Is Jamal Murray washed?

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Re: Is Jamal Murray washed? 

Post#161 » by dhsilv2 » Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:36 pm

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not really, because those looks were not randomly generated. they came from aggressive defense and ball movement, meaning the Nuggets as a team were playing and executing well (against the mighty Grizzlies).
when we talm about "unsustainable shooting" it's on jumpers, from 2 or from 3, that go in at percentages you can't expect to have consistently. That's often just statistical variance, not proof a superior execution.


So you think that group of players can keep getting 15 steals in a game and do that level of ball movement? The question is if it's sustainable.

that's a good game against an injured team.
yiu don't always have good game, you don't always play good defense, you don't always push the pace.
but that has a much bigger predictive value than a hot shooting night, but because that might be a template flr the non jokic minutes in the future.

otherwise you could dismiss literally any win by ant team.


I generally dismiss games that look like outliers. I don't go out of my way to breakdown all the aspects that were unusual. Though that's a good idea and i should.
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Re: Is Jamal Murray washed? 

Post#162 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:45 pm

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So you think that group of players can keep getting 15 steals in a game and do that level of ball movement? The question is if it's sustainable.

that's a good game against an injured team.
yiu don't always have good game, you don't always play good defense, you don't always push the pace.
but that has a much bigger predictive value than a hot shooting night, but because that might be a template flr the non jokic minutes in the future.

otherwise you could dismiss literally any win by ant team.


I generally dismiss games that look like outliers. I don't go out of my way to breakdown all the aspects that were unusual. Though that's a good idea and i should.

if it's the shooting they are easy to dismiss.
if it's something else it's trickier, the easiest issue is one tram just not putting the effort for whatever reason.

Still, it's too early in the season to dismiss outlier games unless you have a VERY good reason
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Re: Is Jamal Murray washed? 

Post#163 » by scrabbarista » Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:50 pm

I've always been a Murray defender, but over the last six+ months I've kept my mouth shut, because there's been nothing to defend.

Is he washed? My guess is no, but time will tell. Maybe he is.
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Re: Is Jamal Murray washed? 

Post#164 » by syrus3 » Fri Nov 22, 2024 5:11 pm

It’ll never happen but trade Murray for Edwards. A more realistic trade would be Murray for Barrett and Brown.
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Re: Is Jamal Murray washed? 

Post#165 » by Wallace_Wallace » Fri Nov 22, 2024 5:24 pm

syrus3 wrote:It’ll never happen but trade Murray for Edwards. A more realistic trade would be Murray for Barrett and Brown.


The second trade is way more realistic LOL.

I think a MPJ/Brandon Ingram can be a possibility. I don't believe Ingram wants to be playing second fiddle to Zion, but he may with Jokic. He's a better secondary ball handler and now if the Barrett trade went through, they have three players who can initiate offense as well as a deeper bench with Brown/Russ/Watson.
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Re: Is Jamal Murray washed? 

Post#166 » by nomansland » Fri Nov 22, 2024 5:41 pm

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syrus3 wrote:It’ll never happen but trade Murray for Edwards. A more realistic trade would be Murray for Barrett and Brown.


The second trade is way more realistic LOL.

I think a MPJ/Brandon Ingram can be a possibility. I don't believe Ingram wants to be playing second fiddle to Zion, but he may with Jokic. He's a better secondary ball handler and now if the Barrett trade went through, they have three players who can initiate offense as well as a deeper bench with Brown/Russ/Watson.


Trade Machine says that's an illegal trade.
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Re: Is Jamal Murray washed? 

Post#167 » by Sgt Major » Fri Nov 22, 2024 6:47 pm

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The Kings? Is this serious?
Bibby/Christie/Peja/Divac with Pollard, Jackson and Turkoglu off the bench?


I'll give you the depth piece, but Bibby/Christie/Peja/Divac is a huge disparity to Murray/Porter/Gordon/KCP (i know he's gone now)? I think it's pretty close.


WTF?????????? They couldn't be further apart. Divac is an elite defender, one of the 15 best passing bigs ever, and could score. Christie was one of the best wing defenders in the league, massively underrated there. Peja was a near MVP contender when Webber was out. And ok...Bibby was a quality starter...like MPJ.



Actually Peja was 4th in the 2003/04 MVP race.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2004.html
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Re: Is Jamal Murray washed? 

