Woj: Raptors trade Pascal Siakam to Pacers for Bruce Brown, Jordan Nwora, Kira Lewis and 3 first round picks

[Nuntius]

Bad deal for Indy. Non floor spacers next to hali equals death. Markanan is a better target for them

Markkanen is going to cost way, way more. Probably a Gobert-type deal.

[baldur]

fans heavily overate the value of 3 1st round picks in this thread. probably all in the 15-30 range

where pascal siakam was picked.

[JustLucky]

Siakam probably going to eat Obi Toppin's minutes, unfortunate break for the latter.

thats fine obi is a 11th man type talent

[JustLucky]

fans heavily overate the value of 3 1st round picks in this thread. probably all in the 15-30 range

where pascal siakam was picked.

and hes probably the best pick in that range in the last 7 years. Someone already said it but the chance of an allstar being drafted after 15 is 5% (per draft i think)

[Nuntius]

If I am the Raptors GM and you guys want my Siakam, all I want is Walker and Mathurin plus a 2nd round pick. Thats more than fair since they can keep all your 1st rounders.

Holy crap that's moronic. Give up 2 lottery pick players that they are super high on. Instead of late 1st round picks. Lunacy

Anyway, Mathurin and Walker have aready been said by Pacers to be untouchable in any Pascal trade scenario.

Then they can forget about Pascal by trying to dump a player they overpaid just to hurt the Nuggets like they are laughing now Lol

This is pretty weird. We didn't "overpay" for Brown to hurt the Nuggets. We "overpaid" for Brown because we had to (as in, we were required by the CBA) to meet the salary floor. Due to the fact that most of our players are still on rookie deals, we had to give out a 20+ mil contract to someone (really, anyone) or else we would be penalized.

[Nuntius]

Because he sucks. Empty calories inefficient scorer that does nothing else. Trade him now while now Still has perceived value

Lol you haven’t watched a second of Mathurin or the Pacers this year outside of IST I’m sure. Mathurins efficiency has improved since his rookie year he’s sitting around 48% from the field and 38% from 3 and he gets to the line a lot. So there’s no actual data to support what you’re saying. He’s also been super coachable, didn’t complain about coming off the bench and Ricks been on him to improve the little things, he’s made strides in his passing. Just an ignorant ass take all around.

theres a reason why he's on the waiver wire in fantasy. If his shots aren't falling he's not filling up the sheet. He's the type that even if he scores 25 points, he'll have like 26 fantasy points because he did little else and whatever little else he did was negated by turnovers. Even with Hali out he has not taken the ball and ran with it. Siakam on this team as lead guy while Hali out would probably be dropping triple doubles or close to it

Judging players by their production in fantasy basketball isn't the best idea. There are a lot of things that matter on the court that fantasy basketball doesn't account for.

[Mattatron]

Those 3frp are not that much. Indiana can easily ignore this years class. Indiana frp will be around 20-30 and okc pick this year between 25 and 30. +frp from Indiana in 2026. If they won't deal any of their prospects they have to balance this out with frp's. Pacers are stacked with talent they're not relying on this years draft class.
Siakam next to Haliburton with an high octane offense is sounds amazingly. Siakam will have so much space to operate for the first time since 2018/2019/2020 back when he played with Lowry.

[WentzerWuver]

Holy crap that's moronic. Give up 2 lottery pick players that they are super high on. Instead of late 1st round picks. Lunacy

Anyway, Mathurin and Walker have aready been said by Pacers to be untouchable in any Pascal trade scenario.

Then they can forget about Pascal by trying to dump a player they overpaid just to hurt the Nuggets like they are laughing now Lol

This is pretty weird. We didn't "overpay" for Brown to hurt the Nuggets. We "overpaid" for Brown because we had to (as in, we were required by the CBA) to meet the salary floor. Due to the fact that most of our players are still on rookie deals, we had to give out a 20+ mil contract to someone (really, anyone) or else we would be penalized.

They could have offered that kind of money to AR with a poison pill offer to piss off the Lakers. Even Kuzma when he was a UFA to play for a contender over a rebuilding team.

