Masai Ujiri's future with the Raptors might end soon

[GiannisAnte34]

Don't see how any of that refuted what I said. Bucks got lucky to have a superstar, just like every title team. Masai had a superstar for all of one season, who was so dead set on going home he left after a title, which is fairly unlucky as far as executives of title winning teams go.

And Warriors weren't as injury prone but they were going on their 5th straight Finals appearance, not crazy that they started to break down. And it's not like Raps were 100% healthy, OG missed the entire run

Stop the cap, if Durant plays the Raps come up short and the gamble on Kawhi looks much more foolish in hindsight because everybody knew the moment the trade went down he was adamant about going to LA. Proven by the fact he still dipped after winning the whole thing….

Yes, IF Durant hadn't been injured & Raptors don't win, the Kawhi gamble fails. But it's a moot point because Raptors did win. If your point is Masai got lucky, then the counterpoint is every winning team has luck on the road to their Championship.

So for example, your Bucks was lucky Kawhi got injured in 2021 playoffs. IF he had played through the playoffs like he did his prior 2 years, they would've made the Finals and beat the Bucks. Kawhi stopped Giannis in 2019, he would've done it again in 2021.

Fact is, Masai had the midas touch on almost everything prior to the Championship. Just about every draft pick turned out well & every trade turned out well. It would be a stretch to say everything he did from 2013 to 2019 was luck, you have to give it to him.

Now if you were to dump on his record did since the 2019 Championship, that's a different matter and there can be a debate on this. But he gets full credit for the Championship. Unless you're also claiming that his luck turned unlucky after 2019.... in which case at least you're consistent.

I think you can analyze it with a results oriented lens and also analyze it with a process oriented lens. Results wise, it worked out perfectly. Should a team mimic that move when an existing juggernaut is around? Probably not

[Fairview4Life]

Stop the cap, if Durant plays the Raps come up short and the gamble on Kawhi looks much more foolish in hindsight because everybody knew the moment the trade went down he was adamant about going to LA. Proven by the fact he still dipped after winning the whole thing….

Yes, IF Durant hadn't been injured & Raptors don't win, the Kawhi gamble fails. But it's a moot point because Raptors did win. If your point is Masai got lucky, then the counterpoint is every winning team has luck on the road to their Championship.

So for example, your Bucks was lucky Kawhi got injured in 2021 playoffs. IF he had played through the playoffs like he did his prior 2 years, they would've made the Finals and beat the Bucks. Kawhi stopped Giannis in 2019, he would've done it again in 2021.

Fact is, Masai had the midas touch on almost everything prior to the Championship. Just about every draft pick turned out well & every trade turned out well. It would be a stretch to say everything he did from 2013 to 2019 was luck, you have to give it to him.

Now if you were to dump on his record did since the 2019 Championship, that's a different matter and there can be a debate on this. But he gets full credit for the Championship. Unless you're also claiming that his luck turned unlucky after 2019.... in which case at least you're consistent.

I think you can analyze it with a results oriented lens and also analyze it with a process oriented lens. Results wise, it worked out perfectly. Should a team mimic that move when an existing juggernaut is around? Probably not

Not trying to win a title just because another team looks really good is loser talk.

[GiannisAnte34]

Yes, IF Durant hadn't been injured & Raptors don't win, the Kawhi gamble fails. But it's a moot point because Raptors did win. If your point is Masai got lucky, then the counterpoint is every winning team has luck on the road to their Championship.

So for example, your Bucks was lucky Kawhi got injured in 2021 playoffs. IF he had played through the playoffs like he did his prior 2 years, they would've made the Finals and beat the Bucks. Kawhi stopped Giannis in 2019, he would've done it again in 2021.

Fact is, Masai had the midas touch on almost everything prior to the Championship. Just about every draft pick turned out well & every trade turned out well. It would be a stretch to say everything he did from 2013 to 2019 was luck, you have to give it to him.

Now if you were to dump on his record did since the 2019 Championship, that's a different matter and there can be a debate on this. But he gets full credit for the Championship. Unless you're also claiming that his luck turned unlucky after 2019.... in which case at least you're consistent.

I think you can analyze it with a results oriented lens and also analyze it with a process oriented lens. Results wise, it worked out perfectly. Should a team mimic that move when an existing juggernaut is around? Probably not

Not trying to win a title just because another team looks really good is loser talk.

How's that going for Toronto now? GL with it

[Fairview4Life]

I think you can analyze it with a results oriented lens and also analyze it with a process oriented lens. Results wise, it worked out perfectly. Should a team mimic that move when an existing juggernaut is around? Probably not

Not trying to win a title just because another team looks really good is loser talk.

How's that going for Toronto now? GL with it

Huh? They are currently rebuilding. Arguing that they shouldn’t try to win a title, like in 2019, because Golden State was really good, is loser talk.

The Bucks, to pick a random example, were also trying to win a title that season, and had a great shot at it. Should they not have tried that year, because Golden State was really good?

[GiannisAnte34]

Not trying to win a title just because another team looks really good is loser talk.

How's that going for Toronto now? GL with it

Huh? They are currently rebuilding. Arguing that they shouldn’t try to win a title, like in 2019, because Golden State was really good, is loser talk.

The Bucks, to pick a random example, were also trying to win a title that season, and had a great shot at it. Should they not have tried that year, because Golden State was really good?

To pick another random example, in my dynasty fantasy football league I intentionally traded away all of my top players to tank the season and horde future draft picks and rookie/sophomore prospects in back to back years. That led to me winning 3 championships over the course of 4 seasons and 2nd place in the other season.

To pick yet another random example, no poker pro is constantly trying to take down every pot. They calculate based on the odds of their hand, the bet sizes, the players in the pot and their patterns. Imagine folding on purpose to win later on? Crazy strategy right

Acting like giving up assets for a rental superstar is always a good move is straight up false. There are many scenarios where it can be a net negative, especially when that rental superstar is telling you straight out he has no intention of resigning with your team

[Fairview4Life]

How's that going for Toronto now? GL with it

Huh? They are currently rebuilding. Arguing that they shouldn’t try to win a title, like in 2019, because Golden State was really good, is loser talk.

The Bucks, to pick a random example, were also trying to win a title that season, and had a great shot at it. Should they not have tried that year, because Golden State was really good?

To pick another random example, in my dynasty fantasy football league I intentionally traded away all of my top players to tank the season and horde future draft picks and rookie/sophomore prospects in back to back years. That led to me winning 3 championships over the course of 4 seasons and 2nd place in the other season.

To pick yet another random example, no poker pro is constantly trying to take down every pot. They calculate based on the odds of their hand, the bet sizes, the players in the pot and their patterns. Imagine folding on purpose to win later on? Crazy strategy right

Acting like giving up assets for a rental superstar is always a good move is straight up false. There are many scenarios where it can be a net negative, especially when that rental superstar is telling you straight out he has no intention of resigning with your team

…who’s acting like it’s always a good move? You argued the process was flawed because Kawhi was going to leave and they specifically shouldn’t have tried to compete against the mighty warriors. The “gamble” on Kawhi was perfectly fine even if he left. They took multiple shots with Lowry and Demar and it certainly didn’t look like they would be getting over the hump with Derozan in particular. Trading for a year of Kawhi was easily the right play, even if they knew he would leave at the end of the season. They tried to win a title. Even with a great team in the west. Philly and Milwaukee also tried to win titles, and easily could have with a few other bounces. Even with a great team in the west. They all chose to compete and not act like **** losers. All 3 teams made good decisions, in my opinion, even if only the Raptors won it all. You seem to think they all made bad decisions, because the warriors were so good.