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Post#161 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:48 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:I was the last person in my friend group that still watched the NBA. It went from my friends following basically everything in the NBA, to slowly just their team during the regular season, do just the playoffs, to just the finals, to now they don’t watch anything.

I’m now on that path as well. I don’t watch any NBA now really. First time probably ever I watched more MLB playoffs than NBA playoffs. The product is just boring to me now. Can’t really put a finger on it, but ya just lost my interest.

I’m sure I’m not the only one with a similar situation. If people think it’s just mainly “illegal streaming” for the low ratings, I think they’re very wrong. A lot of people are just getting bored with the level of product of the NBA now.


Yet you still post...i mean just because ppl arent watching full games doesnt mean the product is completely broken. SE got shutdown but theres still a few good ones out there i use every night..def impacts them when ppl know they can watch for free. Olympics was the purest form of the sport we have seen in like a decade. Maybe start hiring FIBA refs and let them get physical again as i dont see the 3pter going away anytime soon .


Ya and my posting on here is probably 1/50th of what it used to be.

I’m not saying the product is broken. I’m saying the product that the NBA is producing is no longer interesting to me. There is no doubt plenty of people who enjoy the state of the game right now. Totally cool with me, it’s just a difference of opinion. And I’m just stating that I think that is a bigger reason for the drop in ratings, than things like illegal streaming.
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Re: NBA viewership down 

Post#162 » by Triple M » Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:07 pm

The tv viewership is down but it doesn't seem like the social media engagement is down. People just dont have the attention span to watch 2.5 hours games. But the amount of clicks i see on X or tik tok and IG seems like therr is still a lot of engagement
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Post#163 » by M2J » Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:15 pm

Triple M wrote:The tv viewership is down but it doesn't seem like the social media engagement is down. People just dont have the attention span to watch 2.5 hours games. But the amount of clicks i see on X or tik tok and IG seems like therr is still a lot of engagement



Tv watching is awful too. When more people are trying to cut the chords, NBA puts out condensed games immediately, and you need cable (not league pass) to watch the games in your market. Plus league pass to watch other teams you're interested in. It's too much
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Post#164 » by dautjazz » Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:29 pm

Jacking up threes and so many injured or rested stars. Regular season games have lost their allure to me. As a Jazz fan right now, they are a hard watch, and I just don't really care about watching other teams that much either. Doesn't help that this rookie class has had a rough start. Playoffs I'll tune in.
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im 20, and i did grow up watching MJ play in the 90's.
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Post#165 » by G35 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:35 pm

This video shows how terrible the defense is in the NBA. Why watch RS games where the effort is so lackluster.

I'm so tired of the typical......
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Post#166 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:09 am

Triple M wrote:The tv viewership is down but it doesn't seem like the social media engagement is down. People just dont have the attention span to watch 2.5 hours games. But the amount of clicks i see on X or tik tok and IG seems like therr is still a lot of engagement


If this was the issue, then I think we would be seeing drops in ratings even for football. An NFL game is 3 hours long and their ratings aren’t dropping. Thursday Night Football which is the worst product the NFL produces, is seeing all time high ratings so far this year for Amazon.
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Post#167 » by lakerz12 » Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:04 am

Are these stats including streaming? And even illegal streaming?

Many people aren’t using traditional cable channels anymore.

The product has also gotten weaker. Soft play, flopping etc.

And guys sit out very often with pseudo injuries. It’s a joke.
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Post#168 » by LarsV8 » Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:33 am

Loaded up the NBA Ap on my Roku just now. Thought I would catch the 4th of the LAL / Jazz game.

I am a league pass subscriber through Xfinity.

Logged into the ap and everytime I click watch, it sends me to the purchase league pass screen. Log out, log in, re-link my xfinity. Finally can click into the game, turns on for 30 seconds, then flips off and takes me to the buy league pass purchase splash page.

So sick of this ****.
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Post#169 » by NBA_is_cringe » Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:19 am

no one watches tv anymore unless they are old/braindead. ww3 is about to start. no one would have cared about someone dunking in 1943.

the nba product is unattractive in part because a lot of the supposed star personalities you see in the nba are unattractive because they come across as mentally weak compared to the previous generations of players. lots of people say this wrt the olympic dream team of 1992. for example even someone super likable like zion williams has no career because it was just too hard to stop eating? that's disgusting to someone who has to work for a living. why would he wanna even think about that ****? it's gross. even if zion is playing i don't want to see this fat **** do a left handed layup. no one gives a ****.