[Ruma85]

Then they can forget about Pascal by trying to dump a player they overpaid just to hurt the Nuggets like they are laughing now Lol

This is pretty weird. We didn't "overpay" for Brown to hurt the Nuggets. We "overpaid" for Brown because we had to (as in, we were required by the CBA) to meet the salary floor. Due to the fact that most of our players are still on rookie deals, we had to give out a 20+ mil contract to someone (really, anyone) or else we would be penalized.

They could have offered that kind of money to AR with a poison pill offer to piss off the Lakers. Even Kuzma when he was a UFA to play for a contender over a rebuilding team.

Lakers would've matched, ether way they got a steal on Reaves's contract.

[Nuntius]

Then they can forget about Pascal by trying to dump a player they overpaid just to hurt the Nuggets like they are laughing now Lol

This is pretty weird. We didn't "overpay" for Brown to hurt the Nuggets. We "overpaid" for Brown because we had to (as in, we were required by the CBA) to meet the salary floor. Due to the fact that most of our players are still on rookie deals, we had to give out a 20+ mil contract to someone (really, anyone) or else we would be penalized.

They could have offered that kind of money to AR with a poison pill offer to piss off the Lakers. Even Kuzma when he was a UFA to play for a contender over a rebuilding team.

Sure, we could have targeted a different FA but we preferred Bruce Brown. His skillset (good perimeter defender, great off-ball player who has a track record of producing next to elite passers and good enough secondary ball-handler) fit our team much better than any other players that were on the market.

[Iwasawitness]

there is zero path for indy to take the next step as a team w/o making a trade like this. they have hield who's a UFA. if they don't make the deal then their future rests on the development of mathurin and walker - that will probably kill 2-3 years of hali's prime years. windows to make the next step close quick for alot of teams.

Agreed, standing on your hands is rarely advisable. Haliburton-Mathurin-Turner is their big 3 the next few years w/o Siakam … adding Siakam would remind me of Bucks making a swing for Jrue Holiday few years ago. People questioned that trade then, but it obviously worked. Finding a veteran in their prime is difficult. He checks off enough boxes.

and this is an even better trade for indy b/c they have a huge hole at pf and front court scoring.

Agreed, sometimes trades for all star caliber players just make sense. They fill needs that you are still looking for and sometimes swinging for the fences is what’s needed.

This reminds me, albeit on a lesser scale, of when Toronto traded for Marc Gasol in 2019. Not necessarily on the level of a player Siakam is now, nor did they give up nearly as much as what it looks like Indy will, BUT it gave them that excellent defensive center who could also help keep the offense running with his passing and even spread the floor out.

[Dominator83]

Lol you haven’t watched a second of Mathurin or the Pacers this year outside of IST I’m sure. Mathurins efficiency has improved since his rookie year he’s sitting around 48% from the field and 38% from 3 and he gets to the line a lot. So there’s no actual data to support what you’re saying. He’s also been super coachable, didn’t complain about coming off the bench and Ricks been on him to improve the little things, he’s made strides in his passing. Just an ignorant ass take all around.

theres a reason why he's on the waiver wire in fantasy. If his shots aren't falling he's not filling up the sheet. He's the type that even if he scores 25 points, he'll have like 26 fantasy points because he did little else and whatever little else he did was negated by turnovers. Even with Hali out he has not taken the ball and ran with it. Siakam on this team as lead guy while Hali out would probably be dropping triple doubles or close to it

i really hope so. I have Siakam in Fantasy. (Also drafted Mathurin but dropped his azz real fast)

And I'm guessing nobody picked him up? Or if they did they dropped soon after?

[Dominator83]

Lol you haven’t watched a second of Mathurin or the Pacers this year outside of IST I’m sure. Mathurins efficiency has improved since his rookie year he’s sitting around 48% from the field and 38% from 3 and he gets to the line a lot. So there’s no actual data to support what you’re saying. He’s also been super coachable, didn’t complain about coming off the bench and Ricks been on him to improve the little things, he’s made strides in his passing. Just an ignorant ass take all around.

theres a reason why he's on the waiver wire in fantasy. If his shots aren't falling he's not filling up the sheet. He's the type that even if he scores 25 points, he'll have like 26 fantasy points because he did little else and whatever little else he did was negated by turnovers. Even with Hali out he has not taken the ball and ran with it. Siakam on this team as lead guy while Hali out would probably be dropping triple doubles or close to it

Judging players by their production in fantasy basketball isn't the best idea. There are a lot of things that matter on the court that fantasy basketball doesn't account for.

normally defense. Like your best version of Roy Hibbert was a better real life player than fantasy player.

