decade.

[HardenGoat]

Kobe would say Sengun is the type of player that you can win a chip with on your team.

[canada_dry]

Lol

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[Infinite Llamas]

LOL at Duren as an undersized center. The guy is a physical freak and came into the league as a 6'10' 250lb teenager who is still filling out.

At best his average height for the center position and he has zero offence completely zero he dont even try to shoot other than dunks and lay ups, whats makes him so special ? That hes athletic and defensive minded ? %90 of the American bigs that coming from college got same profile .

He's top notch atheltic, can jump out of the gym, rebounds well, protects the paint etc. All the things you actually want your center to do. And no, those aren't actually common things to do at a very high level.

It's OK if you don't watch him much, I know the pistons suck and all. He's actually got some decent moves on offense and nice touch. We just don't call plays for him at this point in his development. He's getting some additional touches up top this year and is showing off a nice passing ability - 3.1apg on very little usage. At 19, he was already a walking double double. If you want to sleep on him, go ahead. I think he's going to be a beast for the next decade.

Sounds like Time Lord with more post moves and hopefully better health.

[Ayt]

Sengun at 21 in these 7 games has been as good as Sabonis' best season ever yet we have to compare him to Sabonis? Lol That ceiling will be broken in a few weeks.

Sorry but guys trajectory is looking more like a smaller but faster Jokic. With 7 games games his defense has improved drastically and his commitment to defense is excellent.

When you make comparisons, you do it by age or experience. When we're comparing them, it's to a 21 year old Jokic so don't come saying Sengun can't run a championship offense because neither could Jokic at this age.

breathe dude, breathe. sengun will very likely be a bench guy in a few years if he is still in the league. sure, if everything plays out perfectly he might be a fringe starter on a non-tanking team but pretty unlikely

Good call, bro!