people probably watched MJ because they looked up to him and thought they might improve their life by emulating his attitude and whatever. maybe the same with kobe. would you say the same about embiid? or ben simmons? or harden? these people all make me want to puke. yeah i gotta be like harden in real life i gotta walk around on my tip toes and hide my face with my ugly beard because god forbid anyone sees what i look like, and i gotta suck in the playoffs when it matters. or durant for that matter. it would make anyone vomit to think about these people. the morris brothers? ew. remember the dwight howard van gundy press conference ****? what a lying little bitch, it's gross. who are the cool players? Ron Artest. MJ. Kevin Garnett. masculine people not these beta bitches. and even people that doesn't apply to, like steph curry, are just boring. wow the ball went in the basket, literally, like there's nothing else to say. what beautiful form. how braindead would you have to be to find that interesting?
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Post#170 » by Hellcrooner » Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:12 am

find a way to make lopsided trades that get Giannis with Lebron and Davis , doncic with jokik ( in dallas) and Embiid to Ny

ratings will go back up instantly.
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Post#171 » by Sign5 » Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:25 am

Hellcrooner wrote:find a way to make lopsided trades that get Giannis with Lebron and Davis , doncic with jokik ( in dallas) and Embiid to Ny

ratings will go back up instantly.

Honestly celts being overwhelming favorites definitely dampens the ratings. Yea you had super teams in Heatles and Warriors prior but they were actually light years ahead in terms of entertainment. Unlike the Celts who just chuck 3s.

Could definitely see ratings bolstered with a star like going Giannis going to team up with Bron/AD. Not happening though.
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Post#172 » by zero rings » Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:36 pm

The biggest problem with the NBA is not the three point shot, or the devaluing of the regular season, although those are issues.

It is the childish and unprofessional marketing of the league by ESPN/Disney. Everything is about personalities, drama, this star vs that star. There is so sense of toughness, sportsmanship, or heroism in the NBA, which is something the NFL still gets right. It’s basically a soap opera for little boys.

The NBA could solve most of its problems by dumping ESPN and partnering with a network that actually treats the game with respect.
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Post#173 » by Raps in 4 » Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:07 pm

Cable costs $200/month. Nobody can afford to pay that **** anymore, especially with the cost of living being as high as it is now.
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Re: NBA viewership down 

Post#174 » by Curmudgeon » Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:36 pm

The officiating hasn't improved in 30 years. In fact it has gotten worse. I can't believe that players go foul hunting by flopping when no one touched them, and then have the temerity to complain to the referees when they don't get the call. Case in point: Donovan Mitchell's flop at the end of the first half last night.

I'm sick and tired of all the ticky tacky touch fouls that ruin the continuity of the game and create a parade to the foul line. One reason that the 3 point shot has taken over the game is that you can't breathe on a shooter without sending him to the line.

If the officials let the players play as they do in hockey the ratings would improve. No harm, no foul.
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Post#175 » by Charlie Sollers » Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:50 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
Triple M wrote:The tv viewership is down but it doesn't seem like the social media engagement is down. People just dont have the attention span to watch 2.5 hours games. But the amount of clicks i see on X or tik tok and IG seems like therr is still a lot of engagement


If this was the issue, then I think we would be seeing drops in ratings even for football. An NFL game is 3 hours long and their ratings aren’t dropping. Thursday Night Football which is the worst product the NFL produces, is seeing all time high ratings so far this year for Amazon.


Biggest difference is the NFL product is scarce. Easy to make time once a week to watch your favorite team. It will never happen but I would love to see a European football style for the regular season. Double round robin, home and away and take the top 16 teams.
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Post#176 » by bkkrh » Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:13 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
Triple M wrote:The tv viewership is down but it doesn't seem like the social media engagement is down. People just dont have the attention span to watch 2.5 hours games. But the amount of clicks i see on X or tik tok and IG seems like therr is still a lot of engagement


If this was the issue, then I think we would be seeing drops in ratings even for football. An NFL game is 3 hours long and their ratings aren’t dropping. Thursday Night Football which is the worst product the NFL produces, is seeing all time high ratings so far this year for Amazon.


A football season has 16 games and every regular season game is meaningful in the sense that it impacts Playoff placings and participation and the season is a lot shorter, less teams make the playoffs while the league has more teams and playoff rounds only consists of one game. So you simply get a lot less chances to watch a specific team each season.
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Post#177 » by bkkrh » Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:35 pm

NBA_is_cringe wrote:no one watches tv anymore unless they are old/braindead. ww3 is about to start. no one would have cared about someone dunking in 1943.

the nba product is unattractive in part because a lot of the supposed star personalities you see in the nba are unattractive because they come across as mentally weak compared to the previous generations of players. lots of people say this wrt the olympic dream team of 1992. for example even someone super likable like zion williams has no career because it was just too hard to stop eating? that's disgusting to someone who has to work for a living. why would he wanna even think about that ****? it's gross. even if zion is playing i don't want to see this fat **** do a left handed layup. no one gives a ****.

people probably watched MJ because they looked up to him and thought they might improve their life by emulating his attitude and whatever. maybe the same with kobe. would you say the same about embiid? or ben simmons? or harden? these people all make me want to puke. yeah i gotta be like harden in real life i gotta walk around on my tip toes and hide my face with my ugly beard because god forbid anyone sees what i look like, and i gotta suck in the playoffs when it matters. or durant for that matter. it would make anyone vomit to think about these people. the morris brothers? ew. remember the dwight howard van gundy press conference ****? what a lying little bitch, it's gross. who are the cool players? Ron Artest. MJ. Kevin Garnett. masculine people not these beta bitches. and even people that doesn't apply to, like steph curry, are just boring. wow the ball went in the basket, literally, like there's nothing else to say. what beautiful form. how braindead would you have to be to find that interesting?