Benedict is a decent player with some upside, but imo if he can be used as the main outgoing piece to bring you back a Siakam, they should take that and run. I just don't see Benedict as being this untouchable that you gotta hold onto for dear life. That designation is more for Jerace Walker. Now that guy has stud written all over him.

Hali is a legit #1. Siakam can still be a good #2. Jerace a stud in the making, Turner still very good. I think they can really get something cooking there in Indy. Can't be scared though gotta make the trade.

[JagBoto]

fans heavily overate the value of 3 1st round picks in this thread. probably all in the 15-30 range

where pascal siakam was picked.

Manu was picked as late 2nd rounder, maybe instead of 3x 1st round picks Toronto should ask for late 2nd rounders

[Godymas]

Pacers don't do this unless they get commitment from Siakam's agent that he's going to re-sign and frankly he has every reason to re-sign with the Pacers for multiple reasons

1. Historically good franchise
2. Superstar teammate that is also a floor general
3. Plenty of spacing for him to stay on the inside
4. Low key market and franchise that is similar to Toronto, won't have any added pressure on him similar to Toronto vs. if he signed with Miami/NY
5. Where else would he even want to go to that makes sense, has the cap space and could maintain an identity of winning around him?

[CallMeKahn]

Bad deal for Indy. Non floor spacers next to hali equals death. Markanan is a better target for them

Markkanen is going to cost way, way more. Probably a Gobert-type deal.

Affirmative. It is Ainge and Lauri's contract is currently one of the best in the league from any standpoint. Utah won't move him.

[CallMeKahn]

Pacers don't do this unless they get commitment from Siakam's agent that he's going to re-sign and frankly he has every reason to re-sign with the Pacers for multiple reasons

1. Historically good franchise
2. Superstar teammate that is also a floor general
3. Plenty of spacing for him to stay on the inside
4. Low key market and franchise that is similar to Toronto, won't have any added pressure on him similar to Toronto vs. if he signed with Miami/NY
5. Where else would he even want to go to that makes sense, has the cap space and could maintain an identity of winning around him?

Agreed. The price is steep for a rental, but seems about right if Pascal is extending his deal. I think any trade is contingent on that.

[Exp0sed]

I like the Siakam fit for Indy and Brown is a good trade chip for Toronto if they want to flip him to a contender.

can the Nuggets trade for him?

[Exp0sed]

Pacers don't do this unless they get commitment from Siakam's agent that he's going to re-sign and frankly he has every reason to re-sign with the Pacers for multiple reasons

1. Historically good franchise
2. Superstar teammate that is also a floor general
3. Plenty of spacing for him to stay on the inside
4. Low key market and franchise that is similar to Toronto, won't have any added pressure on him similar to Toronto vs. if he signed with Miami/NY
5. Where else would he even want to go to that makes sense, has the cap space and could maintain an identity of winning around him?

Agreed. The price is steep for a rental, but seems about right if Pascal is extending his deal. I think any trade is contingent on that.

get real, no team is trading real assets for a Siakam rental, if the talks are advancing that means he has agreed in principle to a max extention with the Pacers

he's a great piece and I can see 3 FRPs for him, but 3 + Brown seems steep, I think a contender might give a FRP for Brown, despite his contract.

[Gusto1903]

theres a reason why he's on the waiver wire in fantasy. If his shots aren't falling he's not filling up the sheet. He's the type that even if he scores 25 points, he'll have like 26 fantasy points because he did little else and whatever little else he did was negated by turnovers. Even with Hali out he has not taken the ball and ran with it. Siakam on this team as lead guy while Hali out would probably be dropping triple doubles or close to it

i really hope so. I have Siakam in Fantasy. (Also drafted Mathurin but dropped his azz real fast)

And I'm guessing nobody picked him up? Or if they did they dropped soon after?

Yeah, he hasnt stayed on a roster for more than a couple days since. Every now and then, people are streaming him, but yeah. He isnt a permanent option for anybody.