Post#168 » by dhsilv2 » Fri Nov 22, 2024 8:04 pm

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I'll give you the depth piece, but Bibby/Christie/Peja/Divac is a huge disparity to Murray/Porter/Gordon/KCP (i know he's gone now)? I think it's pretty close.


WTF?????????? They couldn't be further apart. Divac is an elite defender, one of the 15 best passing bigs ever, and could score. Christie was one of the best wing defenders in the league, massively underrated there. Peja was a near MVP contender when Webber was out. And ok...Bibby was a quality starter...like MPJ.



Actually Peja was 4th in the 2003/04 MVP race.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2004.html


Which would be near MVP contender....
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Re: Is Jamal Murray washed? 

Post#169 » by guynumber45 » Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:02 am

Jamal Murray today versus the Mavericks: 4/16 from the field

Murray overall this season: 18/4/6 on 39.7/33.8/85.0 splits (51.4% TS)
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Re: Is Jamal Murray washed? 

Post#170 » by Wolfgang630 » Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:04 am

guynumber45 wrote:Jamal Murray today versus the Mavericks: 4/16 from the field

Murray overall this season: Jamal Murray so far this season: 18/4/6 on 39.7/33.8/85.0 splits (51.4% TS)

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Re: Is Jamal Murray washed? 

Post#171 » by LeBronSpaghetti » Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:07 am

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Re: Is Jamal Murray washed? 

Post#172 » by Wolfgang630 » Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:08 am

LeBronSpaghetti wrote:Unplayable

The numbers he’s putting up lol. Yeah those are great numbers for a number 2 guy in the 90’s.
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Re: Is Jamal Murray washed? 

Post#173 » by TinmanZBoy » Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:10 am

at this point, a dennis schroder would be a huge upgrade over Murray...
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Re: Is Jamal Murray washed? 

Post#174 » by dc » Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:26 am

Sgt Major wrote:Actually Peja was 4th in the 2003/04 MVP race.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2004.html


Yeah that year was peak Peja. Had another good year the following season but fell off the next year at age 28 and got shipped to Indy for Artest. Was never quite the same.

I'm assuming he had some nagging injuries that gradually chipped away at his effectiveness.
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Re: Is Jamal Murray washed? 

Post#175 » by Wolfgang630 » Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:33 am

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Damn I wonder if he’s been feeling pressure and trying not to get depressed
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Re: Is Jamal Murray washed? 

Post#176 » by Potential » Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:50 am

He just isn't good when he isn't playing the Lakers. He'll have a superstar performance tomorrow
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Re: Is Jamal Murray washed? 

Post#177 » by BruttoNostra » Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:21 am

Wolfgang630 wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Damn I wonder if he’s been feeling pressure and trying not to get depressed

Props to Murray for acknowledging the issue and not being defensive about it like "what he did for city" or something.
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Re: Is Jamal Murray washed? 

Post#178 » by Sgt Major » Sat Nov 23, 2024 9:03 am

dhsilv2 wrote:
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WTF?????????? They couldn't be further apart. Divac is an elite defender, one of the 15 best passing bigs ever, and could score. Christie was one of the best wing defenders in the league, massively underrated there. Peja was a near MVP contender when Webber was out. And ok...Bibby was a quality starter...like MPJ.



Actually Peja was 4th in the 2003/04 MVP race.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2004.html


Which would be near MVP contender....



True, but no Jokic's teammate was ever top 30 in MVP voting, let alone that close.
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Re: Is Jamal Murray washed? 

Post#179 » by sisibilio » Sat Nov 23, 2024 9:32 am

syrus3 wrote:It’ll never happen but trade Murray for Edwards. A more realistic trade would be Murray for Barrett and Brown.

I don't think Nuggets are that interested in Kessler Edwards.
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Re: Is Jamal Murray washed? 

Post#180 » by p0peye » Sat Nov 23, 2024 10:30 am

It's one thing to get a star in FA when you have cap space - it is difficult in today's NBA. It's whole lot different paying a bench player superstar money getting your team above 1st apron. Unless Murray miraculously returns to his old playoff form, Nuggets are done as far as winning titles go.

Bob Myers said on ESPN what we all probably are thinking. Players like Jokić may come to franchise once in 30 years (or more) and if 1 title is all you have to show for it, you have failed at your job as GM.

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