I do not recall one single person that watched Basketball because of player personalities. First, in my specific case most people didn't speak enough English anyhow, second what did you even know about player personality in most cases? No players had social media or anything like that. So you watched them play, there was maybe an article written about top players and they got an interview, but you basically knew pretty much nothing about 90% of players outside of what was stated on their trading cards, what was written in some Basketball magazine and maybe if they seemed cool to play with in NBA Jam.

Why is Zion specifically likeable? MJ didn't come of as likeable, just as ultimate competitor. If something like the "Last dance" would have aired right away, most people would have thought he is a douche. Rodman was a weirdo and constantly in the press. Kobe was viewed as a diva by many and got a lot of negative press based on his charges. Roy Tarpley was banned for alcohol issues. The 3 Js in Dallas broke up over Toni Braxton. Nobody outside of Detroit liked the Bad Boy Pistons. Don't think I need to say anything about Karl Malone. Ron Artest said himself that he got drunk on Hennessy during half time breaks in a lot of games. Eddy Curry ate himself out of the league. The Phoenix Suns had a coke scandal that involved 13 people of their organisation, including 5 players in the late 80s. And so on and so on. The luck of past generations was that things were leaked less, the media wasn't as sensational and they couldn't rat out themselves as easy as today's players.

A lot of former players actually embarass themselves as total clowns today, now that they get more airtime, prime example is wannabe gangster KG, or the clowns on Gil's Arena.

And yeah, I started watching Basketball in the early 90s mostly because I found it cool to watch some guys throw a ball into a Basket, not because I thought "Oh wow, those seem to be some cool Alpha dudes. Who knows if I watch enough games, maybe one day I'll be as cool as them too."
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Post#178 » by lakerz12 » Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:14 pm

For example, 22 year old Jalen Johnson is sitting out with lower leg inflammation.

Lower leg inflammation?

We used to call that soreness.

He is 22 years old. This is what is making the league a joke to me.

Make the season 50 games.

Stop taking peoples’ time and money and not even putting the product on the floor.
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Post#179 » by bkkrh » Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:31 pm

lakerz12 wrote:For example, 22 year old Jalen Johnson is sitting out with lower leg inflammation.

Lower leg inflammation?

We used to call that soreness.

He is 22 years old. This is what is making the league a joke to me.

Make the season 50 games.

Stop taking peoples’ time and money and not even putting the product on the floor.


Here is a link to a 17 year analysis of injury reports from NBA teams starting in 1988. Inflammations rank as the 2nd most common reported injury with 21.8%.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3445097/

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Conclusion:

Professional athletes in the NBA experience a high rate of game-related injuries. Patellofemoral inflammation is the most significant problem in terms of days lost in competition, whereas ankle sprains are the most common injury. True ligamentous injuries of the knee were surprisingly rare. Importantly, player demographics were not correlated with injury rates. Further investigation is necessary regarding the consequences and sport-specific treatment of various injuries in NBA players.
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Post#180 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:46 pm

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Triple M wrote:The tv viewership is down but it doesn't seem like the social media engagement is down. People just dont have the attention span to watch 2.5 hours games. But the amount of clicks i see on X or tik tok and IG seems like therr is still a lot of engagement


If this was the issue, then I think we would be seeing drops in ratings even for football. An NFL game is 3 hours long and their ratings aren’t dropping. Thursday Night Football which is the worst product the NFL produces, is seeing all time high ratings so far this year for Amazon.


A football season has 16 games and every regular season game is meaningful in the sense that it impacts Playoff placings and participation and the season is a lot shorter, less teams make the playoffs while the league has more teams and playoff rounds only consists of one game. So you simply get a lot less chances to watch a specific team each season.


Again though, all of my friends used to be huge NBA fans. None of them even watch the playoffs or finals anymore. I used to get League Pass every year. I’m not just saying this, you can go back to my posts years ago talking about how I thought League Pass on Amazon was good and then I switched it to YouTube TV and thought it was even better. I don’t get League Pass anymore, I barely even watch anymore. And it’s the same amount of games it’s always been.

This argument would make sense if NBA kept adding games to the season and therefore the drop off of viewership came after that.

This idea that huge chunks of people (based off the big drop off in ratings) stopped watching because of illegal streaming or lack of scarcity, I highly doubt has much effect. I stopped watching because the game got boring to me. Even though for years I told my friends they needed to watch Jokic, they didn’t because they said it got boring.

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